Israel has the right to do as they wish within their own borders. Palestine doesn’t want to co-exist with Israel. It’s not about the people that have displaced, it’s about not wanting anyone especially Jews on their sacred home land. From the river to the sea as they like to say. The entire region is Arab and Muslim dominated. Go move somewhere else. They have no divine or special right to that land. It’s been occupied by all sorts of groups and Jews have a more historical claim than the Palestinians do. It’s been time for them to move on.
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Israel has the right to do as they wish within their own borders. Palestine doesn’t want to co-exist with Israel. It’s not about the people that have displaced, it’s about not wanting anyone especially Jews on their sacred home land. From the river to the sea as they like to say. The entire region is Arab and Muslim dominated. Go move somewhere else. They have no divine or special right to that land. It’s been occupied by all sorts of groups and Jews have a more historical claim than the Palestinians do. It’s been time for them to move on.
No one has any special or divine right to the land, other than those families who still have keys to houses they were forced to leave in the 40/50s. And also the palestinians who are being forced out of the west bank TODAY by jewish settlers, of which the united states is on record as being blatantly against international law.
And by your same logic Native Americans should be coming into our homes in the United States and forcing us to leave since they have an obviously historical presence in North America.
Difference is Israel was founded after the WW2/Geneva Convention/UN, where "we all agreed" to not do colonial shit anymore.
It was the same then as it is now when some billionaire widow offers Trump 100mio$ to recognize the annexation of West Bank. Its very easy to give away something that is not yours to begin with , its something that has been done throughout history.
The interesting part is actually that Americans take Israel overlords dictating US domestic politics as natural, every politician and presidential candidate literally takes an equivalent of a casting couch where two Shlomos take turns fucking him up the ass to get all the Israel first conviction, only then can a
Very unusual indeed that no one is charged with treason or collusion . While underatandable that lie repeated long enough takes hold in people , but what action did Israel take to earn title top US ally? From what i can find it absolute one way street , that is costing US money and blood time and time again and there is zero of that the other way around . Fucking iliterate third world tribesmen in many corners of the globe fought side by side with US servicemen, Israel never ........
Agreed. The country is not an ally by any objective measure:
1.) They did not lift a fucking finger to help us during GWOT, outside of taunt us to go after Iran for all the obvious reasons;
2.) We have no formal military alliance or treaty with them, just "funding" documents for iron dome;
3.) They're 50th top trading partner.
4.) They have a stronger GDP/debt ratio than us, enjoy much more socialized/civilain based benefits than the average american, yet they take our 3-5bil each year, let alone the shit we've sent to them sinct OCT 2023.
5.) AIPAC is exempt from registering as foreign agents but are obviously intertwined heavily in the halls of power in the US
6.) They murdered US service members on USS Liberty back in the 60s, the ONLY TIME a US vessel was attacked and members died that was never congressionally investigated.
No. I think we conquered the land and it’s ours. If someone wants to come in and conquer this country then we are under their control/laws. We could very well cease to exist as a nation. I agree that no one has any divine right to any land. We still have to pay our taxes and if we don’t, the government can just take it away. The rules are set by the nation that controls the land. The Palestinians if they want peace has to do two things. Quit starting conflicts/wars and agree to a two state solution. So far they refuse to do either.
the question of IDF atrocities looks to be true,but hard to say in the current news mess. yes,the european jews were forced on the arabs. they couldn't beat them in 3 wars. so,terrorism was tried. the goal just to kill jews. the use of it to make a palestinian state is just bullshit. the koran encourages killing non muslims as well as lying to them,enslaving them etc. if israel sterilitizes gaza and the west bank,so what? our gov shouldn't be run by israel and we have no reason to send them billions in aid,as we have done for decades. sorta been our gurkhas over there. the whole mess is out of control and out of our ability to fix. just need to buy and ship our oil and move on. might need to sterilize yemen to get that done. we have fucked up everything we do,esp in mid east. we owe the jews nothing and for sure owe the arabs nothing. need to pump our own oil as we could do. maybe buy putin's?
