Have a ? Ive had a couple of super sniper scopes and a friend recommended a millet tactical scopewhat what do y'all think. Don't have tha $ for a night force yet. But I'm having a gun built for long range, and want some good glass.
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Rifle Scopes Super sniper or Millet tactical
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Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
The glass on the SWFA is much better than the millet. I own a millet and a sfwa, while the millets are great for the money they dont compare to the value of the swfa.
The glass on the SWFA is much better than the millet. I own a millet and a sfwa, while the millets are great for the money they dont compare to the value of the swfa.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
Go all SS I have 3. 1 0n a M25/M14 variant; 1 on a Rem 700 PSS .308; and one on my Rock River LAR-8 .308. All comlete each rifle to a 1/2 MOA shooter with repeatablity and a decent low level light capability.
With SWFA you rally can't go wrong they are great bunch to deal with
Go all SS I have 3. 1 0n a M25/M14 variant; 1 on a Rem 700 PSS .308; and one on my Rock River LAR-8 .308. All comlete each rifle to a 1/2 MOA shooter with repeatablity and a decent low level light capability.
With SWFA you rally can't go wrong they are great bunch to deal with
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The one I had never got past 300. Never took it farther than that.
The one I had never got past 300. Never took it farther than that.
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10x is good for as far as the shooter can use it. some can take a 10x way beyond what others can. Its not always all about magnification.
10x is good for as far as the shooter can use it. some can take a 10x way beyond what others can. Its not always all about magnification.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
Definatly cant go wrong with the SS. I have had mine on my .308 for a couple of months now, and I love it. I havent shot it past 250 Yards yet but I can easily see where I am hitting on the target. The only thing I have had to do with the scope is grease up the rings in the knobs wich makes it much smoother and more audiable.
Definatly cant go wrong with the SS. I have had mine on my .308 for a couple of months now, and I love it. I havent shot it past 250 Yards yet but I can easily see where I am hitting on the target. The only thing I have had to do with the scope is grease up the rings in the knobs wich makes it much smoother and more audiable.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
Super Snipers are made in Japan, Millet are made in China enough said!
Super Snipers are made in Japan, Millet are made in China enough said!
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
No question whatsoever-SWFA SS!!!!
SS-well known solidscope, probably the best under 500 fixed scope in my opinion.
I'm partial to the 16X. I know 1000+ can be doen with a 10X, I just don't like doing it. SOme say the 16X is darker, but the three 16X SS's I've had gave absoultely nothing up to mu Leupy MK4 16X.
No question whatsoever-SWFA SS!!!!
SS-well known solidscope, probably the best under 500 fixed scope in my opinion.
I'm partial to the 16X. I know 1000+ can be doen with a 10X, I just don't like doing it. SOme say the 16X is darker, but the three 16X SS's I've had gave absoultely nothing up to mu Leupy MK4 16X.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
Well, let me add to the chorus: SS.
Have peered through a friends Millet, and I have a SS 3-9. Hands down I like the SS better. Glass, turrets, FFP. You can't go wrong with it.
Well, let me add to the chorus: SS.
Have peered through a friends Millet, and I have a SS 3-9. Hands down I like the SS better. Glass, turrets, FFP. You can't go wrong with it.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No question whatsoever-SWFA SS!!!!
SS-well known solidscope, probably the best under 500 fixed scope in my opinion.
I'm partial to the 16X. I know 1000+ can be doen with a 10X, I just don't like doing it. SOme say the 16X is darker, but the three 16X SS's I've had gave absoultely nothing up to mu Leupy MK4 16X. </div></div>
I agree 100% with sobrbiker on the SS scope itself and the 16x.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No question whatsoever-SWFA SS!!!!
SS-well known solidscope, probably the best under 500 fixed scope in my opinion.
I'm partial to the 16X. I know 1000+ can be doen with a 10X, I just don't like doing it. SOme say the 16X is darker, but the three 16X SS's I've had gave absoultely nothing up to mu Leupy MK4 16X. </div></div>
I agree 100% with sobrbiker on the SS scope itself and the 16x.
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I agree with everyone else--SS. My only complaint about the SS is the FOV (not comparing to a Millet... just in general). After spending time behind a NF and USO, the SS feels like looking through a straw. BUT, for the $$$, the SS is excellent!
I agree with everyone else--SS. My only complaint about the SS is the FOV (not comparing to a Millet... just in general). After spending time behind a NF and USO, the SS feels like looking through a straw. BUT, for the $$$, the SS is excellent!
