Stricter Gun Backround Checks

[ArcticLight]

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If you read the Federalist papers and the Constitution as well as many quotes by our forefathers you will see they did NOT want mentally ill people owning firearms.
Fast forward to modern day, I think the "reasonable person" clause would say "NO problem".
Does it solve anything? No, there are enough guns out there or maybe like this whack job they are whacked enough to wait 3-5 more days.

You draw a fine line though when you talk about mental illness and who qualifies.......the guy that beat his wife? Yeah, sure - hold his guns - oh wait we do that (permanently).
The Iraq/Afghanistan Veteran that goes to the VA for PTSD? - Sure, put a holding period on but where do you draw the line? 30 days? 60 days?
Any reasonable person would want those firearms away from those people.

This is the issue in America, family members need to be brave and stand up.

"Warning, this medication may cause suicidal thoughts".
How many times do you hear this?
How many other states have laws that REQUIRE you to medicate your kids if a teacher (With no medical background or training) deems your kid unruly and decides your kid has ADHD- This state does.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you read the Federalist papers and the Constitution as well as many quotes by our forefathers you will see they did NOT want mentally ill people owning firearms.
Fast forward to modern day, I think the "reasonable person" clause would say "NO problem".
Does it solve anything? No, there are enough guns out there or maybe like this whack job they are whacked enough to wait 3-5 more days.

You draw a fine line though when you talk about mental illness and who qualifies.......the guy that beat his wife? Yeah, sure - hold his guns - oh wait we do that (permanently).
The Iraq/Afghanistan Veteran that goes to the VA for PTSD? - Sure, put a holding period on but where do you draw the line? 30 days? 60 days?
Any reasonable person would want those firearms away from those people.

This is the issue in America, family members need to be brave and stand up.

"Warning, this medication may cause suicidal thoughts".
How many times do you hear this?
How many other states have laws that REQUIRE you to medicate your kids if a teacher (With no medical background or training) deems your kid unruly and decides your kid has ADHD- This state does. </div></div>

You got good points there Arctic. Like I said in a previous post this will never be a solvable situation.

You still racing bath tubs?

 

[Switchblade]

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"Jesus.....are you on Ritalin.

Naw it was really just simple questions. However I appreciate your <span style="font-weight: bold">conspiricy</span> theory and do think that It would make a great book.

55% <span style="font-weight: bold">roylity</span> for me due to <span style="font-weight: bold">origional</span> intellectual property.

And....begin" - Ringbearer -

1: 'Jesus...'
ad homonym attack propaganda

2: "Naw..."
ad homonym attack, red herring(book, conspiracy theory)propaganda

3: "55%..."
further proof of <span style="font-weight: bold">ignorance</span>, red herring, appeal to intellect propaganda

OP, if this is your version of 'intellectual property' you are more than welcome to it, and you offer nothing of validity or soundness to further your reasoning or premise. As I said earlier, you are ill equipped to argue these premises and have shown more than ample proof that my premise has merit.

Before you post an answer that will again be filled with unsound and invalid propaganda, I would suggest you take time to obtain and read in full, 'A Rulebook for Arguments' by Anthony Weston. It's not that it will equip you to properly lay out a propaganda free argument with valid and sound premises; it's that I do pity you as not being totally equipped to deal with this properly, and am offering a small amount of advise so you will not appear so ignorant.
My best advise is that you not attempt to argue any premise or point with me, unless you can empower it with sound, and valid premise to substantiate yourself. To carry on as you have will only further allow others to see your lack of ability to learn which will further the notion of your complete ignorance.
Remember, ignorance can be educated, which is what we are trying to do here for you. Stupidity, on the other hand, has no cure. If you continue to offer nothing of validity, or soundness, you will appear to not only be ignorant, but stupid as well.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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All that you have shown me is that you can type long paragraphs.

Your words mean nothing to me.

Now be a dear and go wash my car.

 

[milo 2.0]

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This fucking thread needs to die.

 

[bouvie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All that you have shown me is that you can type long paragraphs.

Your words mean nothing to me.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Now be a dear and go wash my car.</span> </div></div>Comments like these aren't going to endear you to anybody. If you want other members to engage you in meaningful dialogue , then it's best to refrain from petty and condescending words such as these. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Maggot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bouvie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All that you have shown me is that you can type long paragraphs.

Your words mean nothing to me.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Now be a dear and go wash my car.</span> </div></div>Comments like these aren't going to endear you to anybody. If you want other members to engage you in meaningful dialogue , then it's best to refrain from petty and condescending words such as these. But that's just my opinion. </div></div>
Seems this guy is much like a Timex watch..."Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin." even if the ticks are ...well, I cant quite put a lble on it...perhaps weak and erratic.

