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If you want an SVD, $850 seems like a good price. If you want a ~.30 semi-auto precision rifle I would look at something else.
Look on gunbroker, SVD's go for at least $1000 usually much more.
If you want an SVD, $850 seems like a good price. If you want a ~.30 semi-auto precision rifle I would look at something else.
Look on gunbroker, SVD's go for at least $1000 usually much more.
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Your not going to get a real SVD for anywhere close to that price.The Romanian guns they are passing off as Dragunov's are not inthe same relm of quality.Not saying they are bad just no where near the real thing.
Your not going to get a real SVD for anywhere close to that price.The Romanian guns they are passing off as Dragunov's are not inthe same relm of quality.Not saying they are bad just no where near the real thing.
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If that's a real SVD it's a steal, however I bet it's a PSL they are marketing as a "Romanian SVD" or something like that. If it's a PSL 850 is a rip, you can get them for 600-700 all over the place.
If that's a real SVD it's a steal, however I bet it's a PSL they are marketing as a "Romanian SVD" or something like that. If it's a PSL 850 is a rip, you can get them for 600-700 all over the place.
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The one at the top is a Chinese svd in 308 middle is a Romanian psl and on the bottom is a yugo m76. The svd's run from 3k to 8k depending on where they came from and caliber. the Russian tiger hunting carbines can be had for less than that 2 to 3k. The carbines will have a shorter barrel and will be marked tiger on the side and have a milled receiver like the military svd. The psl has a stamped ak like receiver with non adjustable gas system chambered in 7.62x54r and can be bought from 530 dollars to 900 depending on where you get them. The m76 is also on a milled receiver and is chambered in 8mm mauser has an adjustable gas system like the svd.
The one at the top is a Chinese svd in 308 middle is a Romanian psl and on the bottom is a yugo m76. The svd's run from 3k to 8k depending on where they came from and caliber. the Russian tiger hunting carbines can be had for less than that 2 to 3k. The carbines will have a shorter barrel and will be marked tiger on the side and have a milled receiver like the military svd. The psl has a stamped ak like receiver with non adjustable gas system chambered in 7.62x54r and can be bought from 530 dollars to 900 depending on where you get them. The m76 is also on a milled receiver and is chambered in 8mm mauser has an adjustable gas system like the svd.
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Hello all,
My understanding that the actual SVD rifle is about $5000 for the Russian Tiger, these, as I understand it, are the actual SVD's...... If you are looking for a PSL go to http://www.classicarms.us/ At the bottom they are selling the Romanian PSL for $600, includes X-tra mag, scope, case and manual. These are Romak3 rifles they are OK but not the best..
Be careful if you see a Chinese version most do not have the bolt and is impossible to find bolts for them....
If I where you I'd save my money and get a AR10 Classic also has these (DPMS) for $900.... Just my 2 cents
Hello all,
My understanding that the actual SVD rifle is about $5000 for the Russian Tiger, these, as I understand it, are the actual SVD's...... If you are looking for a PSL go to http://www.classicarms.us/ At the bottom they are selling the Romanian PSL for $600, includes X-tra mag, scope, case and manual. These are Romak3 rifles they are OK but not the best..
Be careful if you see a Chinese version most do not have the bolt and is impossible to find bolts for them....
If I where you I'd save my money and get a AR10 Classic also has these (DPMS) for $900.... Just my 2 cents
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The russian tigers are only the same in that they are made in the same factory as the military ones were. The tigers will not have an adjustable gas system nor flash supprsor ditterent sights only going to 300m, and the stocks will be differnet.Only around 200 original russian svds not tigers were ever imported into the us.
Photo of a russian tiger from dragunov.net
I know a lot of the bad reviews of the svd's in 54r come form not using the right ammo with the gun. The russian svd in 7.62x54r is designed to shoot 7n1 ammo or 7n14 sniper grade ammo. I don't have an svd in 54r yet but I do have the ndm-86 in 308 and the thing is a tack driver using 168grn sierra match kings with 41.5 grains of imr 4895.
20 shots out of my ndm in 308 at 113yds using a 8x42 scope.
I know that my psl will alwyas shot around 2 moa at 100yds using 1950's bulgarian surplus ammo. Some who reload for it are getting quite better groups than that. I plan to eventually start reloading for it but haven't gotten around to it yet. I will say that my psl out shot my standard grade m1a before I worked on it out of the box, and they are about half the cost.
