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American bases on fire: US under general attack with Iranian ballistic missiles and drones in Syria & Iraq - Bombing F-15

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I just want to point out that, Gaza was given over to the Palestinians in 2005 I believe it was. Israelis moved out. They literally handed to them basically their own state. They could have done something with this and became part of a high functioning state of modern day society. But once handed over they more or less voted in Hamas and an extreme leader and every since 2005 have spent their time and resources launching rockets at Israel all the time instead of helping build themselves up. They tried the two state experiment. I’m not taking sides here but Israel owes them nothing and you can rest assured that if someone came into the US and pulled that crap we’d be pulling out all stops. That stretch of land could have one hell of a booming tourist economy if they so chose to. Instead they are being consumed by hate. I get it, the problems there are very complicated but everyone is guilty, they just have to figure out a way to let go of the past to be able to prosper and grow in the future. It’s as simple as that. Until they can let go and become normal citizens in modern society then this shit will never change. I don’t blame Israel one bit.
 
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SilentStalkr said:
I just want to point out that, Gaza was given over to the Palestinians in 2005 I believe it was. Israelis moved out. They literally handed to them basically their own state. They could have done something with this and became part of a high functioning state of modern day society. But once handed over they more or less voted in Hamas and an extreme leader and every since 2005 have spent their time and resources launching rockets at Israel all the time instead of helping build themselves up. They tried the two state experiment. I’m not taking sides here but Israel owes them nothing and you can rest assured that if someone came into the US and pulled that crap we’d be pulling out all stops. That stretch of land could have one hell of a booming tourist economy if they so chose to. Instead they are being consumed by hate. I get it, the problems there are very complicated but everyone is guilty, they just have to figure out a way to let go of the past to be able to prosper and grow in the future. It’s as simple as that. Until they can let go and become normal citizens in modern society then this shit will never change. I don’t blame Israel one bit.
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Agreed. I can't find a single logical excuse/reason that they have for basically turning themselves into a terrorist state.
Not saying we should get involved in that hornet's nest at all(quite the opposite)... Instead of trying to build a functioning society, infrastructure, etc.. as you said they've put a vast majority of their efforts toward throwing rock(et)s at Israel, while sustaining themselves with a bit more than the bare minimum..

But if they allowed themselves to thrive, they would lose their oppressed victim status.
 
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mcameron said:
Functionally worthless, no......inherently dishonest, yes.

Basically it sounds like the IDF fired on buildings....because Hamas terrorists were hiding in them.

And the IDF admitting they may have inadvertently fired on it's citizens in the mixup.


That is far and a way different than the article that claimed they were "targeting" Israeli citizens....especially when coupled with video that was from days later.
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Its from an Israeli news and they literaly have an interview with Apache pilots
https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/6361323ddea5a810/Article-02cfdbceafc4b81027.htm

While likely not intentional, the gunship is hardly a precision tool when dealing with the mass of people all in civilian clothing. some with guns all in civilian vehicles .
Let's just say it would be a miracle they haven't shot a shitload of own folk when sweeping the Hamas and Palestinian civilians , remember the gunfights they had the next day or two there were a number of them when Israelis were shooting at each other and inflicting multiple casualties

friendly fire is always the most accurate
 
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SilentStalkr said:
you can rest assured that if someone came into the US and pulled that crap we’d be pulling out all stops.
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Fact check result: False
Background: massive political corruption, stolen elections, money laundering, open borders, terrorists flowing into the US unchecked, indicates it's already happening with officials mostly just watching.
 
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SilentStalkr said:
I just want to point out that, Gaza was given over to the Palestinians in 2005 I believe it was. Israelis moved out. They literally handed to them basically their own state. They could have done something with this and became part of a high functioning state of modern day society. But once handed over they more or less voted in Hamas and an extreme leader.
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The actual story is that the USA decided as always to go meddling in affairs to try to make sure there was a puppet government put in place.
Funded brutal murder and torture of those not "our stooges" This caused outrage and led to the other factions teaming up, gearing up and deciding to take over. this then sparked a violent civil war for power. The USA then acted all surprised and butt hurt when the bastards we tried to make dictators were toppled.
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
Agreed. I can't find a single logical excuse/reason that they have for basically turning themselves into a terrorist state.
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Go look at the US involvement circa 2006-'07. Not saying this provides an excuse for Hamas' behavior, but there was an attempt to attack the deck in the favor of Fatah that directly resulted in today's state of affairs. Hamas in no way reflects a democratically- elected government, and even other Muslims find them to be complete assholes:

