Stealing water

[softcock]

Would love to see how they're going to pump that water up, over, and through the Rockies to get at least to the watershed of the colorado river. That would be the shortest distance to run a pipeline, and then they would have to deal with folks upstream that draw water off of it. Word is they floated the idea of diverting water out of the Missouri in Montana, to send westward. I do wonder how many pump stations they would have to have in line to pump the water up high enough, and how much electricity would said pumping stations use to pump the water 24x7. How much $$$ in maintenance, initial costs to build, how many years to get it done, how much delays from legal battles, ect. I know it could be done, we have the technology, and the brightest engineers from India that would design it, and make it work. But at what cost.

Branden

Pipe construction, threw over the Rockies to the Colorado Watershed . well EasyPeesy ..
If Colorado legislature would grant California permission, but stipulate construction limit on the water pipe size/Diam. to no more than 4" inch . 4 Inch diameter water pipe used, will ease the terrain construction navigation, plus cost-$ savings with faster construction time . The key to all this working is the limit of water volume moved threw a 4 inch pipe, but .. if the State of California can suck, as good as it can blow. Their water problems will be solved.
.

 

[supercorndogs]

Would love to see how they're going to pump that water up, over, and through the Rockies to get at least to the watershed of the colorado river. That would be the shortest distance to run a pipeline, and then they would have to deal with folks upstream that draw water off of it. Word is they floated the idea of diverting water out of the Missouri in Montana, to send westward. I do wonder how many pump stations they would have to have in line to pump the water up high enough, and how much electricity would said pumping stations use to pump the water 24x7. How much $$$ in maintenance, initial costs to build, how many years to get it done, how much delays from legal battles, ect. I know it could be done, we have the technology, and the brightest engineers from India that would design it, and make it work. But at what cost.

Branden

See also Big Thompson water project.

Adams Tunnel | Northern Water

www.northernwater.org

Not really here nor there. The answer to all these problems and farming in the desert is storing more water, which mean building more dams. Cali has been doing the opposite. They are intentionally creating a problem. All the court rulings on water in Colorado I have seen. I.E Kansas sewing Colorado for water, are intentionally creating the same problems by making Colorado drain their storage every year. 40% of the water in our Arkansas storage has to be sent to KS every year. Whether we are topping 300,000 acre feet, or 30,000 acre feet.

 

[DOA]

Meanwhile California would have plenty of water if they were willing to you know build dams and stop blowing them up?
Maybe build a new dam to get all that huge amount of melt water from the mountains?
Maybe stop pouring it all into the ocean?
Maybe stop refusing to build desalination plants?

Those left wing idiots who refuse to do anything because "not in my back yard" deserve to have to live with what they created and not be able to leave or get bail outs.

Diablo nuclear was geared to shutdown, and now newscum is rethinking that move. Duh! We should be building a second or third and build some desalination plants. Its the "not in my backyard" and the eco freaks that are stopping real progress. They are all about using the correct pronouns and keeping baby killing legal .

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Related:

In just one day, the average data center could use 300,000 gallons of water to cool itself — the same water consumption as 100,000 homes, according to researchers at Virginia Tech who also estimated that one in five data centers draws water from stressed watersheds mostly in the west.

Microsoft, Meta and others face rising drought risk to their data centers

Data centers generate massive amounts of heat through their servers because of the enormous amount of power they use, and water is used to cool them.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Sean the Nailer]

But,,, but.... muh avocado's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[acudaowner]

it's not really stealing when your state government sells the water to California and almost every state has been doing it for years now look how they dried up that lake Mead while in the middle of a drout . now it may be called thief cause none of the money in any state has ever been recorded in any state ledger . meaning it has gone . poof vanished that's a fun fact so you as citizens have been robed of your resources , but politicians have through under the table dealings sold your water yea and to California so they can have really green grass sort of makes me feel better about it shit & homeless on the streets , but they have such green grass and near perfect communism happening .

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

Related:

In just one day, the average data center could use 300,000 gallons of water to cool itself — the same water consumption as 100,000 homes, according to researchers at Virginia Tech who also estimated that one in five data centers draws water from stressed watersheds mostly in the west.

Microsoft, Meta and others face rising drought risk to their data centers

Data centers generate massive amounts of heat through their servers because of the enormous amount of power they use, and water is used to cool them.

www.cnbc.com

You mean to tell me the average home uses three gallons of water per day?

 

[brianf]

You mean to tell me the average home uses three gallons of water per day?

they are missing a zero

last i read it was 300 gallons a day for the average home

 

[XTREM HTR16]

Fair 'nuff on #1 for sure, you're right on that.

