Supreme Court aint Suppressor Friendly

[nn8734]

So heres my question for you sir, First off I am 100% pro gun I just want to say that. I placed my foot in my mouth by my first statement. what would you guys rather have to receive a suppressor? Just a 4473 (CCWL) and be on the way? I am asking because I want to know

And here’s my response: I walk into my favorite gun store. I see suppressor (lets says it’s a KAC QD SS NT4). I tell salesman I want it. Salesman says “ok it will be $1450 plus tax”. I say great, pay at the register and walk out with my NT4.

Clear enough? Any other questions?

Oh, and you are not even 1% pro gun. Your initial statement was much more than a case of foot-in-mouth. It was a declaration as to where you really stand.

 

[jaywhite97]

And here’s my response: I walk into my favorite gun store. I see suppressor (lets says it’s a KAC QD SS NT4). I tell salesman I want it. Salesman says “ok it will be $1450 plus tax”. I say great, pay at the register and walk out with my NT4.

Clear enough? Any other questions?

Fair enough,

Thanks for the reply. I get it and I apologize. I promise you I stand on the right side.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Fair enough,

Thanks for the reply. I get it and I apologize. I promise you I stand on the right side.

Frankly, any restrictions or hurdles or anything really other than you paying for one and leaving the store with it, is not acceptable. This isn’t about saving lives or any of that. It’s about control, plain and simple. There are all kinds of things that kill more people each year than guns and certainly far more than guns with suppressors. I say we outlaw gov and get back to the basics. They have clearly already overstepped their bounds due to some previous generations being lazy. Anyone willing to give up freedom for security deserves neither. Sound familiar to anyone? I’d agree with that succinct statement 100%.

I also want to point out, that even in countries that have much harsher gun laws than we do, one can simply go in and buy a suppressor and walk out with it. They aren’t treated like top secret ninja killing devices like our media likes to make them to be. You can buy a suppressor in England and leave with it that day and they have super strict gun laws and no 2A!!!!! So in what universe does it make sense that we need to pay $200 and go through all of these hurdles for what is essentially hearing protection?

 

[kriller134]

No! If they are going to be that mulish about what the 2A protects then I’m going to be just as bullheaded about what it says we don’t have to go through either. It doesn’t say anything about having to go through background checks. It’s a God given right, anything the government does is trying to undermine a natural right, period. Do I have to go through a background check to drive a car, buy alcohol, pick up drugs from the pharmacy, etc.? Do I have to go through a background check to exercise fee speech? It’s arguably just as dangerous. I can go on. Give them an inch they take a mile. We could agree to that and I’m sure somehow they would backpedal and we would lose more than we gained.

I get what you’re saying and thank you for the reply and I agree with what you say. I guess getting ass raped by the state of California for my entire adult life has made me lose perspective. If a few weeks, gun owners here are gonna get another ass raping in terms of ammo background checks. It’s truly a fucked up state I live in and I wish I could just pack up and leave.

 

[nn8734]

If a few weeks, gun owners here are gonna get another ass raping in terms of ammo background checks. It’s truly a fucked up state I live in and I wish I could just pack up and leave.

That sucks, man. The people’s republic is getting worse and worse and I fear some of that may make its way across the border (I’m in NV).

What if you start reloading? Perhaps avoid their commie checks?

 

[SilentStalkr]

I get what you’re saying and thank you for the reply and I agree with what you say. I guess getting ass raped by the state of California for my entire adult life has made me lose perspective. If a few weeks, gun owners here are gonna get another ass raping in terms of ammo background checks. It’s truly a fucked up state I live in and I wish I could just pack up and leave.

I understand. Not so easy to pick up and leave! Not a good strategy anyways because if it keeps spreading you won’t have anywhere to run to. Best to stay and fight there. Maybe run for office. Help educate others, etc.

 

[kriller134]

That sucks, man. The people’s republic is getting worse and worse and I fear some of that may make its way across the border (I’m in NV).

What if you start reloading? Perhaps avoid their commie checks?

I reload for all calibers that I shoot. I try to talk people into it, but a lot of people are too lazy to do it. I’m hoping that they will get it one day, but so many people here are so used to taking a beating that they’ll just put up with this bullshit. The law is also unenforceable, so I have a feeling people are going to be making road trips.

 

[Precision Underground]

I didn’t read the whole thread but am I the only one that is noticing the extreme coincidence that the first time in my lifetime that I can remember “silencer” being in the headlines as used in major crime was a couple of weeks before a Supreme Court opportunity?

 

[ArmyJerry]

funny how that works, I am still not sure there was a silencer involved

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I don't think anyone has covered this yet, and I may get a few things wrong so bear with me and feel free to correct me.

Ok. Everyone says abolish the NFA and we will subject ourselves to universal background checks.
We already have more background checks than the 2A allows to be "checked".
If you abolish the NFA, you also need to abolish 1986 FOPA, if you don't abolish both it will be pointless.
Deregulating suppressors is something that should have taken place in 2016. It is a hearing protection device, nothing more. As has been stated, anywhere you can own a gun anywhere else in the world, you can buy a suppressor in s hardware store. I believe it's Finland that actually requires you to have a suppressor on a firearm.

Back to universal background checks. So you abolish NFA, for universal background checks. That is a negative EV(earned value) for gun owners. If I want to sell my suppressor, the person I sell it to must go through all the hoops just like anyone buying new. Same with SBR transfer, or FA transfer.
What was gained?
Except now you have to go through more red tape to transfer a #1 Ruger single shot.

They aren't going to rescind the NFA, or FOPA.
If they didn't rescind Obummacare, with over half the country screaming for them to do so, a law many admitted was garbage, it's clear they will not be abolishing ANY law once it's on the books.

The NRA? What a joke. We had the end of suppressors being on the NFA in our grasp. The NRA snatched defeat from the jaws of victory on that one. The HPA will remain dead at the Senates fat, edema riddled feet.
Bastards all. You don't compromise with them, they don't understand the term to begin with.
They aren't interested in restoring freedom, they are interested in their pocket book.

There are likely a few exceptions in our representatives, but their voices are mouse squeeks among the roar of dieing liberty.

 

[Maser]

I'm pretty sure it's Norway that requires all long guns to be suppressed.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

I'm pretty sure it's Norway that requires all long guns to be suppressed.

Finland, Norway eh, same thing ?

 

[BigTex]

@ArmyJerry @j-huskey Ok, radio guy was flat out wrong. They claim they are accessories and are not protected under common use. That’s a BS and terrible argument. How many have to be out there before they are considered common use? Going by that logic nothing other than the firearm itself is protected, even down to the sights or the trigger as they could be labeled accessories. And, considering the amount of forms submitted for suppressors in the past decade you’d have a damn hard time convincing me that they aren’t common use!

Redirect Notice

If that's the case why do I have to fill out a 4473 to buy a suppressor? Suppressors are classified as firearms as far as I know.

 

[Maser]

Finland, Norway eh, same thing ?

 

[SD Carpenter]

For everyone not in a place like California... Support us by buying another supressor we will never have tomorrow!

 

[SilentStalkr]

I didn’t read the whole thread but am I the only one that is noticing the extreme coincidence that the first time in my lifetime that I can remember “silencer” being in the headlines as used in major crime was a couple of weeks before a Supreme Court opportunity?

No sir, you aren’t the only one. This kind of thing has happened many times over and will likely happen again. I don’t believe any of it is coincidence but none of us can prove otherwise and until we can do so, they will keep doing it.