The russian tigers are only the same in that they are made in the same factory as the military ones were. The tigers will not have an adjustable gas system nor flash supprsor ditterent sights only going to 300m, and the stocks will be differnet.Only around 200 original russian svds not tigers were ever imported into the us.
Photo of a russian tiger from dragunov.net
I know a lot of the bad reviews of the svd's in 54r come form not using the right ammo with the gun. The russian svd in 7.62x54r is designed to shoot 7n1 ammo or 7n14 sniper grade ammo. I don't have an svd in 54r yet but I do have the ndm-86 in 308 and the thing is a tack driver using 168grn sierra match kings with 41.5 grains of imr 4895.
20 shots out of my ndm in 308 at 113yds using a 8x42 scope.
I know that my psl will alwyas shot around 2 moa at 100yds using 1950's bulgarian surplus ammo. Some who reload for it are getting quite better groups than that. I plan to eventually start reloading for it but haven't gotten around to it yet. I will say that my psl out shot my standard grade m1a before I worked on it out of the box, and they are about half the cost.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisdx3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The russian tigers are only the same in that they are made in the same factory as the military ones were. The tigers will not have an adjustable gas system nor flash supprsor ditterent sights only going to 300m, and the stocks will be differnet.Only around 200 original russian svds not tigers were ever imported into the us.
Photo of a russian tiger from dragunov.net
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/christopherdx3/Davidtiger.jpg
I know a lot of the bad reviews of the svd's in 54r come form not using the right ammo with the gun. The russian svd in 7.62x54r is designed to shoot 7n1 ammo or 7n14 sniper grade ammo. I don't have an svd in 54r yet but I do have the ndm-86 in 308 and the thing is a tack driver using 168grn sierra match kings with 41.5 grains of imr 4895.
20 shots out of my ndm in 308 at 113yds using a 8x42 scope.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/christopherdx3/DSCN0333.jpg
I know that my psl will alwyas shot around 2 moa at 100yds using 1950's bulgarian surplus ammo. Some who reload for it are getting quite better groups than that. I plan to eventually start reloading for it but haven't gotten around to it yet. I will say that my psl out shot my standard grade m1a before I worked on it out of the box, and they are about half the cost. </div></div>
Nice rifle, are you using the factory trigger for it? If so have you given any thought on swapping it out for a US trigger? If so may I suggest the Red Star trigger group, it is a 2 stage adjustable and is sweet, I have one on my saiga 308 and was the best investment I made for her.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisdx3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The russian tigers are only the same in that they are made in the same factory as the military ones were. The tigers will not have an adjustable gas system nor flash supprsor ditterent sights only going to 300m, and the stocks will be differnet.Only around 200 original russian svds not tigers were ever imported into the us.
Photo of a russian tiger from dragunov.net
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/christopherdx3/Davidtiger.jpg
I know a lot of the bad reviews of the svd's in 54r come form not using the right ammo with the gun. The russian svd in 7.62x54r is designed to shoot 7n1 ammo or 7n14 sniper grade ammo. I don't have an svd in 54r yet but I do have the ndm-86 in 308 and the thing is a tack driver using 168grn sierra match kings with 41.5 grains of imr 4895.
20 shots out of my ndm in 308 at 113yds using a 8x42 scope.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/christopherdx3/DSCN0333.jpg
I know that my psl will alwyas shot around 2 moa at 100yds using 1950's bulgarian surplus ammo. Some who reload for it are getting quite better groups than that. I plan to eventually start reloading for it but haven't gotten around to it yet. I will say that my psl out shot my standard grade m1a before I worked on it out of the box, and they are about half the cost. </div></div>
Nice rifle, are you using the factory trigger for it? If so have you given any thought on swapping it out for a US trigger? If so may I suggest the Red Star trigger group, it is a 2 stage adjustable and is sweet, I have one on my saiga 308 and was the best investment I made for her.....
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I haven't put the red star in my psl yet I poslished the trigger group according to what I found on the internet. This pretty much made the psl factory trigger a two stage with a crisp break. The group above was also using the factory ndm 86 trigger which is think is a two stage trigger at about 2.5 pounds the svd trigger is not at all like an ak trigger group.