Are you serious? Name me one place since the beginning of time that has kept a "divine right" to their property. Its ALL been fought over and died for. The winners take temporary ownership and that's that. The Palestinians have NO home country in Israel or anywhere else in the Middle East and NEVER have. Israel has the longest tie to the land and have certainly done the most to keep it and improve it. This WOKE "Free Palestine" bullshit is total rubbish. And study a little history! Do you have any idea who the Sioux, Cheyenne, Apache or Comanche "stole their land from? As bad as you want for European Americans to be the bad guys here, THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYS!
If you read any history on any of the offers made by israel during Oslo Accords, Camp David meetings, and beyond, israel never truly offered any path forward.
Everything had significant poison pills built in that no one of any real rationality would accept. The israel foreign minister at that time who was at Camp David, Shlomo Ben Ami, even admitted he would never have taken the deal offered at Camp David if he was a palestinian.
Under that logic then after WW2 after we conquered most of Europe, why didn't we just give Germany to the Jews in Germany?
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I think you read what i said earlier too quickly. I agree, no one has any devine or special right to a land, outside of those who were living on it before outsiders evicted them because the UK/UN "popped" the country into existence.
And scroll back further, i deeply dont give a fuck about israel or palestine, But i will point out the hypocrisy of positions taken by govs/leaders/individuals. .
I just want america the fuck out of the proxy war and to decouple ourselves from the sinking ship that is israel's government.
I have read them and by all intents and purposes Israel gave a more than fair offer.
At camp David, the Israelis offered Palestinians a reasonable compromise on pretty much everything - giving them the entire territory of Gaza and something like 90% of West Bank, limited right of return for Palestinian refugees, dismantlement of majority of Israeli settlements etc. - only to have Arafat refuse it all in the end because of the status of East Jerusalem. The problem is that Palestine doesn’t want to concede anything.
To understand the Palestinians you have to understand their mindset. Based on their current situation, their ideology hasn’t changed. They only desire the elimination of Israel and to kill every last Jew.
“Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion.”
- Haj Amin al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem
(Radio Berlin, March 1, 1944; quoted in Robert Wistrich, Muslim Anti-Semitism: A Clear and Present Danger [American Jewish Committee, 2002], p. 47)
“If the Jewish state becomes a fact, and this is realized by the Arab peoples, they will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea… Even if we are beaten now in Palestine, we will never submit. We will never accept the Jewish state... But for politics, the Egyptian army alone, or volunteers of the Muslim Brotherhood, could have destroyed the Jews.”
- Hassan al-Banna, Muslim Brotherhood founder
(New York Times, August 2, 1948)
“If the refugees return to Israel – Israel will cease to exist.”
- Gamal Abdel Nasser
(Zuercher Woche, West Germany, September 1, 1961; quoted in Harris O. Schoenberg, A Mandate for Terror: The United Nations and the PLO [Shapolsky Books, 1989], p. 239)
“We shall destroy Israel and those behind Israel.”
- General Tahar Zbiri, Algerian Chief of Staff
(New York Times, May 28, 1967)
“Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations… We shall not rest until the day when we return to our home, and until we destroy Israel.”
- Yasser Arafat
(El Mundo, Venezuela, February 11, 1980; The Times, UK, August 5, 1980)
“Without any doubt the PLO is entirely in agreement with the [Fatah] resolution… We wish at any price to liquidate the State of Israel.”
- Ibrahim Souss, PLO representative
(Europe No. 1 Radio, France, June 16, 1980; The Times, UK, August 5, 1980)
“The Prophet of Allah… says: ‘The Last Hour would not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them, and until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim or Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him…’” (Article 7); “They are behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions here and there which we have heard of and are hearing of. With wealth they formed secret organizations throughout the world to destroy societies and promote the Zionist cause; these organizations included the Freemasons, the Rotary and Lions clubs, and others... They are behind the First World War… They are behind the Second World War…” (Article 22); “the Zionist plan has no bounds, and after Palestine they wish to expand from the Nile River to the Euphrates… such is their plan in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” (Article 32).
