Still ttying to decide (Savage vs Savage)

[Cat64]

Tell me which would you chose from the following two rifles and why?

1) Savage 12 VAR LP 308 DBM or 2) Savage 12 BVSS 308 1/10" twist

I will probably shoot mostly steel and paper for up to 1k prone and from the bench. I want an accurate repeater, which will allow me to load easy a few rounds in the magazine (including the reloaded rounds which perhaps some will be seated not as deep) and good availability for replacing the stock.

 

[missed]

On my guns with magazines there drop boxes so the dBm gun has my vote there too.

The actions are the same. Both would be 4.4" screw spacing, I can't confirm if they would be top or bottom bolt release. I have a Choate tactical stock, Boyds Tacticool, and a MDT lss chassis. The first two stocks have been very nice from the bench and prone. If you're thinking about replacing the stock you may just want to pick up a hog hunter, swap the stock, barrel, and have every thing you want right off the bat.

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[billyburl2]

The model with the top bolt release is going to have the best after market support. If they both have top bolt releases, I would pick the model 12, because of the lighter trigger.

 

[Cat64]

Can please anyone confirm that the Savage 12 VAR LP 308 DBM has top bolt release. And if anyone has that particular model,what stock stock fits well. Any pictures would be appreciated.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I know you want to be able to rebarrel your own rifle but you are looking at 308's which basically run forever. Is the ability to change the barrel yourself if that day ever comes really worth figuring out what will fit what? With a Remington you have short action, long action, right hand, and left hand. No top bolt release, bottom bolt release, this action length, that action length. That's a lot of BS to contend with for no reward.

 

[etxccampbell]

have you looked at the model 10 fcp HS 5r.... mine shoots great!!!!

 

[Cat64]

I know you want to be able to rebarrel your own rifle but you are looking at 308's which basically run forever. Is the ability to change the barrel yourself if that day ever comes really worth figuring out what will fit what? With a Remington you have short action, long action, right hand, and left hand. No top bolt release, bottom bolt release, this action length, that action length. That's a lot of BS to contend with for no reward.

All good points. Yes I want to rebarrel my own rifle but I am really after is another switch barrel rifle. In other words I want to create a platform I like (I.e. Stock-action-scope) and then change any time I want.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

All good points. Yes I want to rebarrel my own rifle but I am really after is another switch barrel rifle. In other words I want to create a platform I like (I.e. Stock-action-scope) and then change any time I want.

As I highlighted in your other thread a Remington makes a better switch barrel rifle. Yes you pay a smith to chamber the barrel but once headspace is set it's set. You can swap barrels anywhere you have a barrel vise and action wrench, you can rig a barrel vise up to a trailer receiver and change in the field. No setting headspace, no messing with headspace gauges.

 

[shoots100]

As I highlighted in your other thread a Remington makes a better switch barrel rifle. Yes you pay a smith to chamber the barrel but once headspace is set it's set. You can swap barrels anywhere you have a barrel vise and action wrench, you can rig a barrel vise up to a trailer receiver and change in the field. No setting headspace, no messing with headspace gauges.

Your nose must be green. Didn't the OP ask a question about savages ?
Remington doesn't make a switch barrel, your smith makes it a switch barrel. A concept Remington doesn't understand.
What if the OP wants to switch to any other type of caliber ? With the rem SB, you'd have to have a smith chamber, fit and headspace the barrel, unlike a drop in savage. Same with the bolt face. Savage you can change, Rem you can't.
I know you think Remington 700 is the shit, but it doesn't compare to many other higher end rifle manufacturers, so give us a break please.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Your nose must be green. Didn't the OP ask a question about savages ?
Remington doesn't make a switch barrel, your smith makes it a switch barrel. A concept Remington doesn't understand.
What if the OP wants to switch to any other type of caliber ? With the rem SB, you'd have to have a smith chamber, fit and headspace the barrel, unlike a drop in savage. Same with the bolt face. Savage you can change, Rem you can't.
I know you think Remington 700 is the shit, but it doesn't compare to many other higher end rifle manufacturers, so give us a break please.

I don't even own a Remington so save the banter.

If the OP is happy with factory barrels he can buy a take off barrel and spin it right on. There barrels are all headspaced the same so they match up 99% of the time. Even simpler than a savage, it's a simple off and on to change calibers.

 

[BoilerUP]

Both the 12 VLP and BVSS are top bolt release actions; in fact, the barreled actions are nearly identical with the differentiation being stock and magazine type.

