How does the glass on the SS compare to the MK4? I currently run a mk4 6.5-20x mildot. I like what the SS has to offer as far as turrets, ffp and mil/mil. Deffinetly considering switching since I hate the leupold mildot reticle and the non matching turrets to reticle. I haven't played with the SS yet. For those who have experienced both, does the SS beat out the mk4 as far as glass, quality and features?
Rifle Scopes SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
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Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
What kind of Mark 4 do you have? Is it the one with m1 or m5 turrets?
Leupold Glass quality seems to be very inconsistent sometimes it is really wow.. Other times it is just ok. From what I have read around on here it seems to be on par if not better than Mark 4 glass.
The SS has more elevation adjustment, FFP, Illuminated, better power ratio, 10 mil per rev turrets, better reticle...etc
I think the SS would be a considerable upgrade to what you have in all respects.
What kind of Mark 4 do you have? Is it the one with m1 or m5 turrets?
Leupold Glass quality seems to be very inconsistent sometimes it is really wow.. Other times it is just ok. From what I have read around on here it seems to be on par if not better than Mark 4 glass.
The SS has more elevation adjustment, FFP, Illuminated, better power ratio, 10 mil per rev turrets, better reticle...etc
I think the SS would be a considerable upgrade to what you have in all respects.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the SS would be a considerable upgrade to what you have in all respects. </div></div>
That is a BIG +1 on the above. The Mil-Quad reticle alone would be worth switching over...
DK
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the SS would be a considerable upgrade to what you have in all respects. </div></div>
That is a BIG +1 on the above. The Mil-Quad reticle alone would be worth switching over...
DK
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What kind of Mark 4 do you have? Is it the one with m1 or m5 turrets?
Leupold Glass quality seems to be very inconsistent sometimes it is really wow.. Other times it is just ok. From what I have read around on here it seems to be on par if not better than Mark 4 glass.
The SS has more elevation adjustment, FFP, Illuminated, better power ratio, 10 mil per rev turrets, better reticle...etc
I think the SS would be a considerable upgrade to what you have in all respects. </div></div>
It has the m1 turrets. I would agree with your statement about mk4 glass being inconsistent. Thanks for your advice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What kind of Mark 4 do you have? Is it the one with m1 or m5 turrets?
Leupold Glass quality seems to be very inconsistent sometimes it is really wow.. Other times it is just ok. From what I have read around on here it seems to be on par if not better than Mark 4 glass.
The SS has more elevation adjustment, FFP, Illuminated, better power ratio, 10 mil per rev turrets, better reticle...etc
I think the SS would be a considerable upgrade to what you have in all respects. </div></div>
It has the m1 turrets. I would agree with your statement about mk4 glass being inconsistent. Thanks for your advice.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matthewusmc8791</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS is just that SWFA. Don't waste your time with it, read some posts from some of logical thinking guys who did a full line of testing on it. Save your headache, of course a guy will say its great when he gets one or two for free. come on, think bout it.
Also Leupold can swap out your reticle for $65 and install M1 knobs for $120. Depends on which EXACT model of MK4 you have governs how much elevation you have but you do a few upgrades with Leupold you'd be fine. STay aways from that SS crap.
Also tell them (leupold) some stuff about the glass not being as well as 3 others you've looked through and need it inspected and replaced. The lenses are cheap, they and eveyone else just mark them up because they can. ITs like eyewear, eye glass stores pay pennies on the dollar for glasses, you pay 100's because you need it.. same principle here.
JMTC </div></div>
Really... crap? "Save your headache"? What experience do you have with the SS line other than what other "logical thinking" folks, such as yourself, have written? Swapping the reticle and knobs may indeed be the best option for him to try first, but you realize it's possible to support one product without ignorantly bashing another right? I've got both the 3-9x42 and 5-20x50. They weren't given to me for free and I think they're every bit as good as any of the other topshelf optics I've compared them to. And, there are plenty of "logical thinking" folks here who have done a "full line of testing" who echo that sentiment.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matthewusmc8791</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS is just that SWFA. Don't waste your time with it, read some posts from some of logical thinking guys who did a full line of testing on it. Save your headache, of course a guy will say its great when he gets one or two for free. come on, think bout it.
Also Leupold can swap out your reticle for $65 and install M1 knobs for $120. Depends on which EXACT model of MK4 you have governs how much elevation you have but you do a few upgrades with Leupold you'd be fine. STay aways from that SS crap.