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Islamic group issues fatwa against Hamas for brutality - The Jewish Chronicle

Iraqi-based Islamic Fatwa Council say Gaza-based group's treatment of millions of Palestinians under its rule goes against the religion
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I absolutely will not support the idea that the general population of Gaza "has it coming". War is brutal and Israel has the right to protect its interests, but that's no reason to get a boner over the idea of dead kids.
 
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NoDopes said:
Fact check result: False
Background: massive political corruption, stolen elections, money laundering, open borders, terrorists flowing into the US unchecked, indicates it's already happening with officials mostly just watching.
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W54/XM-388 said:
The actual story is that the USA decided as always to go meddling in affairs to try to make sure there was a puppet government put in place.
Funded brutal murder and torture of those not "our stooges" This caused outrage and led to the other factions teaming up, gearing up and deciding to take over. this then sparked a violent civil war for power. The USA then acted all surprised and butt hurt when the bastards we tried to make dictators were toppled.
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E. Bryant said:
Go look at the US involvement circa 2006-'07. Not saying this provides an excuse for Hamas' behavior, but there was an attempt to attack the deck in the favor of Fatah that directly resulted in today's state of affairs. Hamas in no way reflects a democratically- elected government, and even other Muslims find them to be complete assholes:

www.thejc.com

Islamic group issues fatwa against Hamas for brutality - The Jewish Chronicle

Iraqi-based Islamic Fatwa Council say Gaza-based group's treatment of millions of Palestinians under its rule goes against the religion
www.thejc.com

I absolutely will not support the idea that the general population of Gaza "has it coming". War is brutal and Israel has the right to protect its interests, but that's no reason to get a boner over the idea of dead kids.
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None of you are wrong!
 
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The leftists and RINOs don't have a problem when the goatfuckers preach death to Christians and Jews but when this lady says something about getting rid of the walking turds, the mockingbird media and the goatfuckers are livid.

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Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican

Calls to censure Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many [dead Palestinians] will be enough?’
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lariat said:
If we break down what Israel is saying into plain English we see what is occurring: “The Palestinians are a threat to us, so we are going to clear out Gaza and hopefully the West Bank. We don’t want them here. Those Palestinians left alive are dangerous, unpredictable and largely uneducated Muslims. We are going to get rid of the threat and gain land by sending the threat to our allies to live, breed and cause problems. It’s not our problem then, it’s theirs now.”

If you think about it, since there would be Hamas sympathizers in this displaced group, Israel would be exporting terrorism just like Iran. It’s a dick move if you think about it in that light, but those governments that take them in are phenomenally stupid and equally responsible.

Things are starting trickle out about this conflict that let me know that if there was a white hat involved in this dust-up it was soiled long ago. I’m not 18 and no longer so gullible as to believe that either side is innocent, not just now but from the jump of this event.
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Forgetful Coyote said:
What a fckn mess this whole deal is
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37L1 said:
Yes, why can't we have neat little wars.
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Playing devil's advocate, knowing Israel would never do this because many reasons starting with PR/UN sanctions....but what if they instituted the ole' OT/Torah "Eye for an eye" from the start...just taken 1400 of their (Hamas) elderly, gang-raped their young women and then spit on their descreated bodies, beheaded their babies, and called it even instead of the supposedly 8K dead civilians now?

Would that make everyone happy/happier?

I do understand this is rhetorical. (No, or course not, because the Hamas mentality will continue to do this stuff, the purposes and reasons this was allowed is beyond Israel's borders, many Israel reserve soldiers who can't even fire upon their mortal enemy and probably couldn't hurt a fly, and Israel will find any reason to maximize any and all Gaza/terrorist attacks.)
 