- Hamas Covenant
(Gaza, August 18, 1988; reprinted in Journal of Palestine Studies, Summer 1993, pp. 122-34)
“It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth.”
- Hezbollah statement, issued under Islamic Jihad alias
(United Press International, March 24, 1992)
“If they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.”
- Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah leader
(Daily Star, Lebanon, October 23, 2002)
“Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, vanquish the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one.”
- Ahmad Bahr, Palestinian Legislative Council acting speaker
(Sudan TV, April 13, 2007)
“The Prophet of Allah has promised us that the Jews will gather in Palestine, and that the Muslims will fight them, and totally kill them.”
- Muhammad Nimr al-Zaghmout, head of the Palestinian Islamic Council in Lebanon
(Al-Kawthar TV, May 15, 2007)
“By Allah, we will not be satisfied even if all the Jews are killed.”
- Dr. Walid Al-Rashudi, Department of Islamic Studies, King Saud University, Saudi Arabia
(Al-Aqsa TV, February 29, 2008)
“The PLO... has not changed its platform even one iota... the Israeli ideology will collapse in its entirety, and we will begin to progress with our own ideology, Allah willing, and drive them out of all of Palestine.”
- Abbas Zaki, Palestinian Authority representative in Lebanon
(NBN TV, April 9, 2008)
Short history of the conflict:
Why did the Palestinians refuse the two state solution?
Answer (1 of 127): ORIGINALLY 1. Palestinian Arabs were mostly the indigenous inhabitants of the land, Israelis were almost all fresh immigrants, often illegal. For Palestinians to give up part of Palestine to Israelis was as for Spanish to give back Andalusia to Moroccan immigrants who’d want t...
well at least there is some agreement here. we need to be gone from the mid east AND EUROPE. as to who owns the land by right of ability to take it and keep it,couldn't agree more as that is how things always have worked. yea,there are no good guys in history,just winners and losers. BTW we are currently under serious attack thru both borders. this is the result of traitors in our midst for purposes of their own. the invaders goal is as always. ie to take control and enslave or exterminate the current owners. we are in serious existential danger. and,not just of losing our life style unique in human history. we are in danger of enslavement,eviction and extermination. our situation is rather unique in history. our demise is planned,implemented and supported by our own "leaders". enforced by their armed cohort. rome sort of same but by accident and stupidity then.
we got that too but the coming destruction is deliberate and planned.
we got that too but the coming destruction is deliberate and planned.
Sadly you are not wrong. I personally am an isolationist. We spend too much energy and resources (military, human lives lost, and money ) on foreign wars and issues that we have no reason to be involved. Personally, I don’t even care for Israel. I just believe they have a right to exist but I also don’t support us giving them money and military arms for free. They aren’t a great ally and they only serve their own interests. But the Muslims are worse, they wish to subjugate us all under Shari law. Reading the history of Islam and how it spread, you will understand their mindset. I support Israel’s right to defend themselves and if they want our weapons, they should have to pay for them like we do. I am tired of the U.S. and by extension the US citizens funding everyone else’s military when we get nothing in return.
i sort of emotionally believe that israel should wipe out gaza and the west bank. not very nice but the arab goal to wipe them out has been clear for long time. exc documentation,btw. we put them there and have done a lot to maintain them there. we need to be done with that. we can't afford it in $ and certainly not in blood. and the truth is that they only resemble us as a free country. israel is basically a theocratic dictatorship. lghter than saudi or iran but still. take a look at their handeling of covid. they are not really our soul mates.I have read them and by all intents and purposes Israel gave a more than fair offer.
At camp David, the Israelis offered Palestinians a reasonable compromise on pretty much everything - giving them the entire territory of Gaza and something like 90% of West Bank, limited right of return for Palestinian refugees, dismantlement of majority of Israeli settlements etc. - only to have Arafat refuse it all in the end because of the status of East Jerusalem. The problem is that Palestine doesn’t want to concede anything.
