If California comes for Midwest water, Minnesota has plenty of ...
https://www.desertsun.com › story › readers › 2022/07/1154 minutes ago — We have plenty of dynamite in Minnesota. My advice to you is: Don't Californicate the upper Midwest.
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54 minutes ago — We have plenty of dynamite in Minnesota. My advice to you is: Don't Californicate the upper Midwest.
I would not have put it that way, but I do agree that the great lakes states and Canada must be vigilant to protect our bounty.
Fortunately as of today no governor in any great lakes state nor any likely Canadian PM would agree to send our water West.
That's why they have changed their focus to the Mississippi. Chicago already steals Great Lakes water to provide navigation connected to the Mississippi. So they just have to tap the Mississippi and the more they take the more Chicago will have to steal to replace it.
Truthfully this is a worry of mine. If you are having a feast at your house with all your friends over, and your house is surrounded by a starving mob, how long until one of your friends decided to give the mob some of your extra food. Or until the mob decides to take it.
Meanwhile California would have plenty of water if they were willing to you know build dams and stop blowing them up?
Maybe build a new dam to get all that huge amount of melt water from the mountains?
Maybe stop pouring it all into the ocean?
Maybe stop refusing to build desalination plants?
Those left wing idiots who refuse to do anything because "not in my back yard" deserve to have to live with what they created and not be able to leave or get bail outs.
Maybe build a new dam to get all that huge amount of melt water from the mountains?
Maybe stop pouring it all into the ocean?
Maybe stop refusing to build desalination plants?
Those left wing idiots who refuse to do anything because "not in my back yard" deserve to have to live with what they created and not be able to leave or get bail outs.
Thats why we have the 2A.
As long as the mob is peaceful, and 'asks' if I have spare I might help. But thats not how mobs operate, and if a 'friend went against my decision he, she, or it, would very quickly become part of the starving mob.
But, but...that might harm one of the 3 surviving tadpoles.
Sadly the leadership in MN is already changing this to be more like California. They are changing their emission laws to be more "green" by adopting California's vehicle mandates.
We are seeing a TON of MN people here in ND more and more. Most of the people out side Hennepin and Duluth are pissed. Though those two areas have the largest population, so they get the pull of the entire state.
At least for now MN is a signatory of The Great Lakes Compact.
Great Lakes Compact
The Great Lakes Compact is an agreement between the states of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and the provinces of Ontario and Quebec to act together to protect, conserve, restore, improve, and effectively manage the waters and water-dependent...
www.dnr.state.mn.us
Probably better off desalinating the pacific than watering crops from the polluted Illinois river.
Salad with a side of cancer anyone?
Salad with a side of cancer anyone?
Desalination is economical for drinking cooking and quick showers not agriculture. Ask a USN sailor how long he is supposed to spend in the shower when underway.
We have plenty of water here in kali. We just let it all run out into the ocean, most through the delta. Couple of dams and everything would be fine. I know I’m preaching to the choir here but the morons in sac are the issue, not water.
The Saudis are betting big on being able to use desalination to drive agriculture.
I guess we'll see how it works for them.
Here is some water for free... Would not have to steal.
www.nola.com
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And, I’m betting that water is already somewhat expensive in a desert. Desalinization is not economically viable where water is cheap; but in a desert?
For now...but the dipshits in Minneapolis are full on California cock gobblers.At least for now MN is a signatory of The Great Lakes Compact.
Great Lakes Compact
The Great Lakes Compact is an agreement between the states of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and the provinces of Ontario and Quebec to act together to protect, conserve, restore, improve, and effectively manage the waters and water-dependent...
Duluth Minnesota is a liberal crap hole worse that CA
There are so many ways to fix their problems. All they need to do is not be stupid and evil…
Piping water out west for the mississippi or great lakes has always been a great idea. Creeks and streams don't run the water that bar ditches do back east.
Why are Saudi Arabian cows still eating Arizona's water?
Out-of-state and foreign interests are draining Arizona's groundwater. It's a problem the government has known about for years.
www.azcentral.com
Maybe CA should stop exporting all their water as fermented grape juice?
