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All great mounting options, but are we splitting hairs here with which mount provides the better experience? I've been using Spuhr for a few years now, but those A419 videos are really well done.
Everyone trying to cash in on slumping sales across the board. Inflation is killing alot of discretionary and luxury purchasing. .
Ask yourself what ecosystem you want to be tied to. Spuhr is mature, has a ton of mounting options and is proven. The only downside is their fastners tend to be weak and they redesigned the clamping bar to prevent failure. Then again if you need a sacrificial part, better to be a replaceable fastner than the actual mount itself. Its not like you can go wrong with any of these option (well some are more failure prone than others) but they will all work for the most part.
Ditto. Slowing getting rid of my Spuhrs and replacing them with Andys mounts.Got Hawkins mount too. It’s pretty nice also.
I've had Spuhrs, Vortex, ARCs and a few others. I ended up settling on Hawkins for the most part. I'm going to try the new Grey Ops just because I needed a mount for a Mk5 and they had 35mm 1.5" tall mounts in stock.
Andy's mounts are hard to beat for their toughness and simplicity.
I’m going to start phasing out spuhr for A419.Ditto. Slowing getting rid of my Spuhrs and replacing them with Andys mounts.
I've had Spuhrs, Vortex, ARCs and a few others. I ended up settling on Hawkins for the most part. I'm going to try the new Grey Ops just because I needed a mount for a Mk5 and they had 35mm 1.5" tall mounts in stock.
Andy's mounts are hard to beat for their toughness and simplicity.
Ditto. Slowing getting rid of my Spuhrs and replacing them with Andys mounts.
No, I had forgotten that MDT makes a pretty solid mount as wellAre these the MDT mounts? They looked good, but I'll need one in 36mm, which they don't offer.
Their Mbrace mounts are probally the weakest modern mount out there. Have yet to see old school M10rings or M10 mounts fail, but i have seen mbrace mount crack in half on a stage. There is a reason they are the cheapest option. I am an ARC rings fan too, so take it for what its worth.+1 for ARC mounts. The ring clamping design is still the best user experience in my opinion, and they're the cheapest option (sometimes by a very large margin). They do give up some ground on attachment options, so if you're bolting lots of stuff on there it's probably not the droid you're looking for; other than that, I think they're excellent.
Haven’t seen anything here about Mbrace mounts breaking. First I’ve heard of thatTheir Mbrace mounts are probally the weakest modern mount out there. Have yet to see old school M10rings or M10 mounts fail, but i have seen mbrace mount crack in half on a stage. There is a reason they are the cheapest option. I am an ARC rings fan too, so take it for what its worth.
A couple guys up here have had theirs snap at the pivot point. ARC worked with them and replaced them if I'm not mistaken.Haven’t seen anything here about Mbrace mounts breaking. First I’ve heard of that
Or gave them their money back, which is stand up move by ARC, but doesn't change the fact the mount is failure prone.A couple guys up here have had theirs snap at the pivot point. ARC worked with them and replaced them if I'm not mistaken.
A couple guys up here have had theirs snap at the pivot point. ARC worked with them and replaced them if I'm not mistaken.
Or gave them their money back, which is stand up move by ARC, but doesn't change the fact the mount is failure prone.
I had forgotten about the audere mounts
It’s ‘cause ur a BEAST brosephNot shitting on spuhr since I own one. But it’s also the only mount I own to ever break from normal weekend shooting. (Clamping bar failure with proper torque specs)
No it was the fingers that hold the pin. They sheared off.Duly noted, good to know! So it was the pin that sheared?
No it was the fingers that hold the pin. They sheared off.
Yeah, that slide-y little pin is my one critique of those rings. Quite a few times I’ve gotten everything just perfect and start tightening and…fuck!…untighten…push pins flush…bump scope…curse more…etcI’ve broken one at this point. It was 100% user error, not the mount. In my case, I didn’t realize the pin partially backed out when there was no torque on the top clamping screw. When I torqued the top clamping screw it caused the hinge to be forcefully misaligned and the aluminum cracked. I suspect failures in this point are user error not a factory defect. This is why, now, there is a very clear warning in the instructions to check that the steel pin is centered in the mount before torquing the top clamping screw. I’m man enough to admit I screwed up and I paid them for a replacement top when I could have lied about it to get a free piece.