Photo of dragunov trigger group
I haven't put the red star in my psl yet I poslished the trigger group according to what I found on the internet. This pretty much made the psl factory trigger a two stage with a crisp break. The group above was also using the factory ndm 86 trigger which is think is a two stage trigger at about 2.5 pounds the svd trigger is not at all like an ak trigger group.
Photo of dragunov trigger group
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisdx3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't put the red star in my psl yet I poslished the trigger group according to what I found on the internet. This pretty much made the psl factory trigger a two stage with a crisp break. The group above was also using the factory ndm 86 trigger which is think is a two stage trigger at about 2.5 pounds the svd trigger is not at all like an ak trigger group.
Photo of dragunov trigger group
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Good to here you at least you polished it, I had guys at the range I go to that could not understand why whey could not hit the target.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisdx3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't put the red star in my psl yet I poslished the trigger group according to what I found on the internet. This pretty much made the psl factory trigger a two stage with a crisp break. The group above was also using the factory ndm 86 trigger which is think is a two stage trigger at about 2.5 pounds the svd trigger is not at all like an ak trigger group.
Photo of dragunov trigger group
Good to here you at least you polished it, I had guys at the range I go to that could not understand why whey could not hit the target.....
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CAI is an importer (they come from the Cugir factory in Romania), I wasn't aware of any that they built.
If ordering online make sure that they've checked them for canted sights, canted front gas block and scope alignment. Child labor in Romania is not what it used to be & they make mistakes.
CAI is an importer (they come from the Cugir factory in Romania), I wasn't aware of any that they built.
If ordering online make sure that they've checked them for canted sights, canted front gas block and scope alignment. Child labor in Romania is not what it used to be & they make mistakes.
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a Zastava m76 is your best bet. It's the only precision rifle i have now. I have full faith it'll go out to 800 easily with precision ammo. People have zero respect for it because it's an AK system, but run some sierra match 200gr with norma brass cci br2s and some imr 4350 and watch the magic. The new green mountain barrels the wiselites have are very nice.
a Zastava m76 is your best bet. It's the only precision rifle i have now. I have full faith it'll go out to 800 easily with precision ammo. People have zero respect for it because it's an AK system, but run some sierra match 200gr with norma brass cci br2s and some imr 4350 and watch the magic. The new green mountain barrels the wiselites have are very nice.
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90% of what I see passed off as a Dragunov are really PSL's.
They are "neat" but personally I cannot fathom why people are paying what they are for them. I have used REAL issued SVD's and was not impressed.
To each his own, just make sure you know what you are paying for.
90% of what I see passed off as a Dragunov are really PSL's.
They are "neat" but personally I cannot fathom why people are paying what they are for them. I have used REAL issued SVD's and was not impressed.
To each his own, just make sure you know what you are paying for.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CAI is an importer (they come from the Cugir factory in Romania), I wasn't aware of any that they built.</div></div>
To my knowledge you are correct. I owned a CAI imported one and it ran great. It's the TGI kit guns you have to watch out for. Those are the one's I've experienced to have problems.
Be careful what you're buying is not a PSL marketed as a an SVD or Dragunov. If you search GB you'll see more than half are PSL's marketed as a a Dragunov. Then you end up paying 2x as much as you should have.
PSL's are fun little rifles, and really cheap to feed!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CAI is an importer (they come from the Cugir factory in Romania), I wasn't aware of any that they built.</div></div>
To my knowledge you are correct. I owned a CAI imported one and it ran great. It's the TGI kit guns you have to watch out for. Those are the one's I've experienced to have problems.
Be careful what you're buying is not a PSL marketed as a an SVD or Dragunov. If you search GB you'll see more than half are PSL's marketed as a a Dragunov. Then you end up paying 2x as much as you should have.
PSL's are fun little rifles, and really cheap to feed!
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The CAI ones for once are actually the ones to buy since they are being made in the cugir factory in romainia. They are able to import them as sporters since they grind off the bayonet lug on the muzzle break. That being said they do have some issues as well you just have to look them over when you get it. The latest batch of them from romainia seem to have a few more problems than some of the earlier ones. I too am a huge fan of the m76 as well I got the stuff on order to start reloading for mine.
