And it takes a very small percentage of the total wait time for a can, so there’s really no reason to limit your choices to only those you can find locally.
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Suppressors - any good alternates to TBAC?
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Hi,
Thank you but it is not big deal really.
People come onto SH all the time and fall victim to thinking this forum has the same level of knowledge that other forums they were previously on and/or currently own; but SH is different in the fact that this forum has a deep deep deep knowledge base on pretty much everything you can imagine....especially firearms and EVERYTHING pertaining to firearms.
I call it the JAF Syndrome (Just Another Forum) in which people come onto SH with the perception their knowledge level above everyone else on the other forums will automatically follow them here. But that is not always the case. Big fish are not so big when they go from the bowl on the counter top to the Atlantic ocean.
Honestly this guys post would not even have caught my attention except earlier this week he attempted to intervene into another thread to "debate" what I was saying and sadly it was on a topic that I know more about than pretty much anyone on this forum since I wrote, audited and investigated on a Domestic and International level the regulations he was attempting to talk about, lolol
Any other forum and the chances of him running into someone with enough knowledge to discuss such topic with him on such a deep level are pretty much Nil.
Sincerely,
Theis
Personally, I think the Dead Air KeyMo system is superior, but we could argue semantics all day long.
JAF <<<< Love it, but seriously, people need to learn to be a bit more respectful. The internet age has ruined a lot of folks. Keyboard warriors if you will. I can cut up with the best of them, but at the end of the day I'd happily spend a meal with most of the people here. Hell, even the guys that have gone out of there way to be an absolute dick. Most of them wouldn't dare act like that in person. Take going out to a match, 99.9% of the people you run into are polite, respectful, and most of all helpful. That "internet" type of behavior wouldn't fly out in the field.
So glad I came back. @THEIS is a spammer. Who knew?!?!?! Hahahahahahahaha
If so, he’s the baddest assed spammer on the planet. He spams the spammers.
If so, he’s the baddest assed spammer on the planet. He spams the spammers.
I reformatted what I wrote right before hitting post and it reads like shit. My bad. The tbac is a benchmark for good suppression and very light weight, which was what i was trying to address in the OP’s comment.
I like keymo, its a cool design. For my needs though its long, heavy, and expensive.
I agree, but I love the muzzle brake on my precision rifles. Their 3 chamber KeyMount and the JMac Customs 4-chamber KeyMount (licensed by Dead Air) are amazing for recoil mitigation. My .260 with max charges of powder behind Berger 153.5's is like I'm shooting a .223...Just nothing. Plus, the repeatability, and ability to simply screw on any Dead Air can that has a KeyMo setup makes it really nice, too. So if your buddy has a different can than you do, and he's also running a KeyMo setup, you can try his can on your rifle, and swap around, and see if one works better for you than the other, or try it out to see if you want to buy one of those as your next can. It makes the whole process just convenient.
Just personal opinion.
How is the “negative” of having to run TBAC mounts on everything any different than running keymo mounts on everything?
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It's not, if you start out that way, and only plan on running TBAC suppressors. But if you plan on running other suppressors, you will want ones that use the new standard 1.375x24 threads to allow you to use pretty much ANY other mounting system. I'm not saying specifically KeyMo. Most all the other brands of suppressors are running 1.375x24 threads, as well.
Why do people use the thread adapter like the area 419 adapter instead of just using the factory direct thread mount. I could see why if you are changing thread sizes like going between 1/2-28 and 5/8-24. But if all your guns are 5/8-24 what do you really gain?
The ability to use their hellfire brakes when you aren’t using a suppressor.
Gotcha that makes sense. I just figured once you started using a suppressor you wouldn’t want to shoot a brake anymore. I guess if you’re competing a brake might be better for spotting shots.
I didn’t read most of the replies, so I apologize in advance.
I own almost 30 suppressors at this time. OSS, Dead Air, Vox, KAC, Silencerco, etc…
My current favorite is the AB Suppresors Raptor 8. At a hair over 9 ounces it’s EXTREMELY light. It’s also extremely quiet and ship very fast from the manufacturer.
Not only is the design noticeably quieter than most other cans out there, but it also comes with a flush fit direct thread end cap, AND your choice of 3” or 5” reflex section which goes over the barrel to simply increase volume and not add length. I HIGHLY recommend looking into them. On par with prices from other brands, just not as big of a following yet.