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UKDslayer said:
Playing devil's advocate, knowing Israel would never do this because many reasons starting with PR/UN sanctions....but what if they instituted the ole' OT/Torah "Eye for an eye" from the start...just taken 1400 of their (Hamas) elderly, gang-raped their young women and then spit on their descreated bodies, beheaded their babies, and called it even instead of the supposedly 8K dead civilians now?

Would that make everyone happy/happier?

I do understand this is rhetorical. (No, or course not, because the Hamas mentality will continue to do this stuff, the purposes and reasons this was allowed is beyond Israel's borders, many Israel reserve soldiers who can't even fire upon their mortal enemy and probably couldn't hurt a fly, and Israel will find any reason to maximize any and all Gazza/terrorist attacks.)
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Everyone knows this would be terribly wrong - two wrongs don't make a right. If you go back and read one of my posts I said that this is pretty normal for humans in the past, and as humans we have within us the potential to continue this trend until the end of the world. However, I think there is a real difference between genocidal barbarism and mercy for the innocent. We do not live in the OT when this was common place for most civilizations. For the guilty I have no real issues on how they are dispatched; if you don't deal with them decisively they will continue - there has to be a response in order to shut it down and create respectful avoidance of future similar situations for those that follow behind them. The issue here becomes what do you do with those that were not a part of this evil but have been taught from birth to oppose you. This goes for both sides.

The reality is that mercy is not what either side desires - the leadership of both would wipe the other of the map if they could. This is the kind of conflict that is there at the moment. And I still say that exporting potential terrorists to other countries just to remove them from yours is a dick move and dangerous to those who have been your allies. It shows just how little Israel regards those who have been funding/supporting them this whole time. Why should other countries get protests and violence as a thank you from Israel?

All that being said, I do find it interesting that there are calls for war crimes against Israel, but not Hamas. Had Israel stuck with what you describe as equal punishment there would have been probably even bigger calls for war crimes against them. But Hamas gets away with it, because Muslims. Israel is in a tough spot, and some of it is of their own making, Same should be said of Hamas. And don think for a minute that the Palestinians are anything more than cannon fodder for others that oppose Israel to continue to whip up support for their anti-Israel agenda. If nobody wants to take you in or rescue you from that situation, there really is no other conclusion to be made.
 
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Dude I just wanna learn to make cut rifled barrels. And earn enough money to save up for a Sako TRG M10 and Kawi ZX-6R in peace.

Why can't the little Napoleons of the world just be happy with some poontang, a Sako M10(or AI), and a badass bike or car?


FWIW I do think the King of Jordan is a kindred spirit. Supposedly a big time shooter, and gets out there to train with various Special Operations Forces himself on the reg at that sweet training facility in Jordan.

en.wikipedia.org

King Abdullah II Special Operations Training Centre - Wikipedia

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@Mr.BR they running Sig MCX's? At least to my eye it looks like a MCX..
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
Dude I just wanna learn to make cut rifled barrels. And earn enough money to save up for a Sako TRG M10 and Kawi ZX-6R in peace.

Why can't the little Napoleons of the world just be happy with some poontang, a Sako M10(or AI), and a badass bike or car?


FWIW I do think the King of Jordan is a kindred spirit. Supposedly a big time shooter, and gets out there to train with various Special Operations Forces himself on the reg at that sweet training facility in Jordan.



@Mr.BR they running Sig MCX's?
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The "Souls" of those Old Warrior's keep coming back. No surprise to the guy's here.
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
Dude I just wanna learn to make cut rifled barrels. And earn enough money to save up for a Sako TRG M10 and Kawi ZX-6R in peace.

Why can't the little Napoleons of the world just be happy with some poontang, a Sako M10(or AI), and a badass bike or car?


FWIW I do think the King of Jordan is a kindred spirit. Supposedly a big time shooter, and gets out there to train with various Special Operations Forces himself on the reg at that sweet training facility in Jordan.

en.wikipedia.org

King Abdullah II Special Operations Training Centre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org



@Mr.BR they running Sig MCX's? At least to my eye it looks like a MCX..
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Go big, Ducati Panagali v4. The king of Jordan is no joke.
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
New slogan for the region…

“Push the rubble into the sea…”

Has a nice ring to it. Maybe create one of those Palm tree artificial islands like in Bahrain or Dubai and I can get a good deal on a beachfront cabana.