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Super Snipers are made in Japan, Millet are made in China enough said! </div></div>
This used to be true, but I believe it's no longer the case and they're now made in China as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Super Snipers are made in Japan, Millet are made in China enough said! </div></div>
This used to be true, but I believe it's no longer the case and they're now made in China as well.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XxMerlinxX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Super Snipers are made in Japan, Millet are made in China enough said! </div></div>
This used to be true, but I believe it's no longer the case and they're now made in China as well. </div></div>
Negative
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XxMerlinxX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Super Snipers are made in Japan, Millet are made in China enough said! </div></div>
This used to be true, but I believe it's no longer the case and they're now made in China as well. </div></div>
Negative
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XxMerlinxX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Super Snipers are made in Japan, Millet are made in China enough said! </div></div>
This used to be true, but I believe it's no longer the case and they're now made in China as well. </div></div>
All SS scopes are made in Japan.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XxMerlinxX</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Super Snipers are made in Japan, Millet are made in China enough said! </div></div>
This used to be true, but I believe it's no longer the case and they're now made in China as well. </div></div>
All SS scopes are made in Japan.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
hate to be the only one, but i have a millett trs-1 and i had a ss10x. sold the 10x within a week. ask a few people about the warranty compared to millett. from what i found, you have to send the SS to bushnell for repairs. so far i havent heard an amount for repairs other than one guy saying it was a $200 replacement fee when he sent his in. now i have had bad luck with my first mil/moa millett as it did not meet advertised elevation travel. i shipped it to bushnell and spoke with repair and they agreed to send me a mil/mil in return after testing it fully. recently i bought a DMS-1 a 1-4x scope. it had a stiff zoom ring. sent it in and they sent me back a NEW in box DMS-1 with a buttery smooth zoom. quality has improved with the millett line i believe since bushnell took it over. warranty is fantastic if you need it.
my SS was not very impressive to me. overall it just had issues i didnt expect to run into. the actual brass turrets moved when you turned the knobs and had to be tightened into the body of the scope. there was a black sleeve around the turrets with the white index mark on it that wasnt secure as a result of the loose turrets. swfa could give me no info on repair costs, only to say i needed to speak with bushnell. it was bought for my 308 semi and it was easy to sell after comparing it to the DMS-1 side by side and thats a 1-4x. sold it without even mounting it.
compared to the trs-1, you just get more for your money that with the fixed SS. you get mil/mil, 4-16x50, illum reticle, better warranty. and more scope for $300. id buy another millett before i bought another SS. now maybe mine (the SS) was older and newer ones have gotten better, but ive had both side by side and the millett gets my vote hands down. its big and long. thats the only negative. but the SS just didnt impress me enough to keep.
hate to be the only one, but i have a millett trs-1 and i had a ss10x. sold the 10x within a week. ask a few people about the warranty compared to millett. from what i found, you have to send the SS to bushnell for repairs. so far i havent heard an amount for repairs other than one guy saying it was a $200 replacement fee when he sent his in. now i have had bad luck with my first mil/moa millett as it did not meet advertised elevation travel. i shipped it to bushnell and spoke with repair and they agreed to send me a mil/mil in return after testing it fully. recently i bought a DMS-1 a 1-4x scope. it had a stiff zoom ring. sent it in and they sent me back a NEW in box DMS-1 with a buttery smooth zoom. quality has improved with the millett line i believe since bushnell took it over. warranty is fantastic if you need it.
my SS was not very impressive to me. overall it just had issues i didnt expect to run into. the actual brass turrets moved when you turned the knobs and had to be tightened into the body of the scope. there was a black sleeve around the turrets with the white index mark on it that wasnt secure as a result of the loose turrets. swfa could give me no info on repair costs, only to say i needed to speak with bushnell. it was bought for my 308 semi and it was easy to sell after comparing it to the DMS-1 side by side and thats a 1-4x. sold it without even mounting it.
compared to the trs-1, you just get more for your money that with the fixed SS. you get mil/mil, 4-16x50, illum reticle, better warranty. and more scope for $300. id buy another millett before i bought another SS. now maybe mine (the SS) was older and newer ones have gotten better, but ive had both side by side and the millett gets my vote hands down. its big and long. thats the only negative. but the SS just didnt impress me enough to keep.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
Just ordered a SS in fixed 16x hope it works out for what Im going to use it for
Just ordered a SS in fixed 16x hope it works out for what Im going to use it for
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
I am sure you will be happy. Having shot both the SS and the Millet, I would say that the glass on the SS is slightly better.
I am sure you will be happy. Having shot both the SS and the Millet, I would say that the glass on the SS is slightly better.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
I really hessitated before I bought my first SS. But I now own 3. Two 16X and one 20X. Sure there are better scopes if you have $1500+ to spend. But I'd rather buy more rifles and more rifles and more, well you get the point. These scopes are crystal clear and they work. You just can't beat them for the money.
I really hessitated before I bought my first SS. But I now own 3. Two 16X and one 20X. Sure there are better scopes if you have $1500+ to spend. But I'd rather buy more rifles and more rifles and more, well you get the point. These scopes are crystal clear and they work. You just can't beat them for the money.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
I own a millett LRS and i believe it is a great unit for the price. I checked out the the SS scopes also and feel they are great for the price. But the LRS-1 with the 35mm tube does will for my poor eyesight in my opinion. maybe its just me but i prefer the Millett.