Biggest downside? It’s not QD. However, I’ve found the my Sandman S is now sitting on a work bench with no use and I run the AB on most of my bolt guns as well as a 12.5” 6.5cm used for hunting. Originally I was going with the Nomad LT as many suggested, but the AB just beat it out for my needs.
That said I’m not a big fan of brakes, but the Raptor did a great job of taking recoil into the push feeling. Staying on target is very easy and it’s VERY pleasant to shoot.
I own almost 30 suppressors at this time. OSS, Dead Air, Vox, KAC, Silencerco, etc…
My current favorite is the AB Suppresors Raptor 8. At a hair over 9 ounces it’s EXTREMELY light. It’s also extremely quiet and ship very fast from the manufacturer.
Not only is the design noticeably quieter than most other cans out there, but it also comes with a flush fit direct thread end cap, AND your choice of 3” or 5” reflex section which goes over the barrel to simply increase volume and not add length. I HIGHLY recommend looking into them. On par with prices from other brands, just not as big of a following yet.
Biggest downside? It’s not QD. However, I’ve found the my Sandman S is now sitting on a work bench with no use and I run the AB on most of my bolt guns as well as a 12.5” 6.5cm used for hunting. Originally I was going with the Nomad LT as many suggested, but the AB just beat it out for my needs.
That said I’m not a big fan of brakes, but the Raptor did a great job of taking recoil into the push feeling. Staying on target is very easy and it’s VERY pleasant to shoot.
Call Mike High and find a local dealer with a Silencer Shop kiosk to help with your transactions. They will be able to assist with your prints, paperwork, and a trust for your elk slayer as well.
TB 7, Dominus, or 9 are all solid choices. You mentioned ordering two (7&9), which I always recommend due to the wait. Throw in a .22 takedown if you can swing it.
A pair of Dominus suppressors will cure you situation. Best of luck with your quest. It is too bad everyone can’t run suppressors.
TB 7, Dominus, or 9 are all solid choices. You mentioned ordering two (7&9), which I always recommend due to the wait. Throw in a .22 takedown if you can swing it.
A pair of Dominus suppressors will cure you situation. Best of luck with your quest. It is too bad everyone can’t run suppressors.
I can help by telling you I love my Silencerco Hybrid 46. It works great on any caliber from 22 up to 45/70.
I use it often on my 22 Hornet and my .223 and will get my barrel threaded on my 3006 soon . I can't help you on recoil issues . But I really like the easy on / off of the Hybrid 46. I use it on my 9mm pistols too .
I really like my Griffin 30 sd K ... but it's the only can I've ever shot. It's comfortable to shoot hogs with no ear pro. I've noticed no degradation in accuracy with or without the can on. thinner barrels have a bigger POI shift, as the weight causes them to bend a bit. virtually no POI shift on my heavy profile 16" barrel. Just check your zero and adjust your scope with the can on, it's really simple.
I like the gate lock qd and now I have a Griffin muzzle device on almost all my rifles.. and it discourages me from buying more cans, I'm not sure if that's a + or a - but it saves me money.
check out https://pewscience.com/ they haven't tested many cans yet but the CGS Hyperion appears to be the current winner on sound mitigation.
The AB suppressors someone mentioned above look very interesting. With a gas gun, a low back pressure can like AB or OSS should mean cleaner running and less gas in your face, but an adjustable gas block kinda takes care of that too.
I like the gate lock qd and now I have a Griffin muzzle device on almost all my rifles.. and it discourages me from buying more cans, I'm not sure if that's a + or a - but it saves me money.
check out https://pewscience.com/ they haven't tested many cans yet but the CGS Hyperion appears to be the current winner on sound mitigation.
The AB suppressors someone mentioned above look very interesting. With a gas gun, a low back pressure can like AB or OSS should mean cleaner running and less gas in your face, but an adjustable gas block kinda takes care of that too.
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So as cans go the Hybrid ends up being the Jack of All Trades. While it does everything, its really not the best at any. Not a knock on the can at all, just a statement. Just like many things in life, its a compromise and while you lose some feature/function in one spot you gain it in another.
I had Ecco Machine remanufacture a Form1 and then purchased another with a Form4. If it's your first can you won't get better advice from a manufacturer than you do from Nick. He'll listen to your need and match something that works. As others have said, the dealers can transfer locally to your area using a Form 3 which will add a few weeks to the acquisition time. I'd reach out to Nick on facebook. BTW this is not an ad. This is a testimonial. I don't work for Ecco nor get compensation for recommending.