To understand the Palestinians you have to understand their mindset. Based on their current situation, their ideology hasn’t changed. They only desire the elimination of Israel and to kill every last Jew.
“Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion.”
- Haj Amin al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem
(Radio Berlin, March 1, 1944; quoted in Robert Wistrich, Muslim Anti-Semitism: A Clear and Present Danger [American Jewish Committee, 2002], p. 47)
“If the Jewish state becomes a fact, and this is realized by the Arab peoples, they will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea… Even if we are beaten now in Palestine, we will never submit. We will never accept the Jewish state... But for politics, the Egyptian army alone, or volunteers of the Muslim Brotherhood, could have destroyed the Jews.”
- Hassan al-Banna, Muslim Brotherhood founder
(New York Times, August 2, 1948)
“If the refugees return to Israel – Israel will cease to exist.”
- Gamal Abdel Nasser
(Zuercher Woche, West Germany, September 1, 1961; quoted in Harris O. Schoenberg, A Mandate for Terror: The United Nations and the PLO [Shapolsky Books, 1989], p. 239)
“We shall destroy Israel and those behind Israel.”
- General Tahar Zbiri, Algerian Chief of Staff
(New York Times, May 28, 1967)
“Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations… We shall not rest until the day when we return to our home, and until we destroy Israel.”
- Yasser Arafat
(El Mundo, Venezuela, February 11, 1980; The Times, UK, August 5, 1980)
“Without any doubt the PLO is entirely in agreement with the [Fatah] resolution… We wish at any price to liquidate the State of Israel.”
- Ibrahim Souss, PLO representative
(Europe No. 1 Radio, France, June 16, 1980; The Times, UK, August 5, 1980)
“The Prophet of Allah… says: ‘The Last Hour would not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them, and until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim or Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him…’” (Article 7); “They are behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions here and there which we have heard of and are hearing of. With wealth they formed secret organizations throughout the world to destroy societies and promote the Zionist cause; these organizations included the Freemasons, the Rotary and Lions clubs, and others... They are behind the First World War… They are behind the Second World War…” (Article 22); “the Zionist plan has no bounds, and after Palestine they wish to expand from the Nile River to the Euphrates… such is their plan in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” (Article 32).
- Hamas Covenant
(Gaza, August 18, 1988; reprinted in Journal of Palestine Studies, Summer 1993, pp. 122-34)
“It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth.”
- Hezbollah statement, issued under Islamic Jihad alias
(United Press International, March 24, 1992)
“If they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.”
- Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah leader
(Daily Star, Lebanon, October 23, 2002)
“Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, vanquish the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one.”
- Ahmad Bahr, Palestinian Legislative Council acting speaker
(Sudan TV, April 13, 2007)
“The Prophet of Allah has promised us that the Jews will gather in Palestine, and that the Muslims will fight them, and totally kill them.”
- Muhammad Nimr al-Zaghmout, head of the Palestinian Islamic Council in Lebanon
(Al-Kawthar TV, May 15, 2007)
“By Allah, we will not be satisfied even if all the Jews are killed.”
- Dr. Walid Al-Rashudi, Department of Islamic Studies, King Saud University, Saudi Arabia
(Al-Aqsa TV, February 29, 2008)
“The PLO... has not changed its platform even one iota... the Israeli ideology will collapse in its entirety, and we will begin to progress with our own ideology, Allah willing, and drive them out of all of Palestine.”
- Abbas Zaki, Palestinian Authority representative in Lebanon
(NBN TV, April 9, 2008)
Short history of the conflict:
Why did the Palestinians refuse the two state solution?
Answer (1 of 127): ORIGINALLY 1. Palestinian Arabs were mostly the indigenous inhabitants of the land, Israelis were almost all fresh immigrants, often illegal. For Palestinians to give up part of Palestine to Israelis was as for Spanish to give back Andalusia to Moroccan immigrants who’d want t...www.quora.com
original people were all semitic as far as i am aware. now all jews or muslims,same ethnicity,dif religions. which always leads to problems,usually mass murder and enslavement.