Seems like a good plan!

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If enough of those goatfuckers are eliminated, maybe some of them will wise up and decide to behave.
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
Probably not. They have been dominated many times over the centuries and they haven't changed
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And their worthless kids and grandkids will get persuaded that “we wuz Kangs” and start throwing rocks again.

“Refugee”’communities all over the world are the same. Parents who were the actual refugees are generally grateful and try to get along. Their kids and grandkids turn into little monsters, blaming their parents and The West for the fact that they have a nice house, a car, a seat in congress and didn’t get raped at 12 or murdered or their arms cut off. They think they would be living in Mogadishu sipping pina coladas nd tending their peace goats in some kind of Horn of Africa paradise.

They are delusional retards and “back home” would have been the first ones killed. If they didn’t die first from sepsis brought in by genital mutilation or being sold off as a wife at age 9.

There are no innocent Gazans. Elections have consequences. For almost 20 years these scum have supported “death to another people.”

Now time to pay the Piper. Not one brick should be left standing in Gaza. And everyone is a combatant.

Sirhr
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Snip…

There are no innocent Gazans. Elections have consequences. For almost 20 years these scum have supported “death to another people.”

Now time to pay the Piper. Not one brick should be left standing in Gaza. And everyone is a combatant.

Sirhr
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You repeated American/Israeli propaganda straight from the TV…….word for word. You are what you detest. Hamas and you are much alike.
 
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theLBC said:
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You know, maybe they should make them wear a symbol... you know. Like a yellow star. So that folks would know to protect them. Or we should perhaps help them move into temporary 'camps' or some other facility. To concentrate them in a place where they could be kept away from the folks who want to harm them.

It would be a really good 'solution' to help them in their hour of need.

Or maybe we should eject every fucking Hamas Supporter from the USA and Drop them in Gaza so that they can actually fight instead of just attacking innocent Americans on our streets. Let's, once again, start with the entire undergraduate populations of all the Ivy League and lefty schools. Wimmen, too. You love Hamas? You bitches go fight for them.

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lariat said:
If we break down what Israel is saying into plain English we see what is occurring: “The Palestinians are a threat to us, so we are going to clear out Gaza and hopefully the West Bank. We don’t want them here. Those Palestinians left alive are dangerous, unpredictable and largely uneducated Muslims. We are going to get rid of the threat and gain land by sending the threat to our allies to live, breed and cause problems. It’s not our problem then, it’s theirs now.”

If you think about it, since there would be Hamas sympathizers in this displaced group, Israel would be exporting terrorism just like Iran. It’s a dick move if you think about it in that light, but those governments that take them in are phenomenally stupid and equally responsible.

Things are starting trickle out about this conflict that let me know that if there was a white hat involved in this dust-up it was soiled long ago. I’m not 18 and no longer so gullible as to believe that either side is innocent, not just now but from the jump of this event.
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Maybe this is out of frustration that the West expects Israel to "coexist" with a death cult, that cannot possibly coexist with anything else. Maybe this is a "well if they're so peaceful, they you take them." Israel is between a rock and a hard place. If they fight back, meaningfully, they are ostracized by the World. If they keep their guns holstered, the Enemy foments chaos and kills them off, little by not so little. Today, Israel is in the process of annihilating a mortal enemy and it will succeed.. for a time. This story has been written completely to the end in the Holy Bible and it's both frightening and amazing to see it unfold, as it was written. The World will be against Israel for defending itself. Their will be a treaty of peace and then it will be broken. Just wait until Russia, Turkey and Iran attack Israel. We ain't seen nothing yet.
 
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Longshot231 said:
He mentioned the failing of Great Britain to protect her own borders and enforce her own laws. The same could be said of us.

One does not reason with a terrorist. They have to be killed.
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weird how people seem to forget the carpet bombing of cities in past wars...and not that long ago.
xiden bombed a car full of kids delivering water. claimed it was kabul bombers. what was the penalty?
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
Probably not. They have been dominated many times over the centuries and they haven't changed
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This!!

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Longshot231 said:
He mentioned the failing of Great Britain to protect her own borders and enforce her own laws. The same could be said of us.