Also tell them (leupold) some stuff about the glass not being as well as 3 others you've looked through and need it inspected and replaced. The lenses are cheap, they and eveyone else just mark them up because they can. ITs like eyewear, eye glass stores pay pennies on the dollar for glasses, you pay 100's because you need it.. same principle here.
JMTC </div></div>
Really... crap? "Save your headache"? What experience do you have with the SS line other than what other "logical thinking" folks, such as yourself, have written? Swapping the reticle and knobs may indeed be the best option for him to try first, but you realize it's possible to support one product without ignorantly bashing another right? I've got both the 3-9x42 and 5-20x50. They weren't given to me for free and I think they're every bit as good as any of the other topshelf optics I've compared them to. And, there are plenty of "logical thinking" folks here who have done a "full line of testing" who echo that sentiment.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matthewusmc8791</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS is just that SWFA. Don't waste your time with it, read some posts from some of logical thinking guys who did a full line of testing on it. Save your headache, of course a guy will say its great when he gets one or two for free. come on, think bout it.
Also Leupold can swap out your reticle for $65 and install M1 knobs for $120. Depends on which EXACT model of MK4 you have governs how much elevation you have but you do a few upgrades with Leupold you'd be fine. STay aways from that SS crap.
Also tell them (leupold) some stuff about the glass not being as well as 3 others you've looked through and need it inspected and replaced. The lenses are cheap, they and eveyone else just mark them up because they can. ITs like eyewear, eye glass stores pay pennies on the dollar for glasses, you pay 100's because you need it.. same principle here.
JMTC </div></div>
Wow....I have seen nothing but excellent reviews about SWFA products and especially the HD 5-20. Even this very website has done a review praising it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matthewusmc8791</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS is just that SWFA. Don't waste your time with it, read some posts from some of logical thinking guys who did a full line of testing on it. Save your headache, of course a guy will say its great when he gets one or two for free. come on, think bout it.
Also Leupold can swap out your reticle for $65 and install M1 knobs for $120. Depends on which EXACT model of MK4 you have governs how much elevation you have but you do a few upgrades with Leupold you'd be fine. STay aways from that SS crap.
Also tell them (leupold) some stuff about the glass not being as well as 3 others you've looked through and need it inspected and replaced. The lenses are cheap, they and eveyone else just mark them up because they can. ITs like eyewear, eye glass stores pay pennies on the dollar for glasses, you pay 100's because you need it.. same principle here.
JMTC </div></div>
Wow....I have seen nothing but excellent reviews about SWFA products and especially the HD 5-20. Even this very website has done a review praising it.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
I have a 5-20 SS illuminated and pay far less then you would for a mk4 with the same features. Everyone who has looked through it has been wowed. As far as them being crap I would have to say that matthewusmc8791 has no experience with swfa. I can atest to quality of the customer service, it is top notch. I have never actually bought anything from them, but have exchanged emails with them. They are currently sending me a reticle card. They could have easily said that the guy I bought my 5-20 from just didn't send me my card, but instead they only asked for my address. All in all I am very happy with my SS.
Ray
I have a 5-20 SS illuminated and pay far less then you would for a mk4 with the same features. Everyone who has looked through it has been wowed. As far as them being crap I would have to say that matthewusmc8791 has no experience with swfa. I can atest to quality of the customer service, it is top notch. I have never actually bought anything from them, but have exchanged emails with them. They are currently sending me a reticle card. They could have easily said that the guy I bought my 5-20 from just didn't send me my card, but instead they only asked for my address. All in all I am very happy with my SS.
Ray
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
Paid for two SWFA SS scopes with my hard earned money, I am perfectly happy with them or I would not have purchased the second. The last review I read done by "Logical Thinking Folks" said the SS 5x20 HD was dollar for dollar the best value in tactical scopes, I would agree based on my experience.
Paid for two SWFA SS scopes with my hard earned money, I am perfectly happy with them or I would not have purchased the second. The last review I read done by "Logical Thinking Folks" said the SS 5x20 HD was dollar for dollar the best value in tactical scopes, I would agree based on my experience.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
Thanks everyone for your replies. Matthewusmc, do you have any experience with them?
I think I have made up my mind on getting one. I am also going to wait for lone wolfs review.
The other one I am looking at is the bushnell hdmr with h59. I really like the idea of the holdover reticle.
Thanks everyone for your replies. Matthewusmc, do you have any experience with them?
I think I have made up my mind on getting one. I am also going to wait for lone wolfs review.
The other one I am looking at is the bushnell hdmr with h59. I really like the idea of the holdover reticle.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
I got to play with a SS briefly one day.
