So, Trump Killed Gander Mountain? Fascinating.

I bought my last "new" gun 6 years ago and Ill never buy a "new" gun again.

I have bought lots of "new to me" guns just not "new" guns in that time.

The firearms population is becoming much more "sophisticated" in its tastes and expectations.

A short time ago minute of beer can was the expected accuracy for a typical "accurate" gun. Gander Mountain sells plenty of minute of beer can guns usually at a high markup. Lots of new shooters would get their first new gun there.

But with education shooters begin to expect more accuracy and they can find it in well cared for used guns or in high dollar customs neither of which Gander Mountain really sells and if they did the prices would be unrealistic.

Gander Mountain sells a lot more than guns. Id say guns were a smaller fraction of their business. If I want made in China wool plaid shirts sure Gander Mountain may work. But I don't want made in China red and black pattern wool shirts. I want to buy one wool shirt that will last me twenty or more years. Ill go to Filson.
 
i can only speak about the one gander mountain i have ever been to. it was overpriced, shitty rifles, under educated people, i knew the store here couldnt have made it...
i was excited when it came and was flat assed confussed disapointed when i visited...some medium clearance sales right now, but i wouldnt buy any big ticket items from a store that is closing...
 
Retail chains better figure out what special purpose they serve and they better hurry or there will be mexican grocery stores taking over their defaulted leases and it will fuck more than just the retail market.
 
I have been told many times. "it is impossible for any ONE person to take down a business" . I think that fits. I stated last December we would start to see some bankruptcies in the market. Market is flooded. If you have a business and can't react to changes you will die.
Everyone in the shooting industry should have had a "what if" plan for the election?

I also don't frequent the LGS much, but was always interesting to here them talk about how Obama sucked, then 2 minutes later how big their pay checks were. It was like they couldn't see the correlation and that all bubbles burst.
 
Retail chains better figure out what special purpose they serve and they better hurry or there will be mexican grocery stores taking over their defaulted leases and it will fuck more than just the retail market.

The closest LGS to me is a sorry shit shack of attitude staffed with misinformed trolls. On the other hand, I'd love to see a Mexican grocery store around the corner.
 
Never been to one, never bought nothing from them. I can't believe the Cabela's they put in up in Lacey is still in business. Been twice, disappointed both times. Ridiculously under stocked with good shit, over priced out the ass, and staff that don't have a clue. Both times I've been there they were ghost towns. The only person that had half an inkling was the guy in the Archery Dept that restrung my Bow and added a few silencers/dampeners to it. Other than that, even the shitty food court was dismal and over priced for what ya got. Never again.......
 
Never been to one, never bought nothing from them. I can't believe the Cabela's they put in up in Lacey is still in business. Been twice, disappointed both times. Ridiculously under stocked with good shit, over priced out the ass, and staff that don't have a clue. Both times I've been there they were ghost towns. The only person that had half an inkling was the guy in the Archery Dept that restrung my Bow and added a few silencers/dampeners to it. Other than that, even the shitty food court was dismal and over priced for what ya got. Never again.......

Yeah, nothing like seeing some greasy, smelly, unibrowed trucker in line buying the Coke in his right hand and sticking his filthy left hand in the ribs on the buffet to steal a couple. I never got anything that wasn't sealed from Cabela's again.

On the other hand, Gander Mountain was actually pretty good to me over the years. i scored a S&W 25-5 for peanuts (I'd tell the story, but it's already out there under another nick elsewhere), and it's where I got my SIG P-6, with its perfectly dull, unbitched-up matte finish.
 
I've been to three different GMs with everything on clearance, their prices are still too high for the shit they sell or their products are still K-Mart grade shit. Firearms sales declining didn't kill Gander Mountain, corporate being unwilling to expand product lines and their pricing structure did.

I went to a place in Richmond a few months back, Green Top, the place puts Cabela's and Bass Pro to shame and was straight slamming with customers, probably the size of two typical Gander Mountains. Powder in stock, Bergers and SMKs, NF, Razor II, S&B in the cases (at MAP pricing), Pistols ranging from $200-$3000 in the cases, stocking dealer for most of the big name ARs, and that's just the shooting side. You could outfit anything from an Alaskan sheep hunt to a 3-Gun match, fly fishing for goldens to tarpon, camping in the back yard to ascending a 20k from that store. That's how you get customers, you serve as many customers as possible and you give them a fair price.
 
Gander has been on the ropes for years. Cabelas killed it. Pure and simple.