And I am most probably wrong but de-sal takes a ton of electricty, no? I thought I had read, seen, or heard that most de-sal plants are near nuke plants so all Cali has to do is... Oh, wait. Nevermind.
And suddenly pipelines are OK........
Yes, MANY times! Still not as bad as Cali, but well on the way, most of the Iron Range / North Shore folks are libtards.
I live in this blue state and I agree
! We are run by idiots! Our state officials waste our water on bullshit and fuck everything up… but we all don’t vote blue so have a little love for your red brothers stuck behind enemy lines.
I’m pretty sure the pure engineering cost to benefit of moving water from the midwest to CA makes the plan untenable.
Well these fucks in CA want all electric vehicles by 2035 when we don’t have the power grid to support it. Their green agenda in a pile of diarrhea!!! Don’t under estimate their stupidity!!!
Years ago I sent a very detailed blueprint to the governors office for a desalination plant.
The only power it needed would be for pumps, to and from.
You can build one in the desert and use mirrors to direct the suns energy to a centralized point which would be the "boil cauldron" (generic terms there).
Filtration would be minimal since it is using steam distillation.
There would have been zero NIMBY shit, just pipelines from ocean to desert, plenty of area for those....say across the Camp Pendleton base ?
Never heard a word and I'm absolutely certain it went straight to trash.
Fuck California.
They are not smart enough to be called stupid, it would take a heavy multiplier for them to get up to the stupid level.
The only power it needed would be for pumps, to and from.
You can build one in the desert and use mirrors to direct the suns energy to a centralized point which would be the "boil cauldron" (generic terms there).
Filtration would be minimal since it is using steam distillation.
There would have been zero NIMBY shit, just pipelines from ocean to desert, plenty of area for those....say across the Camp Pendleton base ?
Never heard a word and I'm absolutely certain it went straight to trash.
Fuck California.
They are not smart enough to be called stupid, it would take a heavy multiplier for them to get up to the stupid level.
Don't let them get your water. California has a proven track record of stealing water.
Owens Valley was once a vital productive agricultural haven, from Bishop to Olancha, and East to the White mountains. The City of LA, started buying up water rights, and ranches, checker-boarding owners who refused to sell, and shooting owners who tried to open blocked irrigation canals. There were several instances of the major canal taking water south being blown up. To this day, there are people in the region who have a seething resentment for LACDWP.
Owens Valley was once a vital productive agricultural haven, from Bishop to Olancha, and East to the White mountains. The City of LA, started buying up water rights, and ranches, checker-boarding owners who refused to sell, and shooting owners who tried to open blocked irrigation canals. There were several instances of the major canal taking water south being blown up. To this day, there are people in the region who have a seething resentment for LACDWP.
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Waste of electricity. Last I knew most of the natural gas in the mideast gets flared off... Use that NG to fire distillation boilers to make drinking water from seawater.
Mike
Is the lake still drying up?
Used to hear about that hourly . . . not so much now.
"Oh, look! Something shiny over there!!!"
Used to hear about that hourly . . . not so much now.
"Oh, look! Something shiny over there!!!"
Would love to see how they're going to pump that water up, over, and through the Rockies to get at least to the watershed of the colorado river. That would be the shortest distance to run a pipeline, and then they would have to deal with folks upstream that draw water off of it. Word is they floated the idea of diverting water out of the Missouri in Montana, to send westward. I do wonder how many pump stations they would have to have in line to pump the water up high enough, and how much electricity would said pumping stations use to pump the water 24x7. How much $$$ in maintenance, initial costs to build, how many years to get it done, how much delays from legal battles, ect. I know it could be done, we have the technology, and the brightest engineers from India that would design it, and make it work. But at what cost.
Branden
Branden
Excellent points, unfortunately the deep state has answers.
1) the job goes to the contractor with the best history of paying bribes to politicians on a cost plus basis.
2) on the down hill side you install hydro electric generators that provide most of the energy to power the pumps.
3) legal battles happen when private enterprise attempts to serve customers, not when the deep state imposes its will.
