Suppressors suppressor cover

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a few people told me to put a cover over my suppressor so i wouldn't get burned when i let the gun go to transition to my hand gun, will this suppressor cover get the job done (link below) (sas2 model)? its rated to 1800 degrees and since I will be using it on a semi auto carbine i think it should be fine, how ever since i have zero (0) experience with suppressor covers i though i would ask before i buy, and past the find along to every one else

http://www.cstactical.com/Suppressor-Cov...ssor-Cover.html
 
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We told you NO in a different thread. These covers will melt eventually, making quite the mess.

Why are you asking the same questions in a new thread when you get an answer in a previous thread?
 
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Ok I'm somewhat of a new shooter so this may be an incredibly dumb question, but are you saying that this cover will eventually melt down because he's running it on a carbine platform? I checked his previous posts but I was unable to find the other thread anywhere. I'm in the process of getting an aac cyclone for my TRG22 and I was considering one of these covers. I'm assuming that these would be fine on a LR bolt gun right?
 
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The TAB SAS2 cover I mentioned in the previous thread was a recommendation based on my experience with them and not being familiar with the fact that Tony did NOT build them to withstand sustained semi-auto fire. Dutch405...the TAB SAS covers will work EXTREMELY well on a bolt gun like your TRG with a Cyclone!

I have no idea why James is asking this same question again, but using the TAB SAS covers on a USC/UMP clone or other semi-auto platform that sees sustained/rapid semi-auto fire is a NO-NO unless you want it melted onto your can! James...see here in your previous thread for the lengthy discussion on the SAS2 cover and it not working with your setup:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...635#Post2170635
 
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Here is what you could do if it is that bad (I don't think other shooters around you would be happy about it however).
Find a M240 barrel bag. I would cut a section out and use that for a cover. It is asbestous so you will need to take adequate safety precautions to sew it back up after cutting and such. After that you will have to take precautions on storage.
The good is that it will handle the heat!!!!!! The bad, is that it could cause issues with you and/or your family if you inhale some of the particles.
You also could cut up one of the asbestous M2 mits.

My suggestion would be to figure out a better way to sling your weapon on transition so that the suppressor is up against you.
Just my .02 and if you do mess with any of those asbestous items you need to be careful, follow all applicable laws and safety guidance about handling and use ie I assume no responsibility for you doing anything dumb!
 
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its rated to 1800 degrees their is no way a semi auto subgun suppressor should get that hot, no freaking way.


edit: and i read threw it so fast i didnt even know it was the tab one you where talking about. so my bad their, i though i came across something new thats why i made a new post about it
 
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I would call Tony at TAB and ask him. I have burnt one of mine on an AR10 before and it was not 1800 degrees. You can search around on silencertalk.com and see some pics of covers that melted due to someone dumping a mag thru a can with a cover. Its common knowledge, nothing new.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would call Tony at TAB and ask him. I have burnt one of mine on an AR10 before and it was not 1800 degrees. You can search around on silencertalk.com and see some pics of covers that melted due to someone dumping a mag thru a can with a cover. Its common knowledge, nothing new. </div></div>

ill do that, it may be common knowledge but its new to me, but thanks for the heads up, btw we are talking about a 45acp carbine surly its takes the suppressor a little longer to heat up then say an m4 ? is this though correct or ..?
 
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Yep. A rifle can should heat up faster then a pistol can. But I've shot a box of ammo thru my Kriss SBR and the can is not something I would touch at that point!
 
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I just saw this so I'll reply here so everyone can have the same information.

The inner material is rated for 1800 degrees working temperature. What happens though with the 5.56 rapid rates of fire is that the heat builds up so fast inside that the heat migrates through the inner material faster than it can dissipate to the atmosphere and will melt the outer Cordura covering.

If you're running 5.56 ammo in a rapid semi auto fire with no cooling in between mags you'll have your cover melting on the third mag, possibly after the second mag if you run it hard enough and then just sit the weapon down without removing the cover to let it cool down as the can temperature peaks before it begins to cool down.

I know of guys who run mags through their rifles and let the can cool down a bit in between mags and have not had any problem.

I know of two instances of .308 rifles that have melted a cover. One was on an SR25 and the shooter was someone who was told to go out and "test out the cover" He reported back that he melted the cover in 75 rounds. There was nothing scientific about this test at all so no one knows what the rate of fire was, but the guy in charge of the shooter wasn't impressed with what the guy did.

