Suggestions and equipment for torture test

[Dthomas3523]

So, shortly I will be receiving a Hoplite rifle to put through paces and see what it can do and what improvements (if any) could be recommended.

Looking for some input on what accidents or happenstances you have seen or have actually had happen to your or someone else’s rifle. Basically, any suggestions for tests or trials you’d like to see a rifle go through.

Keep it realistic (no “put pistol powder in the rifle case and see what happens” tests).

Also, if you or anyone you know has a rifle accessory product (scope, bipod, etc etc) or .260 ammo they would like run through some paces, feel free to PM me. As of right now, I’ll be running my personal equipment (and don’t have a problem doing so) on the rifle. If you have any equipment you’d like to send, I’ll inform you of any test prior to it happening for you to approve. All items will be returned unless otherwise agreed to.

So, let’s hear it. What would you like to see (reasonably) happen to a new rifle product to show its durability?

 

[Snipe260]

For hunting, 30 ft fall out of tree stand. Find a rocky cliff, drop it off. Sink action in mud and water. See if it fires. Extreme temp shooting! Dry hot condition shooting! That’s about all I can think of in hunting scenarios. Or, you could just send it to Larry!?

 

[Steel head]

Meh
Maybe dust it with some dirt, sand, mud and see how it does with some icing.
I’m confident it’s gonna shake of abuse and accidents well.
I’m confident my loads wouldn’t chamber in it unless it has a long freebore chamber.

 

[srt-4_uk]

Keep it realistic (no “put pistol powder in the rifle case and see what happens” tests).

Primal Rights did that with a Desert Tech in 338LM. Go for it.

 

[Ledzep]

Take it to Wyoming this spring/summer with a light film of oil.

 

[Steel head]

Primal Rights did that with a Desert Tech in 338LM. Go for it.

Meh
I’m confident Theis has already tested high pressure events well.
Not a valid test for a end user unless your a reloading retard.

 

[Steel head]

Take it to Wyoming this spring/summer with a light film of oil.

Probably better test in near to full rainforest conditions as well to see how it performs wet and covered in slug slime.
Drive to western Washington/Oregon I can happily provide testing areas

 

[goosed]

The optic/rings are the week point in most hunting falls or accidents not the thick chunks of steel on the action. So not much to test there other than paint/finish durability. Yet, someone some where will be upset if you don't at least scratch it.

Timney triggers are a known quantity so not much to test there. Yet, if you don't do a drop test anyways someone will whine. Trigger adjustments while in chassis?

Fine sand usually stops the trigger before most actions. Same with mud, but another feel good test for the masses.

Rain freezing on a rifle is tough to simulate. It's icicles building up over time that are issue. Water dumped onto the action and allowed to freeze into a thin sheet of ice isn't the same or even close, but what the hell another feel good test.

Whether the bolt can be made to bind at any point during the bolt throw will be of interest to some. Along the same lines bolt throw smoothness and force/effort comparisons are always hot topics on this site.

For me feeding reliability is usually the bigger issue. Does it pick up a round and eject regardless of speed/force used to run the bolt? Does force on magazine (front/back/up/down/side) cause any issues? Adjustments to magwell tightness correct or cause any feeding issues with/without pressure on mag? All of above with both AX and AW mags?

Since it is a propietary hand guard. Might as well see how much flex you can create when driving it and/or an attached bipod into barricades.

For posterity seeing some fired primers and cases never hurts though I don't know what good it does either.


hmmm... anything else... nope, guess that's all I got for now

 

[goosed]

I lied... one more thing...

Since they now make small primer 260 brass. Might as well test that as well so those concerns can be put to bed and avoid all the sleepless nights the pre-14 AI's stirred up with the 6.5 crowd.

 

[perttime]

There's some ideas in this video about a Sako Carbonlite rifle.



(the rifle functions and shoots just fine after the test)

 

[THEIS]

If you have any equipment you’d like to send, I’ll inform you of any test prior to it happening for you to approve. All items will be returned unless otherwise agreed to.

Hi,

Just to make things simple for you, lolol...
I pre-approve any test you desire, no need to ask beforehand, lolol.