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If people can identify the houses and have keys to open up those houses they were evicted from, thats a start. Even moreso, show generational evidence that they lived there for years. Better start. Did all the original 700k palestinians that were kicked out meet all these criterion? By no means, i doubt it.
But im sure a big chunk did.
I have read them and by all intents and purposes Israel gave a more than fair offer.
At camp David, the Israelis offered Palestinians a reasonable compromise on pretty much everything - giving them the entire territory of Gaza and something like 90% of West Bank, limited right of return for Palestinian refugees, dismantlement of majority of Israeli settlements etc. - only to have Arafat refuse it all in the end because of the status of East Jerusalem. The problem is that Palestine doesn’t want to concede anything.
To understand the Palestinians you have to understand their mindset. Based on their current situation, their ideology hasn’t changed. They only desire the elimination of Israel and to kill every last Jew.
“Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion.”
- Haj Amin al-Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem
(Radio Berlin, March 1, 1944; quoted in Robert Wistrich, Muslim Anti-Semitism: A Clear and Present Danger [American Jewish Committee, 2002], p. 47)
“If the Jewish state becomes a fact, and this is realized by the Arab peoples, they will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea… Even if we are beaten now in Palestine, we will never submit. We will never accept the Jewish state... But for politics, the Egyptian army alone, or volunteers of the Muslim Brotherhood, could have destroyed the Jews.”
- Hassan al-Banna, Muslim Brotherhood founder
(New York Times, August 2, 1948)
“If the refugees return to Israel – Israel will cease to exist.”
- Gamal Abdel Nasser
(Zuercher Woche, West Germany, September 1, 1961; quoted in Harris O. Schoenberg, A Mandate for Terror: The United Nations and the PLO [Shapolsky Books, 1989], p. 239)
“We shall destroy Israel and those behind Israel.”
- General Tahar Zbiri, Algerian Chief of Staff
(New York Times, May 28, 1967)
“Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations… We shall not rest until the day when we return to our home, and until we destroy Israel.”
- Yasser Arafat
(El Mundo, Venezuela, February 11, 1980; The Times, UK, August 5, 1980)
“Without any doubt the PLO is entirely in agreement with the [Fatah] resolution… We wish at any price to liquidate the State of Israel.”
- Ibrahim Souss, PLO representative
(Europe No. 1 Radio, France, June 16, 1980; The Times, UK, August 5, 1980)
“The Prophet of Allah… says: ‘The Last Hour would not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them, and until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim or Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him…’” (Article 7); “They are behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions here and there which we have heard of and are hearing of. With wealth they formed secret organizations throughout the world to destroy societies and promote the Zionist cause; these organizations included the Freemasons, the Rotary and Lions clubs, and others... They are behind the First World War… They are behind the Second World War…” (Article 22); “the Zionist plan has no bounds, and after Palestine they wish to expand from the Nile River to the Euphrates… such is their plan in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” (Article 32).
- Hamas Covenant
(Gaza, August 18, 1988; reprinted in Journal of Palestine Studies, Summer 1993, pp. 122-34)
“It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth.”
- Hezbollah statement, issued under Islamic Jihad alias
(United Press International, March 24, 1992)
“If they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.”
- Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah leader
(Daily Star, Lebanon, October 23, 2002)
“Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, vanquish the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one.”
- Ahmad Bahr, Palestinian Legislative Council acting speaker
(Sudan TV, April 13, 2007)
“The Prophet of Allah has promised us that the Jews will gather in Palestine, and that the Muslims will fight them, and totally kill them.”
- Muhammad Nimr al-Zaghmout, head of the Palestinian Islamic Council in Lebanon
(Al-Kawthar TV, May 15, 2007)
“By Allah, we will not be satisfied even if all the Jews are killed.”