#2 I'm not an engineer, I started school to be an engineer, took a lot of classes, but my life took a different direction and I dropped out of college because i'm a dumbfuck, so take the following with a grain a salt, and tell me i'm stupid if you're (or anyone) far more qualified than I am, and educate me please. Having hydroelectric generators on a pipeline that is fed and pressurized by pumps, wouldn't generate nearly enough power to even provide most of the power to the pumps because the backpressure necessary to run the generators, would only increase the power demands on the pumps, as well as reduce the flow through the pipeline. And with gravity, and friction working against you already, the only really effective means of incorporating hydroelectric power generation would be to have reservoirs that you're pumping into, and then gravity feeding the generators, and flowing into the next series of pumps that are moving them along the way.

Was looking, if they were to draw water from the headwaters of the Missouri, they could move it south maybe 300 miles from three forks montana to roughly pinedale wyoming (I think that river flows to the colorado, i didn't dig that far). That would be a 3100' elevation increase, but the least amount of pipeline. Then you have to accept a certain amount of evaporation loss before it makes it to the the reservoirs that feed the southwest. A brief look at pumps I found a 16" pump that has 575' of max head, 15,000gpm (but definitely not at 500' of head). They're going to need a pump and pipeline way larger than 16" to make any difference for the west. But we're still talking 6 or 7 pumps just to get the water up the elevation, and that doesn't factor in frictional losses along the 300 mile trip. I'm sure there are pumps out there that can run 1000'+ of max head height, but I spent about 2min on google looking at pumps.

I think the idea of diverting water is dumb, but I do have fun thinking about the logistics, engineering, and planning of such a venture, it's a good thought exercise imo.

But seriously, if i'm wrong, please tell me where i'm wrong, or what I haven't considered.

#3 Yeah, deep state always gets it's way, through force, or by coercion...with force.


Branden

Branden,
You're correct on #2. The friction headloss by adding hydro would require larger pump motors, it's a losing proposition (studied it many times).
However, you're not really going to have evaporation loss in a closed pipeline and closed storage tanks. Only evaporation would be in open reservoirs. If you're pumping finished, treated water you are not going to expose it to open reservoirs = you'd have to treat it again. And if you're pumping vast quantities of raw, untreated/unfinished water, you're going to have issues with sedimentation and buildup in the water mains.

Even a 15,000 gpm pump only delivers around 21-22 million gallons/day, and that's running 24 hours/day. You'd need at least 15 of those to make a dent in the water that flows out of the Colorado east of the Rockies.

One thing we have looked at is pumping water to the east side of the Rockies. You might not need to pump it up over the Rockies to the Colorado. Serving everything east of the Rockies eliminates the water being diverted from the Colorado to the east, and allows the water to flow south and west. Makes up some ground on the shortage.

That being said, with the Mississippi at low levels due to drought right now, there's not enough water for barges to float let alone pump to the west....

 

[Sean the Nailer]

And yet we were dealing with record flooding again this past year. The river levels never dropped to 'standard' levels until August. Whereas they usually are there between mid-May and mid-June.

I know, I know.... we gotta prepare for invasion and 'promote Democracy'.... I get it! Just don't say anything about our oil wells, ok?

 

[supercorndogs]

Related:

In just one day, the average data center could use 300,000 gallons of water to cool itself — the same water consumption as 100,000 homes, according to researchers at Virginia Tech who also estimated that one in five data centers draws water from stressed watersheds mostly in the west.

Microsoft, Meta and others face rising drought risk to their data centers

Data centers generate massive amounts of heat through their servers because of the enormous amount of power they use, and water is used to cool them.

www.cnbc.com

Water to cool stuff like this isn't used up after you cool down what ever, it can go back into the same reservoir it was drawn from for cooling. Thats how most of Nuke plants I have been around worked anyway.

Also 1 acre foot is about 350,000 gallons. 365 acre foot per year is not very much. The Colorado basin reached its top historical storage amount in 2000, at 17.75 million acre feet. That is 5,783,862,829,250, or almost 6 trillion gallons. This water is not getting used up, these reservoirs are being drained to create a crisis.

 

[supercorndogs]

they are missing a zero

last i read it was 300 gallons a day for the average home

30 seems too low, 300 seems too high. I guess it depends on what they mean by "average home." I imagine that number is drastically screwed by the well above average home, with acres of gardens, and 20 car garages.

 

[brianf]

30 seems too low, 300 seems too high. I guess it depends on what they mean by "average home." I imagine that number is drastically screwed by the well above average home, with acres of gardens, and 20 car garages.

Figure
3-5 showers a day
1 laundry
1-2 dishwasher
Gallon or so do drinks

That has to be 100-150 gallons minimum

Then toss in the extras and landscaping

 

[Rthur]

Question/s.
Does the water get used up or does it return into the system after going through the cycle?
How long does the cycle take?
IE, can it be diminished?