We know there are a few things that need tweaks and in process of implementing those changes.

This testing facility will be conducting destruction testing in regards to pressures since they have more test equipment geared specifically to that than pretty much anyone else in the USA.
They also will be independently verifying MV in relation to pressures.

NTS | Testing, Inspection & Certification Services

NTS is the leading independent provider of environmental simulation testing, inspection, and certification services.

www.nts.com

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[LRI]

Go on a hunt in the Crazy Mountains (NE of Yellowstone in MT). Keep gun in the lodge/hotel. Keep it in the truck on the way out.

Make sure its a heavy snow fall morning.

Now go to work. When it looks like an artifact dug out of a glacier, your ready. (hot gun, heavy snow, and cold)

It'll be pass or fail.

We found the ceiling on our stuff pretty quick as a result of this. Corrections were learned and implemented.

 

[IW21]

So, shortly I will be receiving a Hoplite rifle to put through paces and see what it can do and what improvements (if any) could be recommended.

Looking for some input on what accidents or happenstances you have seen or have actually had happen to your or someone else’s rifle. Basically, any suggestions for tests or trials you’d like to see a rifle go through.

Keep it realistic (no “put pistol powder in the rifle case and see what happens” tests).

Also, if you or anyone you know has a rifle accessory product (scope, bipod, etc etc) or .260 ammo they would like run through some paces, feel free to PM me. As of right now, I’ll be running my personal equipment (and don’t have a problem doing so) on the rifle. If you have any equipment you’d like to send, I’ll inform you of any test prior to it happening for you to approve. All items will be returned unless otherwise agreed to.

So, let’s hear it. What would you like to see (reasonably) happen to a new rifle product to show its durability?

If you gotta ask "what can happen", "give me ideas", then you have zero reason to be testing anything, for anyone ?‍

 

[b6graham]

preface all tests with either 'watch this' or 'hold my beer' and you'll be guaranteed to break some shit, though not necessarily on the rifle

i might have mine take a venture up Mt. Washington just for fun

 

[kthomas]

I'm curious to see actual tests of small rifle primers and their reliability to ignite large powder columns in really cold weather. I haven't seen any real hard facts on this, but it's perpetuated by the anti SRP crowd.

May be difficult to test in Texas, perhaps freeze a bunch of ammo in a Yeti with ice.

 

[Steel head]

I'm curious to see actual tests of small rifle primers and their reliability to ignite large powder columns in really cold weather. I haven't seen any real hard facts on this, but it's perpetuated by the anti SRP crowd.

May be difficult to test in Texas, perhaps freeze a bunch of ammo in a Yeti with ice.

I could possibly see that in a short magnum or larger powder column but considering how well a regular large rifle lights off 60-65 grains I don’t see a small rifle primer struggling with 35-45 grains especially a #CCI450, my small rifle primer of choice.

 

[kthomas]

I could possibly see that in a short magnum or larger powder column but considering how well a regular large rifle lights off 60-65 grains I don’t see a small rifle primer struggling with 35-45 grains especially a #CCI450, my small rifle primer of choice.

Some people claim that 6XC, 6.5 Creedmoor, 260's, etc. with SRP's have issues in the cold.

I haven't seen any hard data to prove that, seems to be mostly conjecture.

 

[Steel head]

Some people claim that 6XC, 6.5 Creedmoor, 260's, etc. with SRP's have issues in the cold.

I haven't seen any hard data to prove that, seems to be mostly conjecture.

Didn’t lapua design the 6.5x47 with small primers?
They kinda know a thing or two about cold.

 

[kthomas]

Didn’t lapua design the 6.5x47 with small primers?
They kinda know a thing or two about cold.

I agree with you. I've personally never had issues with SRP's. Though it seems to be a common argument for the detractors.

 

[Steel head]

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

NTS facilities have climate chambers in which they can simulate pretty much any climate in the world, along with the ammunition testing equipment; so it would be a simple $4k test to dispel any issues of small primers having propellant ignition problems in whatever climate yada yada yada happens in.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[kthomas]

Hi,

NTS facilities have climate chambers in which they can simulate pretty much any climate in the world, along with the ammunition testing equipment; so it would be a simple $4k test to dispel any issues of small primers having propellant ignition problems in whatever climate yada yada yada happens in.