There is a ton of information on the three differnt rifles it could be at
http://dragunov.net/
The CAI ones for once are actually the ones to buy since they are being made in the cugir factory in romainia. They are able to import them as sporters since they grind off the bayonet lug on the muzzle break. That being said they do have some issues as well you just have to look them over when you get it. The latest batch of them from romainia seem to have a few more problems than some of the earlier ones. I too am a huge fan of the m76 as well I got the stuff on order to start reloading for mine.
There is a ton of information on the three differnt rifles it could be at
http://dragunov.net/
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisdx3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The one at the top is a Chinese svd in 308 middle is a Romanian psl and on the bottom is a yugo m76. The svd's run from 3k to 8k depending on where they came from and caliber. the Russian tiger hunting carbines can be had for less than that 2 to 3k. The carbines will have a shorter barrel and will be marked tiger on the side and have a milled receiver like the military svd. The psl has a stamped ak like receiver with non adjustable gas system chambered in 7.62x54r and can be bought from 530 dollars to 900 depending on where you get them. The m76 is also on a milled receiver and is chambered in 8mm mauser has an adjustable gas system like the svd.
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I like that M76 can you still find them or are they a little on the rare side?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisdx3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The one at the top is a Chinese svd in 308 middle is a Romanian psl and on the bottom is a yugo m76. The svd's run from 3k to 8k depending on where they came from and caliber. the Russian tiger hunting carbines can be had for less than that 2 to 3k. The carbines will have a shorter barrel and will be marked tiger on the side and have a milled receiver like the military svd. The psl has a stamped ak like receiver with non adjustable gas system chambered in 7.62x54r and can be bought from 530 dollars to 900 depending on where you get them. The m76 is also on a milled receiver and is chambered in 8mm mauser has an adjustable gas system like the svd.
I like that M76 can you still find them or are they a little on the rare side?
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I had a Romanian PSL and it was a decent rifle. Accuracy wise it was a 2"~3" groups @100 with Czech silvertip ammo. It was relatively cheap with cheap ammo available (at the time).
Just make sure you clean the gas tube well if your using Czech silvertip ammo. That stuff is really nasty for corrosion.
I have only seen one real Drag and it was a very nice looking piece. A lot more of a collector than a shooter now.
I had a Romanian PSL and it was a decent rifle. Accuracy wise it was a 2"~3" groups @100 with Czech silvertip ammo. It was relatively cheap with cheap ammo available (at the time).
Just make sure you clean the gas tube well if your using Czech silvertip ammo. That stuff is really nasty for corrosion.
I have only seen one real Drag and it was a very nice looking piece. A lot more of a collector than a shooter now.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">90% of what I see passed off as a Dragunov are really PSL's.
They are "neat" but personally I cannot fathom why people are paying what they are for them. I have used REAL issued SVD's and was not impressed.
To each his own, just make sure you know what you are paying for. </div></div>
+1.
There are SVD:s and SVD look-alikes which are actually long barrel AK-47:s. They are not same at all.
Bolt, carrier, gas piston system are totally different design.
I have tried several real russian SVD:s in long range- and wasnt too impressed either. We didnt have real ammo for it, but still. But I believe they shoot better with original ammo. And also that best rifles can do under MOA.
Perhaps because of the hollywood, people seem forget that SVD is not a precision rifle at the first place- its scoped squad support weapon. It was not designed to be long range SWS. But in that particular role -keeping tangos down beyond AK47 effective range- it is surely fine and reliable rifle in its class.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">90% of what I see passed off as a Dragunov are really PSL's.
They are "neat" but personally I cannot fathom why people are paying what they are for them. I have used REAL issued SVD's and was not impressed.
To each his own, just make sure you know what you are paying for. </div></div>
+1.
There are SVD:s and SVD look-alikes which are actually long barrel AK-47:s. They are not same at all.
Bolt, carrier, gas piston system are totally different design.
I have tried several real russian SVD:s in long range- and wasnt too impressed either. We didnt have real ammo for it, but still. But I believe they shoot better with original ammo. And also that best rifles can do under MOA.
Perhaps because of the hollywood, people seem forget that SVD is not a precision rifle at the first place- its scoped squad support weapon. It was not designed to be long range SWS. But in that particular role -keeping tangos down beyond AK47 effective range- it is surely fine and reliable rifle in its class.