The second failure of a .308 rifle was under controlled conditions. The rate of fire was a round every two seconds until the cover failed which was 75 rounds.

These are the only two instances that I know of that a cover has failed until now I read of KYS338 having a problem with an AR10. I'd be interested in hearing what was going on when that happened.

The 5.56 is the hottest round that I know of, what with high rates of fire, shorter barrels, hotter round, and that's why we have the melting issues with the current construction. The covers as they're currently manufactured are to combat mirage, not as a heat shield. These two differences are a major thing. You've got to be careful not to use some kind of radiant barrier to hold the heat in because as you know heat is a by product of suppressed fire and if you don't let it go out somewhere your can will suffer damage.

I've talked to some people who have a lot more can experience than I'll ever have and they agree that a .45ACP should not generate enough heat to damage one of these covers.

Any more questions?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just saw this so I'll reply here so everyone can have the same information.

The inner material is rated for 1800 degrees working temperature. What happens though with the 5.56 rapid rates of fire is that the heat builds up so fast inside that the heat migrates through the inner material faster than it can dissipate to the atmosphere and will melt the outer Cordura covering.

If you're running 5.56 ammo in a rapid semi auto fire with no cooling in between mags you'll have your cover melting on the third mag, possibly after the second mag if you run it hard enough and then just sit the weapon down without removing the cover to let it cool down as the can temperature peaks before it begins to cool down.

I know of guys who run mags through their rifles and let the can cool down a bit in between mags and have not had any problem.

I know of two instances of .308 rifles that have melted a cover. One was on an SR25 and the shooter was someone who was told to go out and "test out the cover" He reported back that he melted the cover in 75 rounds. There was nothing scientific about this test at all so no one knows what the rate of fire was, but the guy in charge of the shooter wasn't impressed with what the guy did.

The second failure of a .308 rifle was under controlled conditions. The rate of fire was a round every two seconds until the cover failed which was 75 rounds.

These are the only two instances that I know of that a cover has failed until now I read of KYS338 having a problem with an AR10. I'd be interested in hearing what was going on when that happened.

The 5.56 is the hottest round that I know of, what with high rates of fire, shorter barrels, hotter round, and that's why we have the melting issues with the current construction. The covers as they're currently manufactured are to combat mirage, not as a heat shield. These two differences are a major thing. You've got to be careful not to use some kind of radiant barrier to hold the heat in because as you know heat is a by product of suppressed fire and if you don't let it go out somewhere your can will suffer damage.

I've talked to some people who have a lot more can experience than I'll ever have and they agree that a .45ACP should not generate enough heat to damage one of these covers.

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Yes, I was thinking of using ( sometime) my 45acp carbine (hk usc) in 3 gun matches (if they allow pistol caliber rifles) and after watching the magpul videos i can see where a cover would come in handy to keep me from getting burned when i went to secondary weapon, my carbine is semi auto but in the magpul videos those guys are really going threw ammo, I would hate to get a cover and spend the 60 something dollars only for it to fail on me and embarrass. Out side of that I really dont ever shoot so unless i take shooting classes i know the cover wont fail but at the same time i dont think i would need it if i dont take the classes so.
 
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Tony, I have quite a few of your covers.... we have talked on the phone a lot. While it was my fault for melting the cover I was shooting a course in Ohio and just didn't let it cool down enough in between stages. It melted the cover some but its still usable and I am not worried about it. I was just cautioning the OP that if you do use the cover you will have to let it cool off after a couple mags.

I think I have 25+ of your covers and slings and they all perform perfectly. I think the only hiccups we have had are in the USPS getting them to me
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Oh I knew it was you, I just didn't remember hearing about the cover problem.

I knew you were just throwing a caution out there, no worries at all. You are definitely the best civilian TAB GEAR customer we've got, and we appreciate it. Every time I see you buy a new rifle I know I'll be getting an order from you shortly.
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Now that we don't allow the USPS a chance of creating a cluster I don't think we've had any problems in a while.
 
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Tburkes, I just ordered a TBAC 30P-1 and was wondering if you have covers for that suppressor also?

All I saw on your site was for the SAS.