They were being marketed and, I think, acquired by Bass Pro Shops. Ultimately, there isn't room for that many sports/outdoors mega-retailers. And Gander didn't make the cut. Nothing to do with Trump. Simply economy of scale.

WalMart killed K-Mart... K-Mart Killed Ben Franklin.... Ben Franklin killed Mom and Pop. Now mom and pop are back in niches that WalMart can't handle. Business is tough. Makes Darwin look tame. Deal with it.

But for some, it's Blame Trump for everything.

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
WalMart killed K-Mart... K-Mart Killed Ben Franklin.... Ben Franklin killed Mom and Pop. Now mom and pop are back in niches that WalMart can't handle. Business is tough. Makes Darwin look tame. Deal with it.

One mystery remains.

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???
 
It is a buyers market, good time to be buying:
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Gander has been on the ropes for years. Cabelas killed it. Pure and simple.

They were being marketed and, I think, acquired by Bass Pro Shops. Ultimately, there isn't room for that many sports/outdoors mega-retailers. And Gander didn't make the cut. Nothing to do with Trump. Simply economy of scale.

WalMart killed K-Mart... K-Mart Killed Ben Franklin.... Ben Franklin killed Mom and Pop. Now mom and pop are back in niches that WalMart can't handle. Business is tough. Makes Darwin look tame. Deal with it.

But for some, it's Blame Trump for everything.

Cheers,
Sirhr

At one time about a year ago it was announced that Bass Pro was buying Cabelas but I think that deal fell through.

Gander Mountain was bought by Camping World/Overton's.
 
I've been to three different GMs with everything on clearance, their prices are still too high for the shit they sell or their products are still K-Mart grade shit. Firearms sales declining didn't kill Gander Mountain, corporate being unwilling to expand product lines and their pricing structure did.

I went to a place in Richmond a few months back, Green Top, the place puts Cabela's and Bass Pro to shame and was straight slamming with customers, probably the size of two typical Gander Mountains. Powder in stock, Bergers and SMKs, NF, Razor II, S&B in the cases (at MAP pricing), Pistols ranging from $200-$3000 in the cases, stocking dealer for most of the big name ARs, and that's just the shooting side. You could outfit anything from an Alaskan sheep hunt to a 3-Gun match, fly fishing for goldens to tarpon, camping in the back yard to ascending a 20k from that store. That's how you get customers, you serve as many customers as possible and you give them a fair price.

Green Top used to be a couple hundred yards from where they are now and where there and overflowing for decades. Gander Mountain came in and built the store where Green Top currently is. About a year after the Gander Mountain opened Bass Pro opened up <5 miles away. Gander immediately started trying to sell out to Green Top. Green Top hemmed and hawed about building a new store until Gander closed up and then took over their building, probably doubled or trippled their square footage.

I gave up on Gander when I went in looking for some of the old style 22lr crimped rat show, not CCI plastic cased. They looked at me like I was an alien. They only thing I bought there was a safe they had on Black Friday sale because they had layaway.
 
At one time about a year ago it was announced that Bass Pro was buying Cabelas but I think that deal fell through.

Gander Mountain was bought by Camping World/Overton's.

The end of that article says that the FTC approved the Bass Pro/Cabela's merger last week.
 
I've watched the LGS types commit suicide for years now.
Bass Pro, Cabelas, Gander ect.
It starts when they loose quality hunting gear in favor of in house examples.
Half assed offerings of the likes of "Read Head" gear.
The reloading sections are a insult to any experienced reloader. Unless you need some 30-30 brass.
I could go on but I think you get the idea.

R
 
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I have fond memory's of all the trapping supply's I bought from G/M from the 1960s to the mid 80's when family/kids/work got in the way. I ran a 20+ mile trap line on a mini bike after school an chores until I entered the service in 1964. Plus all my fishing/hunting stuff came threw the PO as well. We had LGS an L/Trapping/fishing stores but none could supply what GM could threw the mail. Regardless of why they went to shit, I will always have memory's of younger years of opening packages, spending all night getting the traps ready to set/lay the next day. Bought K's of rds of Remington cleanbore 22lr from them at 45-50 cents a box delivered that I used in a H&R revolver to dispatch muskrats, an every once in a while a mink(outstanding money there). Still have one box + the H&R Targeteer I got on my 10th BD in 1957. Say what you want about GM but back in the day they served/helped outdoor folks of all ages enjoy the Hunting/Fishing an Trapping sports. Some of that knowledge turned into life lessons. I seen the demise of GM years back and still rue the day college boys took over from the founders. They were typical college kids, had paper that simonized last week, they could not spell it this week they are one. Educated beyond their intelligence about the subject matter they were hired to improve upon.

http://www.company-histories.com/Gander-Mountain-Inc-Company-History.html

I will miss G/M so very much, but the one thing the college boys can not take or fuck up, are the fond memory's I will have of the company until I die.
Just the ramblings of a old man who was raised in NW Indiana when this country stood for something!
 