I own a millett LRS and i believe it is a great unit for the price. I checked out the the SS scopes also and feel they are great for the price. But the LRS-1 with the 35mm tube does will for my poor eyesight in my opinion. maybe its just me but i prefer the Millett.
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
Just got my 3-9 SS and can not wait to get it mounted...glass looks great
Just got my 3-9 SS and can not wait to get it mounted...glass looks great
Re: Super sniper or Millet tactical
I will say SuperSniper!!!!
I have tested 3 scopes side by side
1) NightFoce NXS 3.5-15x50, ill, $1700
2) Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40, ill, $1100
3) SWFA SuperSniper 10x42, $300
Clarity -
All are so very close I am going to declare no difference. Don't think this is just a looking at a human silhouette at 100 yards on a bright sunny day testing either. My test was a lot more extensive. I tested in low light conditions (dusk and under street lamps). also viewed objects with low contrast to see if I could tell a difference. If I had to split hairs then I will declare the NF the winner, but it is only slightly brighter than the Leupold and Leupold only slightly brighter than the SS. Again I am splitting hairs here. The SS under street lamps was hard to use because it does not have an illuminated reticle, but it's glass quality was really indistinguishable from the others.
Turrets -
My NF are nice, fast turrets and zero stop. The clicks are also very positive. The SS are not bad and also positive, but no zero stop option. The Leupold is slightly spongier than the SS, but still very doable. The SS not having a side focus made it a little tougher to focus, but not impossible and something you can easily get use to.
Reticles -
My NF has an MOA reticle with matching MOA knobs so it wins easily. Leupold has he TMR reticle, which I like a lot and actually prefer over the NF NPR reticle. However, the TMR is a Mil reticle and not MOA. My SS has a plain mildot reticle, not spectacular, but it works. What really sucks about both the SS and Leupold is that the math for them is a lot harder because of the MOA knobs with Mil reticle. Once you memorize a table though, it's not so bad and really no calculations needed. Tracking for all the scopes seems equal, that is 1 MOA adjustment is very close to 1 MOA.
Bottom Line -
I know it's not fair comparing expensive scopes with inexpensive scopes, variable mag to non-variable, 10x to 15x, illuminated reticle to non-illuminated. We all know who is going to win this comparison. However, I do think a comparison is needed to see how much you are getting for the buck. The NF though the nicest, will not make you a better shooter. The Leupold is a nice scope too, but it is way over price for something that does not have matching reticle with matching knobs. If you take away the features and the extras and just gauge on glass quality and tracking ability, I will say all are EQUAL.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Sorry to offend all the juice drinkers.</span>
Here are my rifles and scopes here:
AR-10 with Mark 4 on top, M14 EBR with SS on bottom
Savage 10FCP with Nighforce NXS
I will say SuperSniper!!!!
I have tested 3 scopes side by side
1) NightFoce NXS 3.5-15x50, ill, $1700
2) Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40, ill, $1100
3) SWFA SuperSniper 10x42, $300
Clarity -
All are so very close I am going to declare no difference. Don't think this is just a looking at a human silhouette at 100 yards on a bright sunny day testing either. My test was a lot more extensive. I tested in low light conditions (dusk and under street lamps). also viewed objects with low contrast to see if I could tell a difference. If I had to split hairs then I will declare the NF the winner, but it is only slightly brighter than the Leupold and Leupold only slightly brighter than the SS. Again I am splitting hairs here. The SS under street lamps was hard to use because it does not have an illuminated reticle, but it's glass quality was really indistinguishable from the others.
Turrets -
My NF are nice, fast turrets and zero stop. The clicks are also very positive. The SS are not bad and also positive, but no zero stop option. The Leupold is slightly spongier than the SS, but still very doable. The SS not having a side focus made it a little tougher to focus, but not impossible and something you can easily get use to.
Reticles -
My NF has an MOA reticle with matching MOA knobs so it wins easily. Leupold has he TMR reticle, which I like a lot and actually prefer over the NF NPR reticle. However, the TMR is a Mil reticle and not MOA. My SS has a plain mildot reticle, not spectacular, but it works. What really sucks about both the SS and Leupold is that the math for them is a lot harder because of the MOA knobs with Mil reticle. Once you memorize a table though, it's not so bad and really no calculations needed. Tracking for all the scopes seems equal, that is 1 MOA adjustment is very close to 1 MOA.
Bottom Line -
I know it's not fair comparing expensive scopes with inexpensive scopes, variable mag to non-variable, 10x to 15x, illuminated reticle to non-illuminated. We all know who is going to win this comparison. However, I do think a comparison is needed to see how much you are getting for the buck. The NF though the nicest, will not make you a better shooter. The Leupold is a nice scope too, but it is way over price for something that does not have matching reticle with matching knobs. If you take away the features and the extras and just gauge on glass quality and tracking ability, I will say all are EQUAL.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Sorry to offend all the juice drinkers.</span>
Here are my rifles and scopes here:
AR-10 with Mark 4 on top, M14 EBR with SS on bottom
Savage 10FCP with Nighforce NXS