Thanks you,
Stefan
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tburkes, I just ordered a TBAC 30P-1 and was wondering if you have covers for that suppressor also?

All I saw on your site was for the SAS.

Thanks you,
Stefan </div></div>

They are made to order with the measurements you give him. Ive had everything from a M4-2000 cover made all the way up to a 50 BMG Cyclops cover.
 
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Happy Thanksgiving guys,

Stefan, you've made a mistake in reading the description. We came out with our covers before the cans did. Our covers are called the SAS1, SAS2, and SAS3, it stands for Suppressor Anti-mirage Shield.

SAS, Suppressed Armament Systems came on the scene after we had already been making covers. I think that might be leading you to think that that's all we make covers for.

Like KYS338 said, we make covers for practically any can. I've made covers as small as 1" in diameter and 5" long, to 2 5/16" in diameter and 21" long.

We've made lots of covers for the 30P-1. We'll be happy to make you one as well.

Don't get sick on turkey today.
 
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My son and I ran 40 rounds through the AR15 pretty quickly and the can and cover got plenty hot, but not enough to melt. Perhaps another 20 rounds would have melted it. But Tony told me in advance of buying the cover to give it a chance to cool between firings. I have run a couple hundred rounds through the 308 silencer over a couple hours and no problem with that rate of fire.
If the rate of fire is high enough to give concern just take off the cover and accept the mirage as a part of doing business.
I like my TAB stuff!
 
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Lets talk about this a bit more...

Covers are great for delaying the eventual temperature rise that will inevitably come from shooting more than a few rounds. They are for mirage, not for the sake of hands. For that brief period of time, covers work wonders and Tony's are nice! Mirage can be delayed using covers, longer with Tony's.

But, as any can designer will tell, those very same covers work against your suppression interests. Heat is the game in a suppressor. Stripping it off the projectile, delaying it, directing and...getting it to radiate out of the can is how the better designs keep the noise levels down. Aside from first round pop in some designs, the hotter a can gets, the less efficient at just about everything it does becomes...and then there are materials constraints where heat can compromise the can's integrity itself. In the very newest designs, T.H.O.R. is all about Thermal High Order Radiant...radiant....not retention. To get internal volume down, the better, lighter materials in, the heat has to get radiated. Covers are antithetical to those interests.

So, in the best of worlds, covers are for bolt guns that are not going to be run hard. Covers are for cans where the operator knows how hot the can gets without a cover...gets a few mirage free additional rounds out of the can...and then either lets it all cool down (MUCH longer with a cover on) or strips the cover off.

There were products that could take high volume can fire. Those products could be seen wrapped around high volume can designs ala Sionics, etc. They worked, they had to as that was a principle hold of the host. But, even those would not go past a point.

Yes....finger....got that...

P.S. That can makes any of the new dry .45 can sound loud. Take a high volume can, bring the baffle sets all the way up, have the advantageous of a fixed barrel and well, quiet like a hammer in wet mud at 30 rounds in 2.3 seconds. "Hearing safe" then meant a single round sent from behind a wood door would be quiet, not any cause of concern. But look at that thing!

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I didn't want to pay for a cloth cover, they also have the potential to slip and slide around, which is quite annoying when you're trying to change cans around. After some research I actually went with the cover from Bowers Group.

When I emailed them to ask if they had ever had one melt, the replied almost immediately, even on a weekend, and told me a story of a vet who had set out with the intent of destroying one and couldn't.

I bought mine directly from Bowers and it was at my doorstep QUICK. I have yet to test it myself so I'll withhold judgment until I do, but its definitely something to look into.

http://ustacticalsupply.com/556762suppressorcover95.aspx
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Happy Thanksgiving guys,

Stefan, you've made a mistake in reading the description. We came out with our covers before the cans did. Our covers are called the SAS1, SAS2, and SAS3, it stands for Suppressor Anti-mirage Shield.

SAS, Suppressed Armament Systems came on the scene after we had already been making covers. I think that might be leading you to think that that's all we make covers for.

Like KYS338 said, we make covers for practically any can. I've made covers as small as 1" in diameter and 5" long, to 2 5/16" in diameter and 21" long.

We've made lots of covers for the 30P-1. We'll be happy to make you one as well.

Don't get sick on turkey today.
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Aha!
Thanks for the information and yes it looks like I will be ordering a cover from you shortly.