 

[KYpatriot]

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Some people can't accept the fact that they have been soundly defeated. Especially those with no understanding of logic or reason. Emotion is not argument, insult no defense. Switch, you could spend time explaining the various fallacies in ring's "reasoning" but it would clearly be a waste of your time, as his response will be somewhere along the lines of "I know you are but what am I?" Time is sometimes well spent on ignorant men, but never on men who cannot be serious and will be children until they die.

 

[ArmaHeavy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah I hear you guys talkin This reply is directed only to the guys who posted below....nobody else

It started out as a simple discussion. That was it.... a basic discussion.
Then you guys started the cheap shots, then double team & triple team.

Lets take a look at a few of your comments:

Get your balls back from your significant other

You are a Lemming
Then go buy some balls.

Have you been hanging out in the gym showers again?

You two are the spineless politician who will cave to the pressures of the masses like the cowards you/they are. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Really???

I am in my mid 50s. This is what I did all day yesterday.
I tried, I really tried. I looked everywhere but I didn't see any of you lil pussies. Must not have been able to find your....................balls



Wake up and get your head out of your ass.

Your original post sure made it sound like you'd take it like a coward. Now you think you have a spine?

I think you either lack principles or the willingness to stand on them

I'd revoke your firearms privileges and you'd lie down like a coward.


Ya Know..... again I looked all around but couldn't find you anywhere.. You lil pickle smokers must have been playin hide the salami with Ren-nay and Maggie

OH PS..This is where I do much of my work ......This is MORDOR.





Do what you're told son, and lick them boots.
You can't plan ahead (this thread is proof) because your head is up your ass.

but your more of an American than he is.

Sniff sniff....I smell a troll.

Apparently Ringbearers plan is capitulation.

Heads or Trolls.... Trolls it is!

How do I put this bozo on 'ignore'?

You fuck. You went off trolling and baiting everyone in this thread while having no fucking idea what you were even talking about.

You're nothing but a low-rent troll on the order of an anal polyp in terms of the evolutionary scale. No wonder your posts smell so badly.

Try to keep up, dumb-ass. 'And for future reference, make sure you know how to spell 'numb' before you call somebody else "num nuts," OK numb-nuts?

But you, seem focused on "Stupid."






I take all of your shit and then make you eat from the same plate that you were feeding me and you start crying like lil babies.
Wipe your nose little girls.

In closing.

I treat every body with respect. You will back track through the thred and see that everyone that spoke to me cordially I did so in return and enjoyed hanging out with you.

You will also not that after a while everyone that gave me shit got to eat that same shit.

After being told I would lay down like a coward , lick boots and surrender--- I am still here. Several of you are gone but I am still here.



I won't put up with your shit so you decide how you wanna play it.

Your move.
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I shall quote YOU in my response to YOU.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All that you have shown me is that you can type long paragraphs.

Your words mean nothing to me.

Now be a dear and go wash my car. </div></div>

 

[Ring Bearer]

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This reply is directed only to the guys who posted below....nobody else

 

[Maggot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This reply is directed only to the guys who posted below....nobody else
</div></div>An internet tough guy. Im impressed <span style="text-decoration: line-through"> not</span> .

[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/mHcS_ucQANc[/video]

Can I be on your list...please, pretty please with tough on top.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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The difference between you and me is I walk my talk.



PS wipe your nose

 

[Maggot]

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TTT

 

[High Binder]

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Guys...

 

[Ren]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ringbearer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The difference between you and me is I walk my talk.
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If you reflect in the thread, you were the first that started with the personal attacks. I asked very nicely for you to complete your profile, and instead of receiving anything meaningful, you replied with some gay porn. Nobody can have a meaningful disscusion with anyone that hides behind the keyboard.

As far as walk the talk goes. Out of all the pictures you have posted attacking others and trolling, you have yet to post one that has to do with shooting. You have yet to post anything productive on this site other than to come into Franks house and begin to talk shit. There are guys that have replied to you that have walked the talk... way more than I can imagine, you should show a little more respect and stop the personal attacks.

You said it Highbender. Im done contributing to this thread.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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Hiney Bender---You got a lil somethin on your nose.

 

[Maggot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys...

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this ones beyond troll, it has elevated itself to Zombie.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys...

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this ones beyond troll, it has elevated itself to Zombie. </div></div>

Agreed and if we stop feeding him he'll zombie over to AR15.com and feed there instead. Just put this guy on 'ignore' and let's move on.

 

[Maggot]

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If that you whats that on yor face..a Kotex?

 

[Maggot]

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Ignored, moving on and snappin in.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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Two more gone. Things starting to smell better already.

Ren..you and me have a chance to patch things up.