- Dr. Walid Al-Rashudi, Department of Islamic Studies, King Saud University, Saudi Arabia
(Al-Aqsa TV, February 29, 2008)
“The PLO... has not changed its platform even one iota... the Israeli ideology will collapse in its entirety, and we will begin to progress with our own ideology, Allah willing, and drive them out of all of Palestine.”
- Abbas Zaki, Palestinian Authority representative in Lebanon
(NBN TV, April 9, 2008)
Short history of the conflict:
Why did the Palestinians refuse the two state solution?
Answer (1 of 127): ORIGINALLY 1. Palestinian Arabs were mostly the indigenous inhabitants of the land, Israelis were almost all fresh immigrants, often illegal. For Palestinians to give up part of Palestine to Israelis was as for Spanish to give back Andalusia to Moroccan immigrants who’d want t...
I see all those quotes, and I'll raise you all the quotes captured by the current Israel government documented by South Africa's team. Sounds...pretty similar, just reverse the teams.
By no means am I an islamic or muslim apologist, hamas is definitely the strongest gang/terrorist group in Gaza. But you can literally find the direct quotes from the Foreign minister saying the deal was poisoned at camp david.
And you can even see that same behavior materialize in this week's "peace deal/ceasefire" whatever they called it. The fine print is there, and its majority in israel's favor.
Thanks for clarifying.
I thought you meant original people as in original inhabitants which, I’m pretty sure, were the Jews.
And that’s part of the problem. The Palestinians (and really, can’t we just call them Arabs? Calling them Palestinian is like calling me and my family Pacific Northwesterner) were simply the most recent inhabitants when the UK punished them for fighting for the Axis.
There has never been a Palestinian state.
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The Biden deal is a joke. It leaves Hamas in power, and it doesn’t release all the prisoners. Just some and in exchange Israel must release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. The thing is that I seriously doubt many of the prisoners are still alive. I would want proof of life of every prisoner taken on October 7 and anything less than every single one alive that is remaining is a no go. And the ones responsible for the atrocities are left in power? How is any of that in Israel’s favor. The Camp David accords are what they are and they were rejected. The history has been written and the terms were generous especially since the Palestinians are in a position of weakness. They have received hundreds of millions of dollars in assistance only to use that money to build missiles to shoot into Israel and make Hamas’ leaders rich. Palestine wants Israel gone and has zero interest in leaving Israel alone. Every ceasefire has been broken by Palestine. The original Charter of Hamas is the total destruction of Israel. That in itself is a non starter and if the entire history is to be believed, then they have shown that they mean it. Who cares if they have been displaced honestly. I would have sympathy for them if they didn’t use suicide bombers, hijack airplanes or commit other acts of terror throughout their history. They can literally go pound sound for all I care. They would be better off to just move on. You can read about the Sheikh Jarrah controversy here and in all honesty I don’t care because Israel has repeatedly won and despite winning gave Palestinians concessions that weren’t warranted.
Sheikh Jarrah controversy - Wikipedia
The whole point of it isn't to solve anything.
It's to be able to say "hey look, we proposed a solution and the republicans/israel/putin/otherguys shot it down".
"We're ready to work for you and solve all the problems but the other guys won't let us."
No rationale person would have accepted Israel's offer at Camp David. The offers were NEVER put into writing, only oral discussions. And the land swaps suggested by Israel represented below. Would you accept this if your family lived on the land back in the 40s?
Then they can die trying to take it all back and that's what's happening.
So when are they going to stop? If the answer is never, then get out of the way and let their choice be their consequence.
BS, that isn't your only concern.
Oh, the poor Palestinians.
Why not ask yourself why none of their Arab brothers want them in their countries?
There is some history there. . .
Scroll back to my original/first post a few pages back on this topic. It literally is. I will point on fuckery of historical aspects of conflict however.
To your question, my guess the other countries dont want them in is because they are shit hole countries themselves and dont have the infrastructure to support millions of people overnight that would influx.