One does not reason with a terrorist. They have to be killed.
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That reporter mentioned the people being responsible for their governments actions and not holding their governments accountable. And he is not wrong! There is a major lesson there and Americans by and large have let the government run free and not be accountable for anything for far too long. Our gov is guilty of fomenting this shit in a lot of ways not to mention all the BS we have let them do at home. It’s only gonna get worse until we rein it in, across the globe.
 
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NoDopes said:
Fact check result: False
Background: massive political corruption, stolen elections, money laundering, open borders, terrorists flowing into the US unchecked, indicates it's already happening with officials mostly just watching.
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No foreign outfit has come in and wholesale attacked us since 9/11 either. If they did there is no doubt in my mind that we’d retaliate and we’d tell everyone that tried to stop us to fuck off. I believe that, even with the potato admin in place because they know how they public would feel if they didn’t support it. Sure all the other shit has happened but there hasn’t been a planned attack where we lost thousands of countrymen since 9/11. I hope that there isn’t ever another one but rest assured that if there was, no matter who was in power at the time, I’d bet there would be action.
 
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theLBC said:
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totally agree that this is the best explanation of current events and why and how this is unique even by 20th century standards. sorry,but if anyone thinks that the jews are the only and last target for the fundamentalist muslims,then you are nieve beyond my understanding. if you don't recognize that even moderate islam is complicit,you are a fool. the goal of the invaders of europe,america et al as well as islam and china is the domination and/or destruction of western civ period. we don't need to go to war with islam or china but we need to have the excess strength to keep them at arms length and out of the western hemisphere. china should not be a problem if our elites in ed and biz weren't traitors. china is developing it's own problems. just hope xi doesn't start a war to stay in power like our elites are trying to do. islam can be isolated where it belongs. we stay out of there,buy their oil. but,don't let ANY muslim in the country for ANY reason other than diplomatic exchanges. africa is a big question but is probably gone for us. let china and russia fight over it. india is what it is and we need to stay square with it. we need to forget empire building and trying to shove our corrupt political,economic,religious shit on the rest of the world.
they won't survive but israelis need to sterilize gaza and the west bank. maybe that will show the world what the price of barbarity is even when they go down from it.
 
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theLBC said:
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That kind of looks like the police in England.
If this is England, I kind of have to say I'd be kind of enjoying the show when the "tolerant muslims" put some boots to the police because the police in England are truly evil oppressors. The police in England kick in doors and haul mothers off to jail for commenting online that being born with a penis makes you a man.

So yep, somebody has got to tear down that evil corrupt freedom hating society...
 
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mosin46 said:
totally agree that this is the best explanation of current events and why and how this is unique even by 20th century standards. sorry,but if anyone thinks that the jews are the only and last target for the fundamentalist muslims,then you are nieve beyond my understanding. if you don't recognize that even moderate islam is complicit,you are a fool. the goal of the invaders of europe,america et al as well as islam and china is the domination and/or destruction of western civ period. we don't need to go to war with islam or china but we need to have the excess strength to keep them at arms length and out of the western hemisphere. china should not be a problem if our elites in ed and biz weren't traitors. china is developing it's own problems. just hope xi doesn't start a war to stay in power like our elites are trying to do. islam can be isolated where it belongs. we stay out of there,buy their oil. but,don't let ANY muslim in the country for ANY reason other than diplomatic exchanges. africa is a big question but is probably gone for us. let china and russia fight over it. india is what it is and we need to stay square with it. we need to forget empire building and trying to shove our corrupt political,economic,religious shit on the rest of the world.
they won't survive but israelis need to sterilize gaza and the west bank. maybe that will show the world what the price of barbarity is even when they go down from it.
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Don't bother making up plans or solutions, it's pointless.

Just listen to what the Global Elites openly tell you is going to be done to you.

It's happening all around you and nobody seems to understand.

Don't think for a moment the Global Elites don't know how to deal with their own monster after the monster has done it's work.
Look no further than the display put on in San Francisco when the Chinese Communist leader wanted to visit, suddenly a lawless and chaos ridden city with crime everywhere was cleaned up overnight and made all nice and pretty and safe.
 
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