I've watched the LGS types commit suicide for years now.
Bass Pro, Cabelas, Gander ect.
It starts when they loose quality hunting gear in favor of in house examples.
Half assed offerings of the likes of "Read Head" gear.
The reloading sections are a insult to any experienced reloader. Unless you need some 30-30 brass.
I could go on but I think you get the idea.

R
Nailed it.

last time I was in a Cabelas I had the same experience at the reloading section. Prices were higher than a cats ass.
 
I've watched the LGS types commit suicide for years now.
Bass Pro, Cabelas, Gander ect.
It starts when they loose quality hunting gear in favor of in house examples.
Half assed offerings of the likes of "Read Head" gear.
The reloading sections are a insult to any experienced reloader. Unless you need some 30-30 brass.
I could go on but I think you get the idea.

R

+1

It's a low quality/low selection wasteland that serves the lowest common denominator in the shooting world.
 
I have fond memory's of all the trapping supply's I bought from G/M from the 1960s to the mid 80's when family/kids/work got in the way. I ran a 20+ mile trap line on a mini bike after school an chores until I entered the service in 1964. Plus all my fishing/hunting stuff came threw the PO as well. We had LGS an L/Trapping/fishing stores but none could supply what GM could threw the mail. Regardless of why they went to shit, I will always have memory's of younger years of opening packages, spending all night getting the traps ready to set/lay the next day. Bought K's of rds of Remington cleanbore 22lr from them at 45-50 cents a box delivered that I used in a H&R revolver to dispatch muskrats, an every once in a while a mink(outstanding money there). Still have one box + the H&R Targeteer I got on my 10th BD in 1957. Say what you want about GM but back in the day they served/helped outdoor folks of all ages enjoy the Hunting/Fishing an Trapping sports. Some of that knowledge turned into life lessons. I seen the demise of GM years back and still rue the day college boys took over from the founders. They were typical college kids, had paper that simonized last week, they could not spell it this week they are one. Educated beyond their intelligence about the subject matter they were hired to improve upon.

http://www.company-histories.com/Gan...y-History.html

I will miss G/M so very much, but the one thing the college boys can not take or fuck up, are the fond memory's I will have of the company until I die.
Just the ramblings of a old man who was raised in NW Indiana when this country stood for something!

I have one word for you NAFTA. Maybe two words the second being Internet.

I still wear clothes I bought twenty some odd years ago....an LL Bean flannel shirt - made in USA, GAP jeans, plain ones no skinny calf, stuff that will fit over a boot and has some room in the ass to hold a set of pliers in a pocket or let me expand and contract depending on how much pizza and ice cream I eat that week, made in USA.

Neither item and neither retailer sells item made in the USA now with minor exceptions.

With NAFTA we have a race to the bottom. Who can camouflage something to look useful and sell it cheapest even though the item is a blazing hunk of shit? Buying shit at pennies than selling it at 100% or 200% markup allows for false profit margins to pay for big expansion and to get your name nationwide. It's killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Gander Mountain stays local focusing on core customers they make small profit but remain viable. They go national, sell junk, they lose core customers but make up for it by selling to city dwellers that want to dress like Elmer Fudd.

Internet. In high school half the joy of buying was the wait. I remember saving money around 1984 or so to buy a Daiwa Magforce bait caster reel. It was $100 or so bucks back than, huge money. Not to mention the $100 or so Fenwick HMG carbon rod to go with it. Magnets and carbon I was high tech living in the Northeast where baitcasters were not the norm. I wanted to be Bill Dance or Roland Martin at my little lake catching bass. I did too.

Anyway half the fun was listening for the UPS truck the minute I MAILED off my order form and check to Bass Pro Shops. I used the order form included in the big ass catalog. I didn't go out after school for about a month, listening for the sound of the UPS truck.

I still have that rod/reel combo and it works great.

Recently my wife has bought some high dollar house items and I'm shocked how these things are valued by the seller.

One item is a concrete top coffee table. I sit in front of it now. It cost just under a grand. When it arrived it was noticed that when it was made over in Vietnam there was a void in the mold at the top corner and the manufacturer filled the hole with some sort of black tar and fish sauce. It's about a one inch by 1/2 inch mark right at the corner, pretty visible. The concrete is standard gray concrete color, why they didn't use more concrete for the patch instead of black tar perplexes me.