I know this forum is mostly for long range shooting and they aren't made for that, but I got to say out of all my suppressors I love my OSS rifle can the best. The flow through design makes for significantly less back pressure and gas in the face on any semi automatic which is extremely noticeable in any high round count drills/competitions.
Also I want to support a company doing something diffrent with their cans. Baffled designs have been around forever and work well, but the only way we are going to see innovation in suppressors is if people try and buy the new designs. Maybe that's not what you want to hear for your first suppressor, but if I could only have 1 can it would be an OSS.
Also I want to support a company doing something diffrent with their cans. Baffled designs have been around forever and work well, but the only way we are going to see innovation in suppressors is if people try and buy the new designs. Maybe that's not what you want to hear for your first suppressor, but if I could only have 1 can it would be an OSS.
Unless you plan on getting multiple cans, get direct thread, get .30 cal can.
Cheapest, easiest, most compatibility. Give up some decibels, but worth it IMO. Not a fan of any connectors. I don't shoot centerfire without a can at all anymore
SiCo Omega is very good. TBAC Ultra series is the gold standard for bolt guns. Can't comment on the newer stuff.
Cheapest, easiest, most compatibility. Give up some decibels, but worth it IMO. Not a fan of any connectors. I don't shoot centerfire without a can at all anymore
SiCo Omega is very good. TBAC Ultra series is the gold standard for bolt guns. Can't comment on the newer stuff.
You don’t really give up that many decibels. Testing has shown that.
just got my OSS HX-QD 762 this morning, looking forward to shooting it this weekend
The only silencers I have experience with that are a viable alternative to TBAC is the Energetic Lux and the Dead Air Nomad Ti or LT. We have been receiving the KGM products for customer transfers and they certainly look and feel like a quality silencer, but I have haven't shot one yet. We are expecting TBAC Ultra 7 and 9 .30 calibers in the next week or so, just waiting on form 3 to clear. We do have TBAC Ultra 7 an 9 6.5mm versions in stock now.
You are correct , but when you look at the actual difference in decibels between them all in most cases you can't tell the difference. Especially in hunting , it's not so much that it's super quiet on a centerfire as it's the change of tone , coyotes don't immediately recognize the sound as a shot because they are not used to that noise . I run a Sparrow on my 22 stuff and I can't tell the difference between other brands when we shoot . However the hybrid 46 does make my 22 Hornet very very quiet vs the sparrow. If I was hunting people who are hunting me it would be different however ! Lol
Pretty much all my shooting is one and done on varmints , but a few times a year I get multi kills , the suppressor really helps .
I know they are not the latest high speed low drag kid on the block right now but we are running 5 of the Omega 300s across multiple guns used as loaners and demos with excellent results. The accuracy and consistency are excellent across a huge spectrum of usage for us. Note that we are running the ASR factory adapters with zero issues after 4 years of use on 5 cans.
We get to see a lot of brands and models of cans come through classes so we get to see what is working. I wanted to choose 1 make to run across all of our rifles so I started paying more attention.
If I see 1 or 2 cans that work great but do not see them in quantity, I do not think that 1 or 2 sample has any statistical weight in my decision on what cans I was going to buy. We kept seeing the SiCo Omegas (and now the 36M) along with the TBAs in large quantities. These two brands seemed to be substantially more abundant than any of the others across large sections of users from different geographies and dept size. Both brands stood out in that they were trouble free and performed very well. This fact led me to order several of the SiCos and also still fuels the fact that I have been only recommending the SilencerCo and ThunderBeast Arms cans when somebody asks for my opinion before purchasing cans.
I'm sure there are a bunch of good ones besides these two out there but again, just my little world sees these leading the way in large numbers.
So..... per the above, if you aren't going to go TBA, I would feel very comfortable telling you to seriously look at the SiCo Omega or 36M.
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Agree on all points. I may have already said this in this very thread, but if the owner doesn't want the ASR w/brake, they can sell it off for a couple hundred bucks, which makes the Omega the performance bargain above all others.
Honestly I haven't heard a suppressor that wasn't a major improvement over a bare muzzle, so any suppressor is a step in the right direction! But my real point was just that the do all suppressor won't perform as well as one that is optimized for a certain caliber, or weight, or size, or price, or material, etc.