I cant say I was overly impressed with the glass quality. I would put it on par or at least close to just about every MK4 ive used.
My only gripe with the 5-20 is personally, I immensely dislike the mil-quad reticle. If it wasnt for that reticle, id probably own one.
I got to play with a SS briefly one day.
I cant say I was overly impressed with the glass quality. I would put it on par or at least close to just about every MK4 ive used.
My only gripe with the 5-20 is personally, I immensely dislike the mil-quad reticle. If it wasnt for that reticle, id probably own one.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
I compared SS HD 10x fixed side by side with MK4, NF 5x22 SFP, Swarovski (lower end model), and a S&B 3x12 at a class about a year ago. With all scopes on 10x, the S&B was best, it almost looked 3-D and the color resolution was incredible. The SS was in second place to my eye that day... this was in full light mid-day. (the problem with one off comparisons is that I wasn't accounting for manufacturing variation...who knows, it might have been a MK4 that wasn't a good example but it's what I used)
So when the SS 5x20 HD came out, I bought two. Are there better scopes? Yes, but not for the same or lower price tag.
I compared SS HD 10x fixed side by side with MK4, NF 5x22 SFP, Swarovski (lower end model), and a S&B 3x12 at a class about a year ago. With all scopes on 10x, the S&B was best, it almost looked 3-D and the color resolution was incredible. The SS was in second place to my eye that day... this was in full light mid-day. (the problem with one off comparisons is that I wasn't accounting for manufacturing variation...who knows, it might have been a MK4 that wasn't a good example but it's what I used)
So when the SS 5x20 HD came out, I bought two. Are there better scopes? Yes, but not for the same or lower price tag.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
I got the SS 5-20 during the GB for a grand. Dollar for dollar, when I compared the features of the SS to the features of other optics, I was not going to come close to the price of the SS with any other scope. Above average glass, FFP, illuminated reticle, matching turrets and reticle, 10 mils per revolution, and a solid company that backs their warranty.
I got the SS 5-20 during the GB for a grand. Dollar for dollar, when I compared the features of the SS to the features of other optics, I was not going to come close to the price of the SS with any other scope. Above average glass, FFP, illuminated reticle, matching turrets and reticle, 10 mils per revolution, and a solid company that backs their warranty.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
Holy shit, who got them free! I had to pay for both of mine.
And, as a paying customer, hands down better than the Lupy: glass quality, elevation travel, build quality.
And I too am curious what headache is avoided by purchasing a Mk4?
The best I can say of Leupold is that they have great customer service, when their optics break (which they do quite frequently), they fix it fast.
Holy shit, who got them free! I had to pay for both of mine.
And, as a paying customer, hands down better than the Lupy: glass quality, elevation travel, build quality.
And I too am curious what headache is avoided by purchasing a Mk4?
The best I can say of Leupold is that they have great customer service, when their optics break (which they do quite frequently), they fix it fast.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
Well just to give you my experience...I sold two mk4scopes and bought 2 SS scopes when the deal was going on. I have not been dissapointed and do not regret my decision. Leupolds were great and they worked well for me for a long time, however they have finaly gotten with the times and are putting some mil mil scopes on the market. For the price of Leupolds new offerrings in my opinion there are better choices out there.
Well just to give you my experience...I sold two mk4scopes and bought 2 SS scopes when the deal was going on. I have not been dissapointed and do not regret my decision. Leupolds were great and they worked well for me for a long time, however they have finaly gotten with the times and are putting some mil mil scopes on the market. For the price of Leupolds new offerrings in my opinion there are better choices out there.
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Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matthewusmc8791</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS is just that SWFA. Don't waste your time with it, read some posts from some of logical thinking guys who did a full line of testing on it. Save your headache, of course a guy will say <span style="font-weight: bold">its great when he gets one or two for free. come on, think bout it.</span>
Also Leupold can swap out your reticle for <span style="font-weight: bold">$65 </span>and install M1 knobs for <span style="font-weight: bold">$120.</span> Depends on which EXACT model of MK4 you have governs how much elevation you have but you do a few upgrades with Leupold you'd be fine. STay aways from that SS crap.
Also <span style="font-weight: bold">tell them (leupold) some stuff about the glass not being as well as 3 others you've looked through and need it inspected and replaced</span>. The lenses are cheap, <span style="font-weight: bold">they and eveyone else just mark them up because they can.</span> ITs like eyewear, eye glass stores pay pennies on the dollar for glasses, you pay 100's because you need it.. same principle here.