For that money my wife said screw it, I'll get a new one. They didn't have anymore, they wouldn't pick it up to return they told us to just donate it to Goodwill! They sent back her money. With the hassle of trying to dispose a 3'x3'x3" concrete slab on our end the black void no longer seems such an issue when the item cost nothing so it sits here with a plant and kids books on it.

The other example was some wall sconce she bought. It's a standard light but the shade is a paper thin veneer of birch wood that spirals over the light. It's natural wood, designed somewhere in Scandinavia probably made in Southeast Asia, everyone without a penis comments on how beautiful they are.

Anyway of the 4 bought one had the evidence of a knot showing on the side. No hole or anything, just a whorl from a small branch that had been on this tree before being cut into veneer. Kind of looked like the red spot on Jupiter but maybe 1/4 inch diameter.

Lamp is almost $500. My wife says she wants to return it for one without the whorl. They were an absolute pain to install so I'm like "It's wood, what did you expect? It's not a defect, it's supposed to be there". Anyway call to the seller, they say new one is in route, we ask for RMA to send the other back and they say "Just throw it away". $500 in the trash can, no, now it's a spare for when my kids smash a basketball against one and smash the veneer.

Our regulatory control and willingness to accept slave labor in other countries has resulted in a world of goods with absolutely no value.
 
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Sell to a valid market, succeed. Miss that valid market, fail.

There is no valid market that wants to pay inflated prices for average products. From what I've seen, the help is also rude, a few facts shy on product knowledge, and has a shaky understanding of legal requirements involving retail gun sales. After three attempts to find any firearm related I'd want to buy at their Tucson outlet, I couldn't. I have also heard complaints that they have turned away firearms purchases based on nonexistent gun laws. Some of those folks behind the counters, I suspect that if you looked in one of their ears, you'd see daylight shining through from the other side; if you can actually find someone behind their gun department counters.

Fail...

I buy my rifles from Dick's, and have done so twice in the past year.
 
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fuck all them big chains with jerk offs behind the counter. it's the gun worlds version of used car salesmen. I suggest one of the sponsors or members here. I like 3rd gen
 
Their prices are usually 10% higher than any other gun store around them... as well as their other gear. Their "Guide Series" flagship line was crap that they promoted and priced at a premium.
 
Ha! I shopped there last night for a bit. That was the first time in a very long time I've spent money in a GM. It wasn't too bad. I picked up about $1,000 worth of miscellaneous items for like $240. That's also the first time I left there w/ out feeling violated.
 
Technically, that's "Radio Star..."

And as a bit of trivia... that was THE first video played on MTV when it launched in.... sometime when I was in High School. Which did not matter to me, because noone in town had cable.

But it's a bit of history that probably matters to Vee-Jays... and Dire Straits.

Cheers,

Sirhr

(P.S. I Liked the Bluggles....)

 
Technically, that's "Radio Star..."

And as a bit of trivia... that was THE first video played on MTV when it launched in.... sometime when I was in High School. Which did not matter to me, because noone in town had cable.

But it's a bit of history that probably matters to Vee-Jays... and Dire Straits.

Cheers,

Sirhr

(P.S. I Liked the Bluggles....)

Well, hey, like, the Left never lets inaccuracies get in the way of a ripping narrative, bro'. Oh, wait, that didn't come out right.
 
I haven't been to one in two years, since I left southern Georgia. At the one in Jacksonville, I saw a used Gen 3 Glock with a sihtty adhesive grip; I forget what they're called. Asking $650, blew my mind. Their ammo prices were awful too. But that was when I was more interested in handguns than rifles.

Never been to one, never bought nothing from them. I can't believe the Cabela's they put in up in Lacey is still in business. Been twice, disappointed both times. Ridiculously under stocked with good shit, over priced out the ass, and staff that don't have a clue. Both times I've been there they were ghost towns. The only person that had half an inkling was the guy in the Archery Dept that restrung my Bow and added a few silencers/dampeners to it. Other than that, even the shitty food court was dismal and over priced for what ya got. Never again.......

I don't think the Laceys Cabelas is THAT bad. But, I've only been their twice. I always go straight to the gun library, but it's usually filled with stupid expensive wood shotguns, occasionally something nice, like a Sako TRG 22. But when the guy at the gun library never leaves his office, or the other one says he has no opinion on one rifle vs the other; he just wants to make a sale, that's a bit off putting. At least the prices at Cabelas aren't too bad. Usually.