Sincerely,
Theis

I'll let the detractors pay for that

Hey @PracticalTactical, here's your chance to prove that SRP's don't work

 

[Steel head]

I'll let the detractors pay for that

Hey @PracticalTactical, here's your chance to prove that SRP's don't work

Lol
That dude is special!

 

[pmclaine]

Grab the pistol powder bottle off your bench and pretend its rifle powder.......


Edit/add. - Looks like I have to start reading the whole post.

Okay here is another suggestion......

Send it to Larry aka "GodDamnRight" and let him do the "break in"

 

[Dthomas3523]

If you gotta ask "what can happen", "give me ideas", then you have zero reason to be testing anything, for anyone ?‍

LOL.

You’ve apparently missed the whole hoplite including the hide on most things. This was just another inclusion.

Reading comprehension is apparently hereditary and skips a generation. ?‍

 

[Dthomas3523]

Also, for those who seem to think they are intelligent, agencies/departments circulate surveys all the time.

They ask for examples of scenarios where their equipment failed, what they’d like to see improved, etc etc. I have participated in many of them.

With social media being what it is today, crowd sourcing ideas/likes/dislikes is much more public and much easier.

In the past it was typically in house memos and eventually email. So only people in the circle knew about it.

So, asking for input on T&E has been going on forever. The ill informed are just now seeing it more publicly.

One of the biggest mistakes one can make is thinking you have all the knowledge and asking for input is a sign of incompetence.

 

[goosed]

One of the biggest mistakes one can make is thinking you have all the knowledge and asking for input is a sign of incompetence.

That can't be right...

The whole point of forums, blogs and Facebook (so basically the entire internet) is to prove your smarter than everyone else, isn't it???

 

[PracticalTactical]

That can't be right...

The whole point of forums, blogs and Facebook (so basically the entire internet) is to prove your smarter than everyone else, isn't it???

My fav is the guy with the highest post count (biggest mouth) must be therefore the smartest guy in the thread... Rarely the case.

My second most favorite is the voting system. If your post gets criticized by the masses you must therefore be wrong. Frequently not the case.

 

[Dthomas3523]

My fav is the guy with the highest post count (biggest mouth) must be therefore the smartest guy in the thread... Rarely the case.

Go back to making bipods with tent stakes. It suits you better.

 

[Steel head]

Go back to making bipods with tent stakes. It suits you better.

lol!

 

[PracticalTactical]

Go back to making bipods with tent stakes. It suits you better.

Too bad your too un-insightful to understand the point.

I'm sorry but... You're just a egotistical plate shooter and wouldn't know the first thing about what it takes to pound 15 shots in a row into a 1/2 MOA bull at 1000 yards for three days at a time.

If you did, you wouldn't be such an outspoken fool.

You're just full of yourself because you can hit a 3 MOA gong.... and that's good enough for you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but there is when you assume that's the only way to play.

 

[b6graham]

Too bad your too un-insightful to understand the point.

I'm sorry but... You're just a egotistical plate shooter and wouldn't know the first thing about what it takes to pound 15 shots in a row into a 1/2 MOA bull at 1000 yards for three days at a time.

If you did, you would be such an outspoken fool.

You're just full of yourself because you can hit a 3 MOA gong.... and that's good enough for you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but there is when you assume that's the only way to play.

you gonna be at Bergers demonstrating your bipod thing?

 

[want2learn]

I once witnessed a front sling mount break when the instructor was teaching us how to shoot downhill while pressing/loading the bipod onto a rail....i thought that might be something to look for if i ever purchased a new rifle.

 

[b6graham]

I once witnessed a front sling mount break when the instructor was teaching us how to shoot downhill while pressing/loading the bipod onto a rail....i thought that might be something to look for if i ever purchased a new rifle.

no sling studs on a Hoplite (or most precision rifles now a days)