Having owned both types of stocks, the BVSS makes a great bench stock but I would say the VLP is probably better for bench and prone work...but that's just my opinion. Really depends on exactly what the OP wants.

 

[shoots100]

I don't even own a Remington so save the banter.

If the OP is happy with factory barrels he can buy a take off barrel and spin it right on. There barrels are all headspaced the same so they match up 99% of the time. Even simpler than a savage, it's a simple off and on to change calibers.

Take your own advice, Save your banter and stick to the OP's ?

 

[Cat64]

I don't even own a Remington so save the banter.

If the OP is happy with factory barrels he can buy a take off barrel and spin it right on. There barrels are all headspaced the same so they match up 99% of the time. Even simpler than a savage, it's a simple off and on to change calibers.

I never said anything about factory barrels. All I said was that I would like the ability to easily switch barrels (and calibers) any time I so desire with out going through a smith (including not in the beginning for headspacing). What I learned thus far points towards the Savage platform rather then Remington....and by that I am not in any way debating the proverbial Savage vs. Remington tug a war.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I never said anything about factory barrels. All I said was that I would like the ability to easily switch barrels (and calibers) any time I so desire with out going through a smith (including not in the beginning for headspacing). What I learned thus far points towards the Savage platform rather then Remington....and by that I am not in any way debating the proverbial Savage vs. Remington tug a war.

I'm not trying to start a savage vs Remington debate either, just pointing out the facts. I've had switch barrel remingtons and savages I've swapped barrels on and the remington can be a true switch barrel. When you have to pull out headspace gauges and set headspace it is no longer a true switch barrel rifle. Switch barrel to me means as few tools as possible, set it up with the same repeatable headspace and rezero.

To get said barrels you either need to run factory remington barrels and verify headspace the first time or to run blanks you need to have a smith set them up. Once it's set it's set though and changing barrels is a simple off and on.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I cast a second vote for the 12 BVSS .308 1:10" model.

Some years back I had a 112 BVSS .308 1:10" and it shot very nicely from prone and bench at 1000yd. Once I switched to .260, it still served a couple of years as our 'Newbie Loaner' for 1000yd F Class. Our new folks found it easy to shoot, and definitely not a disappointing castoff loaner. Unless you are non-typical tall/short, there should be no glaring reason to swap out the stock.

Greg

 

[Cat64]

I cast a second vote for the 12 BVSS .308 1:10" model.

Some years back I had a 112 BVSS .308 1:10" and it shot very nicely from prone and bench at 1000yd. Once I switched to .260, it still served a couple of years as our 'Newbie Loaner' for 1000yd F Class. Our new folks found it easy to shoot, and definitely not a disappointing castoff loaner. Unless you are non-typical tall/short, there should be no glaring reason to swap out the stock.

Greg

Thanks Greg,

I am still debating between a blind magazine or a detachable box. Pros....cons....? How is the Muller scope?

 

[LRJammer]

As I highlighted in your other thread a Remington makes a better switch barrel rifle. Yes you pay a smith to chamber the barrel but once headspace is set it's set. You can swap barrels anywhere you have a barrel vise and action wrench, you can rig a barrel vise up to a trailer receiver and change in the field. No setting headspace, no messing with headspace gauges.

Agreed.

I have learned my lesson with Savages. Never again. While the Remington is really nothing special, it is an order of magnitude improvement and can still be made to switch barrels with more options to boot. There is no down side to going with the Remington.

 

[pawprint2]

Your nose must be green. Didn't the OP ask a question about savages ?
Remington doesn't make a switch barrel, your smith makes it a switch barrel. A concept Remington doesn't understand.
What if the OP wants to switch to any other type of caliber ? With the rem SB, you'd have to have a smith chamber, fit and headspace the barrel, unlike a drop in savage. Same with the bolt face. Savage you can change, Rem you can't.
I know you think Remington 700 is the shit, but it doesn't compare to many other higher end rifle manufacturers, so give us a break please.

I believe your are talking about the ability to "swap" barrels, not a "switch barrel". How is the Savage more friendly to barrel swap than the Rem 783, other than the number of custom makers mfging Savage tubes? As I understand it, a Savage nut wrench fits the Rem 783, and some barrel makers are offering 783 "drop-in" tubes. Are all your comments ref Remington 700s? Or are they all Remington rifles as you've stated?

 

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