Your move

 

[Switchblade]

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I am done with this individual. He refuses to be educated as to his ignorance. He continues to offer nothing more of substance than ad homonym attacks on myself and others.
Your last reply to me was not only an ad homonym attack, but a weak attempt at insult. Me, I am walking away from this a far better man that you. You, sir, shall never measure up in the skirmish of words until you learn to think through your propaganda and unsound, invalid reasoning.
As to deeds, so you work with the Peace Corps or some other NGO, have at it. We have seen far worse than you can imagine, and if you consider that Mordor, what many of us have seen and been through would wreck you into a weeping lesser man on bent knee. I hope you find what you are looking for herein, and I hope you find everything you deserve. For a 50 year old man, you show a severe lack of ability to carry on worthwhile conversation. Carry On...

 

[SLINKY ERT]

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I've read through this whole post of vitriol. Can't say I'm proud of it, or a better person for it, but....

I think (now knowing where Ringbearer lives), he may have been trying to guage how members in other states would feel if they had the same (FUCKED UP, SHITTY) restrictions WE have for regulated firearms, or how they would react if told that there would be a nation-wide waiting period.

- No need to tell me one way or another, or tell me how unpatriotic I am for living here, blah blah blah. That ship has sailed. I think everyone knows where everyone stands.-

The thread just devolved into a piling on, patriotism questioning, dick measuring contest.

Only problem with dick measuring contests, is that no matter what, you're both staring at dicks.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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what many of us have seen and been through would wreck you into a weeping lesser man on bent knee.
__________________________

You have no idea what I've seen or where i've been. I didn't break there just like I didn't break here.



Three down.

 

[Ring Bearer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SLINKY ERT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've read through this whole post of vitriol. Can't say I'm proud of it, or a better person for it, but....

I think (now knowing where Ringbearer lives), he may have been trying to guage how members in other states would feel if they had the same (FUCKED UP, SHITTY) restrictions WE have for regulated firearms, or how they would react if told that there would be a nation-wide waiting period.
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Yes!!!!
Maryland sucks for gun control. Impossible to get a CCW.
7 day wait period. Pathetic. We are used to it and envy others states that have less restrictions.

 

[SLINKY ERT]

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I absolutely hate the waiting period. I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas morning. I am envious beyond words at states that can do the background check and walk out with the gun the same day.

One day I'll move to a more gun friendly state. For now, gotta fight the good fight here at home.

I got the gist of your thread topic. Perhaps the wrong arena.

 

[Switchblade]

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Three down? Really? I said I was done with you, not the idea and concepts you have presented. You are unworthy of further explanation or education.
There is no dick measuring when one individual uses nothing but propaganda to lay out premises which are both invalid and unsound. When ideology is presented with substantial fact that is both sound and valid, the true conversation comes easily and intelligently.
Any one of us who would be willing to wait an extended period of time for a firearm, when the authorization can come before one has completed the paperwork, only lends extra credence to the liberal biased slant that longer waiting periods actually DO something.(my experience here in TN in that I was STILL filling out the papers when the guy came back and said,It's good to go, I just need the completed papers)
What, if anything does a waiting period accomplish, except, waiting? Nothing in today's expeditious system where records are kept for crimes that an individual commits. In the legal system as it currently stands, this system is not broken, nor does it malfunction.
The systematic disregard for mental health issues being recorded and made available to these records is where the problem lies, but the proper solution is still not available. The problem with such a solution is where to draw the line on mental health issues. What level of severity would the line be drawn at? Would lower levels of slight trait be quantifiable, or would the system react to all issues the same way? These are only a few simple questions that need answering to fix this section of the system.
To enact a longer waiting period, regardless of personal tolerances, still has no real merit, or validity to solving anything. I would be safe in saying as well, that if an agitated individual went into a gun shop to buy a handgun or rifle, the seller would probably tell that individual to leave and come back after cooling off. Besides, the shop employees would all be in a stage III vigilance ready to slap leather due to that kind of behavior.
When we have a working instant system in place, there is no need for further waiting times. Remember, criminals do not wait.

 

[HBAM1]

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No mental health issues, ever...check
Able to pass Livescan,...check
Capable of paying up to $500.00 per yr to register semiauto firearm, rifles, pistols and shotguns...check

The process may be similar to what we have to go through out here to get a CCW.

If you can do the above, you will be fine.

 

[SLINKY ERT]

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Switch,

I agree with you. The waiting period is asinine and pointless. MD is too liberal a state to NOT do the waiting period though. Too many folks that like having their hand held by the govt.

I find the waiting period argument a waste of energy. How many of these murderers, like the guy at Aurora, VA Tech, or Sandy Hook didn't have time to plan and wait? They all did because they were determined. They waited until they were ready. A longer (or ANY) waiting period wouldn't change a thing. It's just "feel good" legislation for the masses.