Your guess would be wrong.
Go internet search why Jordan and Egypt doesn't want them/kicked them out.
You consider yourself smart, prove it.
that isn't entirely true.
muslim countries have been keeping many pals in refugee camps for decades, and while they do feed them, they don't allow them to integrate into their countries.
So you saying the shit hole third world countries surrounding these areas have the ability to onboard and integrate millions of refugees overnight currently?
Does that disagree with what I said?
I also imagine if im a neighboring country watching Gaza get literally razed down to its last structure, I know I am not taking in refugees, i'd be taking in new citizens, as they will not be returning ever given there is nothing to come back to.
Lol, and Israel does? Especially since they want to genocide the Jews. Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq (the original '67 attackers) could easily absorb the Pali Tangos, but they hate them, because they're fanatic scum, and those countries will shoot them at the border before letting them in, and everyone there knows this. Lebanon let them in. It was called "The Paris of the Middle East" before that. Now it is as wretched as Gaza BECAUSE of the "Palistinians". No one wants them because they fucking suck. Iran is the only country who will treat with them, because like in Iran, they've been indoctrinated into generations of genocidal hatred. All your comments and opinions conveniently ignore the salient facts on the ground. They are taught this hatred from birth, and it continues throughout their education and is embeded in their culture. It is very similar to how the Nazis indoctrinated their children, only it's been going on for ten times longer. The culture is as sick as there has ever been on planet earth. Even now, given the horrors their own leaders have unleashed upon them, they can't change or even admit reality.
You can either deNazify the Arabs as we did with the occupation of Germany, or you can exterminate them as they would do to the Jews. Those are your choices. The Jews are soft and don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done. They will try to deNazify them, and will probably fail...but we'll see.
You know exactly what you are. Your posts drip with imputation. Israel is only "special" to people who believe the Islamists bullshit, and interpret history through thick and cloudy lenses.
You must spend a lot of time in the Jewish community and must be friends with a lot of Jews. How many times have to been to Israel? You must go all the time. You seem to fancy yourself an expert, so you must have been there quite a few times, right? What's your favorite city?
You can either deNazify the Arabs as we did with the occupation of Germany, or you can exterminate them as they would do to the Jews. Those are your choices. The Jews are soft and don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done. They will try to deNazify them, and will probably fail...but we'll see.
You know exactly what you are. Your posts drip with imputation. Israel is only "special" to people who believe the Islamists bullshit, and interpret history through thick and cloudy lenses.
You must spend a lot of time in the Jewish community and must be friends with a lot of Jews. How many times have to been to Israel? You must go all the time. You seem to fancy yourself an expert, so you must have been there quite a few times, right? What's your favorite city?
i'm not really trying to disagree, just saying the reason in cultural and not economic.
other muslims know that "palestinians" are useless miscreants that cause trouble anywhere they are let loose.
I assume your comments are directed towards me. You seem quite angry, and those quotes read very similar to the current Israeli's gov leaders, so I think I understand their meaning. But you are reading way to much into my comments.
To answer your questions:
1.) Zero times
2.) Never been
3.) Reykjavík, Iceland is my favorite city to visit.
But I do like history and read a lot. Just finished Assault on the Liberty Ennes et al. Fascinating read written by one of the surviving USN officers that was on the ship.
I doubt its an either or answer, and more likely a combination of both. Like I said, its a guess, but one easily inferred given the economic capabilities, or lack thereof, of those countries to absorb anything that large.
You are either lazy, not too bright, or disingenuous or all of the above.
Here's some light reading for you:
Black September - Wikipedia
and that's just for starters.
3rd world country literally has handlers for the prostitutes Politicians
You are either lazy, not too bright, or disingenuous or all of the above.
Here's some light reading for you:
Black September - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
and that's just for starters.
I wouldn't deny that everyone in that side of the world hates each other for (insert millions of reasons here).
But today, in this world's economy and state of affairs, are you denying that any country in that immediate region, in their current state would be able to absorb 2+ million people overnight?