Availability for Badger ecosystem is ass though. I run all C1 mounts now, but getting the top rings, adapters, etc. can be really frustrating in addition to some of the mounts disappearing from the market for 6 months at a time or longer.The nice part about Badger Ordnance mounts are 100% materials sourced in the US and manufactured and assembled with US labor.
Also customer service which allows you to speak to the Owner and designer of the product you purchase.
Marty and his crew are Awesome!
Pretty sure I have an mpa mount in 36mm that I had up for sale but I don't think it sold. Its a lot like the mdt stuff, which i too love their elite rings. It's 1.25 or so tall.Are these the MDT mounts? They looked good, but I'll need one in 36mm, which they don't offer.
If you broke 5 spuhr mounts by taking them out of the safe....well there is a common denominator here.
Yup. I'm very happy with my zco mounts. I've had most of the go to mounts and I liked the ARC mbrace a lot but man it's just so bulky and heavy. The zco mount does everything I want and does it well and is perfect imoThe MPA mount and ZCO block seem to be very well thought out from a design perspective.
that's because most people don't like sperm dripping all over their rifleHas anyone had any experience with the Griffin mount? Looks like a good design, but I've never seen one in the wild.
After the match this weekend, Add 2 more Mbrace Failures. Guy broke one that was a replacement for one that already broke. Not even the same guy I was talking about before. We were squaded up talking about it.Funny how a few posts up you call the ARC mounts "failure prone" and "probably the weakest modern mount out there" after seeing 2 failures, but when I have 5 spuhr clamp bars fail you immediately blame the user and don't question the design of the mount. Maybe the users of the broken ARC mounts you saw messed up during installation?
I will say my 45% spuhr failure rate is rather eye opening and hints at user error, but then again I often have shit luck.
That being said, the common denominator of my 5x spuhr clamp bar failures is bad design or material, or likely a combination of both IMO.
I never lubricated the threads in the spuhr mounts which would increase bolt stretch and clamp load far beyond the provided dry thread torque specs at the same final torque value, and I use an expensive Mountz torque driver that I check around 4 times a year in the NIST traceable calibration lab at work. Thus I can confidently rule out improper installation technique (i.e. lubricating the threads and tightening them to dry thread torque specs without reducing the final torque value appropriately) or using an out of spec torque driver that severely overtightened the hardware as possible reasons for the failures. That leaves the mount itself or an out of spec picatinny rail as the cause, and with 5 failures across multiple rifles with multiple brands of picatinny rails I'm going to say it's probably the mounts.
I will say all the clamp bars that cracked on me were the earlier thinner design, but I've seen several pictures of the updated thicker design clamp bars cracked too. The clamp bars remain a somewhat common failure point of the spuhr mounts.
One thing to note that I wish other manufacturers would do... ARC provides lubricated thread torque specs, so if you install the bolts dry you end up with lower stretch/stress in the joint, which might mean your scope slips under recoil. That's much better than the opposite situation which is tightening lubricated hardware to dry thread torque specs, which can result in excess stress/stretch, a dented scope tube, stripped threads, broken bolts, etc.
After the match this weekend, Add 2 more Mbrace Failures. Guy broke one that was a replacement for one that already broke. Not even the same guy I was talking about before. We were squaded up talking about it.
What sucks is, when they snap, its not always apparent. You will start having elevation issues and not be able to figure out it. When you look closer or disassemble the mount, you will see it.
He was going to get it warranted and replaced, Told him to call ARC and demand a refund. They really need to test their shit before they sell it, like their Mags that most people refuse to run (or you have to drop another $80 into each mag plus run dry graphite on inside, and clean after every other match to keep running).
Still havent broken a spuhr, old or new style. Just ordered another one from @MOUNTIC. They just work.
Tactical cap with Spuhr accessory mount interface is available too.Not as mainstream, but an amazing mount, is the Near manufacturing Alphamount.
Machining is work-of-art level, made with a proprietary titanium alloy so not too heavy, and available in all ring sizes up to 36mm and a bunch of different heights. His website hasn’t been updated in forever but he always answers emails and phone calls.
Personally I don't have any need for a QD scope mount.Opinions on ERA one piece mounts with their newer style QR Levers?