JMTC </div></div>
This just made me laugh when I read it and if I ever find out who gave away our free crap (SS) I'll have to commend them on a job well done because it has appeared to have fooled the masses into believing our crap is pretty good crap.
You didn't even help Leupold with your statements.....SS is crap, get a Leupold and send it back and pay to have everything about it you don't like changed then lie to them in hopes to get them to replace the glass.
I won't even touch your ridiculous analogy to eye glasses and scope lenses.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matthewusmc8791</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS is just that SWFA. Don't waste your time with it, read some posts from some of logical thinking guys who did a full line of testing on it. Save your headache, of course a guy will say <span style="font-weight: bold">its great when he gets one or two for free. come on, think bout it.</span>
Also Leupold can swap out your reticle for <span style="font-weight: bold">$65 </span>and install M1 knobs for <span style="font-weight: bold">$120.</span> Depends on which EXACT model of MK4 you have governs how much elevation you have but you do a few upgrades with Leupold you'd be fine. STay aways from that SS crap.
Also <span style="font-weight: bold">tell them (leupold) some stuff about the glass not being as well as 3 others you've looked through and need it inspected and replaced</span>. The lenses are cheap, <span style="font-weight: bold">they and eveyone else just mark them up because they can.</span> ITs like eyewear, eye glass stores pay pennies on the dollar for glasses, you pay 100's because you need it.. same principle here.
JMTC </div></div>
This just made me laugh when I read it and if I ever find out who gave away our free crap (SS) I'll have to commend them on a job well done because it has appeared to have fooled the masses into believing our crap is pretty good crap.
You didn't even help Leupold with your statements.....SS is crap, get a Leupold and send it back and pay to have everything about it you don't like changed then lie to them in hopes to get them to replace the glass.
I won't even touch your ridiculous analogy to eye glasses and scope lenses.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matthewusmc8791</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS is just that SWFA. Don't waste your time with it, read some posts from some of logical thinking guys who did a full line of testing on it. Save your headache, of course a guy will say <span style="font-weight: bold">its great when he gets one or two for free. come on, think bout it.</span>
Also Leupold can swap out your reticle for <span style="font-weight: bold">$65 </span>and install M1 knobs for <span style="font-weight: bold">$120.</span> Depends on which EXACT model of MK4 you have governs how much elevation you have but you do a few upgrades with Leupold you'd be fine. STay aways from that SS crap.
Also <span style="font-weight: bold">tell them (leupold) some stuff about the glass not being as well as 3 others you've looked through and need it inspected and replaced</span>. The lenses are cheap, <span style="font-weight: bold">they and eveyone else just mark them up because they can.</span> ITs like eyewear, eye glass stores pay pennies on the dollar for glasses, you pay 100's because you need it.. same principle here.
JMTC </div></div>
This just made me laugh when I read it and if I ever find out who gave away our free crap (SS) I'll have to commend them on a job well done because it has appeared to have fooled the masses into believing our crap is pretty good crap.
You didn't even help Leupold with your statements.....SS is crap, get a Leupold and send it back and pay to have everything about it you don't like changed then lie to them in hopes to get them to replace the glass.
I won't even touch your ridiculous analogy to eye glasses and scope lenses.</div></div>
I guess he got the wrong scopes he was trying to tell about the CounterSniper scopes that are built to government specs! Or he is just drunk or stoned
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Aron-
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: matthewusmc8791</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS is just that SWFA. Don't waste your time with it, read some posts from some of logical thinking guys who did a full line of testing on it. Save your headache, of course a guy will say <span style="font-weight: bold">its great when he gets one or two for free. come on, think bout it.</span>
Also Leupold can swap out your reticle for <span style="font-weight: bold">$65 </span>and install M1 knobs for <span style="font-weight: bold">$120.</span> Depends on which EXACT model of MK4 you have governs how much elevation you have but you do a few upgrades with Leupold you'd be fine. STay aways from that SS crap.
Also <span style="font-weight: bold">tell them (leupold) some stuff about the glass not being as well as 3 others you've looked through and need it inspected and replaced</span>. The lenses are cheap, <span style="font-weight: bold">they and eveyone else just mark them up because they can.</span> ITs like eyewear, eye glass stores pay pennies on the dollar for glasses, you pay 100's because you need it.. same principle here.
JMTC </div></div>
This just made me laugh when I read it and if I ever find out who gave away our free crap (SS) I'll have to commend them on a job well done because it has appeared to have fooled the masses into believing our crap is pretty good crap.