R

 

[supercorndogs]

Figure
3-5 showers a day
1 laundry
1-2 dishwasher
Gallon or so do drinks

That has to be 100-150 gallons minimum

Then toss in the extras and landscaping

2 years of our water usage. We use more than average in summer with large gardens.

Jan	12.40	497	12.40	355	12.40	335
Feb	12.40	433	12.40	417	12.40	436
Mar	12.40	499	12.40	337	18.12	818
Apr	30.63	1475	24.41	1167	60.04	2818
May	83.70	3898	29.91	1442	47.25	2234
Jun	91.14	4238	52.14	2457	115.32	5342
Jul	136.48	6308	124.15	5745	114.84	5320
Aug	112.14	5197	118.52	5488	116.09	5377
Sep	82.40	3839	137.88	6372	89.81	4177
Oct	48.20	2277	58.69	2756	90.79	4222
Nov	0.00	0	32.69	1569	19.35	886
Dec	0.00	0	13.53	563	12.40	40

....................................................2021.................................................................................................2020........................................................

 

[brianf]

Question/s.
Does the water get used up or does it return into the system after going through the cycle?
How long does the cycle take?
IE, can it be diminished?

R

unless it goes to a treatment plant and dumped in the ocean etc

also depending on how the water is available/ stored in nature

on long island NY we are pretty much a sand and rock pile from the last ice age, so water drains back down to the reservoirs under ground

we have lots of 1 acre more or less drainage sumps (hold in the ground) for storm drain run off etc

some dry up and some dont because the water table is high (we are 240' max elevation i think), but every few miles on larger roads has a sump around for run off

my vacation house in upstate NY is all shale and rock, huge amounts of run off making little streams that feed to bigger rivers etc

so its all "returns" to the ground but if it flows to a different site...your dry

 

[OkieMike]

Question/s.
Does the water get used up or does it return into the system after going through the cycle?
How long does the cycle take?
IE, can it be diminished?

R

Pretty sure the data center near me uses a closed loop cooling system... They add to the system as needed to replace loss. But they circulate and chill repeatedly.

That is the critical link in the system. If there is no cool water, there is no data center.

Mike

 

[Rthur]

I meant more along the lines of after we drink it/use it.

R

 

[mahlv]

Maybe that general powell dude was onto something

 

[Dirty D]

Meanwhile California would have plenty of water if they were willing to you know build dams and stop blowing them up?
Maybe build a new dam to get all that huge amount of melt water from the mountains?
Maybe stop pouring it all into the ocean?
Maybe stop refusing to build desalination plants?

Those left wing idiots who refuse to do anything because "not in my back yard" deserve to have to live with what they created and not be able to leave or get bail outs.

California has more than a few power plants and several are nuclear, power plants especially nuclear reactors need cooling. It’s really easy to make fresh water by distilling salt water, am I the only one who sees an opportunity here?

 

[Hobo Hilton]

California has more than a few power plants and several are nuclear, power plants especially nuclear reactors need cooling. It’s really easy to make fresh water by distilling salt water, am I the only one who sees an opportunity here?

Desalinization requires "energy"... America needs all the energy it can create to charge batteries.

 

[Fig]

I would not have put it that way, but I do agree that the great lakes states and Canada must be vigilant to protect our bounty.

Fortunately as of today no governor in any great lakes state nor any likely Canadian PM would agree to send our water West.

That's why they have changed their focus to the Mississippi. Chicago already steals Great Lakes water to provide navigation connected to the Mississippi. So they just have to tap the Mississippi and the more they take the more Chicago will have to steal to replace it.

Truthfully this is a worry of mine. If you are having a feast at your house with all your friends over, and your house is surrounded by a starving mob, how long until one of your friends decided to give the mob some of your extra food. Or until the mob decides to take it.

You have to step out and shoot a few of them to demonstrate your sincerity and resolve. That way when you tell the rest that you will kill them to a man unless they fuckoff they will believe you and leave.

 

[Dirty D]

Desalinization requires "energy"... America needs all the energy it can create to charge batteries.

Desalination requires thermal energy (heat) which is a byproduct of converting chemical energy to electrical energy.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Desalination requires thermal energy (heat) which is a byproduct of converting chemical energy to electrical energy.

I guess they are developing some options... But, IDK

Desalination is an energy-intensive process, and the high electricity costs have similar economic implications
to fuel or other operational costs that cannot be amortized over the life of the project. The ability to bypass
these energy costs could potentially be critical for development. Companies and technology developers in the
marine energy space believe wave-powered desalination (Figure 7.1) may help address this issue.

https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2019/09/f66/73355-7.pdf