Are you denying that the Palestinians have brought nothing but bad news to every place they've gone and that's why none of their neighboring "brothers" want anything to do with them?
They seem to be getting what they have asked for.
Death and destruction, who wants to die? Hamas, and they are taking everyone in their "country" with them. Their strategy is to draw this conflict out as long as possible and get the destruction they have wrought to shift opinions to their cause. That's why they operate in the areas that they do to maximize "civilian" casualties, just like their initial assault in October. They are despicable.
It seems to have worked with the gullible some, . . . like you.
I'd invite you to to realize just because I critique one side doesn't mean I agree with the other.
With your first question, Not at all denying that sentiment. with a slight modification that hamas, who has dominated their ranks as the toughest street gang/quasi gov entity of their region, has invited mass fuckery with their terrorism.
But where we may disagree, or not, I am not sure, I dont believe all palestinians are guilty nor are all of them terrorists, nor deserve the treatment they are getting, from either side (their 'gov' hamas, or isarel). There are innocent people: muslims, christians, atheists, alike in that strip of land that are getting evaporated.
But i'd also agree with your sentiment of drawing out the destruction and war, and add that both sides benefit from extended war, not to exclude Bibi.
I answered your questions, now answer mine.
Not all but the majority of Palestinians support Hamas. And by judging from the jubilant celebrations post October 7 with the bodies of innocent Israelis being paraded around the streets as some sort of trophy, I would say what is being carried out is justified.
Right, so because not ALL Germans were Nazis and not all Japanese were emperor worshiping fanatics we shouldn’t have utterly destroyed them. What kind of weak, woke shit is that thinking? Is that a fucking joke?
Something like 70% of Palis support Hamas STILL!!! Only a woman would believe we should have never ending terrorism and perpetual warfare because 30% of their society is not satanic. Wake the fuck up. They are an evil society weaned on hatred and violence. I find NOTHING redeeming or in them, and neither do any of the Arabs around Israel.
Pretending to be deep thinking and ever so concerned for the welfare of the “Palestinians” is why this conflict has gone on our entire lives. Now is the chance to end it, and Israel must end it. If I was a the dictator of Israel I would wipe them out Old Testament style. They won’t, but that’s what ought to be done.
They can't.
Even if Israel managed to kill every one of them in the sandbox too many have already fled to sanctuaries in other countries where they will breed and spread like metastatic cancer under the protection of sympathizers.
i think there was ~750k officially (everywhere) in the 50s, and now there are 2.4 million in jordan, and another million split between syria and lebanon.
that doesn't count the ones inside israel or other places like here and in europe.
imho, the evil unrwa has been keeping them in camps for decades instead of trying to resettle them so they can keep getting the funding.
that doesn't count the ones inside israel or other places like here and in europe.
imho, the evil unrwa has been keeping them in camps for decades instead of trying to resettle them so they can keep getting the funding.
No one local country has to take them all. How many Arab countries are there? Divide them up. It could and should be done if they really were all about "Oh, the humanity." They really don't give a shit about the Palestinians, other than for political reasons to bash Israel.
They won't do it, not because of economic reasons. They won't do it because the Palestinians are a PIA to everyone they have lived among and the Arabs like it that they are a thorn in Israel's side, at the moment. They don't want them to be a thorn in theirs.
Ask the Kuwaitis about the Palestinians.
4 hostages rescued today, including Noa Argamani, the panicked woman you saw kidnapped by motorbike from the music festival.
One Israeli officer killed. Dozens of Palestinians killed
www.dailymail.co.uk
One Israeli officer killed. Dozens of Palestinians killed
Dramatic moment Israeli squad leads freed hostages into helicopter
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have confirmed Noa Argamani, 26, Almog Meir Jan, 21, Andrey Kozlov, 27, and Shlomi Ziv, 40, were rescued following the daring operation earlier today.
Not my culture. In my culture hostages are considered dead immediately, and no quarter is given the enemy on their behalf.
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