You didn't even help Leupold with your statements.....SS is crap, get a Leupold and send it back and pay to have everything about it you don't like changed then lie to them in hopes to get them to replace the glass.
I won't even touch your ridiculous analogy to eye glasses and scope lenses.</div></div>
I guess he got the wrong scopes he was trying to tell about the CounterSniper scopes that are built to government specs! Or he is just drunk or stoned
Aron-
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
Well I have 20 scopes From the ss line and 10 of them are SS 5x 20. Have had one prob. and SWFA took care of it within a week. The scope are well worth the money. I have used many other higher end scopes and they all had things I could not live with so for now SS is it. Going to try the new SB next. SS have good glass and track well, great eye box and relief. Built solid. I would upgrade to a SS.
Well I have 20 scopes From the ss line and 10 of them are SS 5x 20. Have had one prob. and SWFA took care of it within a week. The scope are well worth the money. I have used many other higher end scopes and they all had things I could not live with so for now SS is it. Going to try the new SB next. SS have good glass and track well, great eye box and relief. Built solid. I would upgrade to a SS.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GGN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I have 20 scopes From the ss line and 10 of them are SS 5x 20. Have had one prob. and SWFA took care of it within a week. The scope are well worth the money. I have used many other higher end scopes and they all had things I could not live with so for now SS is it. Going to try the new SB next. SS have good glass and track well, great eye box and relief. Built solid. I would upgrade to a SS. </div></div>
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You should post a pic so we can use it on our new site we're developing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GGN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I have 20 scopes From the ss line and 10 of them are SS 5x 20. Have had one prob. and SWFA took care of it within a week. The scope are well worth the money. I have used many other higher end scopes and they all had things I could not live with so for now SS is it. Going to try the new SB next. SS have good glass and track well, great eye box and relief. Built solid. I would upgrade to a SS. </div></div>
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You should post a pic so we can use it on our new site we're developing.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GGN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I have 20 scopes From the ss line and 10 of them are SS 5x 20. Have had one prob. and SWFA took care of it within a week. The scope are well worth the money. I have used many other higher end scopes and they all had things I could not live with so for now SS is it. Going to try the new SB next. SS have good glass and track well, great eye box and relief. Built solid. I would upgrade to a SS. </div></div>
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You should post a pic so we can use it on our new site we're developing. </div></div>
Will get a family pick Tuesday as I had planned on doing a family pic of the Shark Family as well that day.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWFA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GGN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I have 20 scopes From the ss line and 10 of them are SS 5x 20. Have had one prob. and SWFA took care of it within a week. The scope are well worth the money. I have used many other higher end scopes and they all had things I could not live with so for now SS is it. Going to try the new SB next. SS have good glass and track well, great eye box and relief. Built solid. I would upgrade to a SS. </div></div>
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You should post a pic so we can use it on our new site we're developing. </div></div>
Will get a family pick Tuesday as I had planned on doing a family pic of the Shark Family as well that day.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
I have a 5-20, 3-9 and 1-4 supplementing my main USOptics scopes. They are great scopes for the money and the 5-20 is very good. I have had many Leupolds over the years and I would buy the 5-20 SS over any Leupold and the 3-9 over any but the top of the line Leupolds. Apparently Leupold's stuff is getting better as of late and they are a good company to deal with but have nothing on SWFA dollar for dollar on comparable models in my opinion.
I have a 5-20, 3-9 and 1-4 supplementing my main USOptics scopes. They are great scopes for the money and the 5-20 is very good. I have had many Leupolds over the years and I would buy the 5-20 SS over any Leupold and the 3-9 over any but the top of the line Leupolds. Apparently Leupold's stuff is getting better as of late and they are a good company to deal with but have nothing on SWFA dollar for dollar on comparable models in my opinion.
Re: SS 5-20x vs Mk4 6.5-20
I sold my MK IV to get the 5-20SS HD from SWFA and have had no problems, issues or regrets. It's a great scope. I've used it in a comp so far too and it performed very well. SWFA's customer service it top-notch too. They went above and beyond to help me out last year when I was shopping scopes. I've since bought from them several times. They have easily earned my repeat business. Deal with confidence!
I sold my MK IV to get the 5-20SS HD from SWFA and have had no problems, issues or regrets. It's a great scope. I've used it in a comp so far too and it performed very well. SWFA's customer service it top-notch too. They went above and beyond to help me out last year when I was shopping scopes. I've since bought from them several times. They have easily earned my repeat business. Deal with confidence!