100 gallons a day average california household (actually lower now, about 40-50 as stricter mandates are in effect)
several studies have shown that building and using desalinization plants for water would cost Californians between 30-50$ dollars per month depending on technology used.
as over population becomes a issue in most major cities and will continue to be a problem, as much as i hate to say it..
raising taxes and water prices will push people from the bigger cities on the coast to the center of the country
the sooner we move 10 million people out of california to Minnesota, Wisconsin and other northern lower population states the quicker this all goes away.
remove 25% of the population and water is free flowing again
now that means more libtards where they historically not been but if population is not limited, any resource in the area will become sparse...just the math of it
several studies have shown that building and using desalinization plants for water would cost Californians between 30-50$ dollars per month depending on technology used.
as over population becomes a issue in most major cities and will continue to be a problem, as much as i hate to say it..
raising taxes and water prices will push people from the bigger cities on the coast to the center of the country
the sooner we move 10 million people out of california to Minnesota, Wisconsin and other northern lower population states the quicker this all goes away.
remove 25% of the population and water is free flowing again
now that means more libtards where they historically not been but if population is not limited, any resource in the area will become sparse...just the math of it
Fair 'nuff on #1 for sure, you're right on that.
#2 I'm not an engineer, I started school to be an engineer, took a lot of classes, but my life took a different direction and I dropped out of college because i'm a dumbfuck, so take the following with a grain a salt, and tell me i'm stupid if you're (or anyone) far more qualified than I am, and educate me please. Having hydroelectric generators on a pipeline that is fed and pressurized by pumps, wouldn't generate nearly enough power to even provide most of the power to the pumps because the backpressure necessary to run the generators, would only increase the power demands on the pumps, as well as reduce the flow through the pipeline. And with gravity, and friction working against you already, the only really effective means of incorporating hydroelectric power generation would be to have reservoirs that you're pumping into, and then gravity feeding the generators, and flowing into the next series of pumps that are moving them along the way.
Was looking, if they were to draw water from the headwaters of the Missouri, they could move it south maybe 300 miles from three forks montana to roughly pinedale wyoming (I think that river flows to the colorado, i didn't dig that far). That would be a 3100' elevation increase, but the least amount of pipeline. Then you have to accept a certain amount of evaporation loss before it makes it to the the reservoirs that feed the southwest. A brief look at pumps I found a 16" pump that has 575' of max head, 15,000gpm (but definitely not at 500' of head). They're going to need a pump and pipeline way larger than 16" to make any difference for the west. But we're still talking 6 or 7 pumps just to get the water up the elevation, and that doesn't factor in frictional losses along the 300 mile trip. I'm sure there are pumps out there that can run 1000'+ of max head height, but I spent about 2min on google looking at pumps.
I think the idea of diverting water is dumb, but I do have fun thinking about the logistics, engineering, and planning of such a venture, it's a good thought exercise imo.
But seriously, if i'm wrong, please tell me where i'm wrong, or what I haven't considered.
#3 Yeah, deep state always gets it's way, through force, or by coercion...with force.
Branden
Compact or not, there isn’t a day that goes by when Walz wouldn’t kill his own mother for a chance to suck Newsom’s cock.At least for now MN is a signatory of The Great Lakes Compact.
Great Lakes Compact
The Great Lakes Compact is an agreement between the states of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and the provinces of Ontario and Quebec to act together to protect, conserve, restore, improve, and effectively manage the waters and water-dependent...
And all the union democrats that voted for the asshole in the governor’s mansion would line up behind him.
Only one dam in Kali needs to go, and even that's questionable: Hetch Hetchy. Too late now as it'd take > 200 years to "restore" but it was supposedly the "crown" valley.
But, the key thing is no desalination plants...of course...that WOULD require POWER of which Kali also refuses to have. So, Kali would be a wonderful state if not for the people. What scares me is I see more folks from Kali, Ore-gone, and Washout coming along with the Virginians and that scares me as much (or more) as the newly termed "migrant" aka ILLEGALS.