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an ndm-86 in .308 can shoot .4 moa out of the box with some match ammo, though i'v only found them on auction sites.
and i do agree, they are over priced
an ndm-86 in .308 can shoot .4 moa out of the box with some match ammo, though i'v only found them on auction sites.
and i do agree, they are over priced
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a Romanian PSL and it was a decent rifle. Accuracy wise it was a 2"~3" groups @100 with Czech silvertip ammo. It was relatively cheap with cheap ammo available (at the time).
Just make sure you clean the gas tube well if your using Czech silvertip ammo. That stuff is really nasty for corrosion.
I have only seen one real Drag and it was a very nice looking piece. A lot more of a collector than a shooter now. </div></div>
you should have used 147 grain wolf gold ammo, that is the best ammo for a psl so i've heard
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a Romanian PSL and it was a decent rifle. Accuracy wise it was a 2"~3" groups @100 with Czech silvertip ammo. It was relatively cheap with cheap ammo available (at the time).
Just make sure you clean the gas tube well if your using Czech silvertip ammo. That stuff is really nasty for corrosion.
I have only seen one real Drag and it was a very nice looking piece. A lot more of a collector than a shooter now. </div></div>
you should have used 147 grain wolf gold ammo, that is the best ammo for a psl so i've heard
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisdx3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The russian tigers are only the same in that they are made in the same factory as the military ones were. The tigers will not have an adjustable gas system nor flash supprsor ditterent sights only going to 300m, and the stocks will be differnet.Only around 200 original russian svds not tigers were ever imported into the us.
Photo of a russian tiger from dragunov.net
I know a lot of the bad reviews of the svd's in 54r come form not using the right ammo with the gun. The russian svd in 7.62x54r is designed to shoot 7n1 ammo or 7n14 sniper grade ammo. I don't have an svd in 54r yet but I do have the ndm-86 in 308 and the thing is a tack driver using 168grn sierra match kings with 41.5 grains of imr 4895.
20 shots out of my ndm in 308 at 113yds using a 8x42 scope.
I know that my psl will alwyas shot around 2 moa at 100yds using 1950's bulgarian surplus ammo. Some who reload for it are getting quite better groups than that. I plan to eventually start reloading for it but haven't gotten around to it yet. I will say that my psl out shot my standard grade m1a before I worked on it out of the box, and they are about half the cost. </div></div>
AK-based weapon systems are hellishly more accurate than people give them credit.
1. ammo
2. setup
3. followthrough
unlike the ar-15 the AK DOES require a bit more followthrough due to the trigger. Or you can get a JARD 2 or 3 lb match trigger for one that has little to no travel, a solid break, and no overtravel which is what I'm doing with my m76.
I remember a while back, David Fortier took a chinese .308 dragunov, had it squared away and rebarreled with a match barrel and got it down to 1/2 moa with 168gr. That being said I've personally seen an m76, shooting m75 198gr rounds do 1/2 moa with a cold bore. That made me a believer and I plan on developing some reloads for it after I take it for a test run then have it professionally rebuilt to look more original(hey it's an aesthetics thing
. I also recommend Gabe Suarez's take on the AK based rifle. I know a lot of people don't like him much but he DOES know what he's talking about. I think a lot of people on this board would be very surprised as to what AKs can accomplish with decent ammunition, good trigger control and a good solid rifle.
Getting a romanian wasr-10(PIECE OF SHIT!), feeding it brown bear or silver bear ammo from Tula and slapping a $20 junk optic on it is not going to give you results. Try a Yugo milled m70b1 or an Arsenal Inc sa-m7 using American Eagle ammo or a VEPR with good optics. You might be VERY surprised as to the results.
As for the PSL, don't bother. It's junk all the way. It's right there with the WASR-10 rifles.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chrisdx3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The russian tigers are only the same in that they are made in the same factory as the military ones were. The tigers will not have an adjustable gas system nor flash supprsor ditterent sights only going to 300m, and the stocks will be differnet.Only around 200 original russian svds not tigers were ever imported into the us.
Photo of a russian tiger from dragunov.net
I know a lot of the bad reviews of the svd's in 54r come form not using the right ammo with the gun. The russian svd in 7.62x54r is designed to shoot 7n1 ammo or 7n14 sniper grade ammo. I don't have an svd in 54r yet but I do have the ndm-86 in 308 and the thing is a tack driver using 168grn sierra match kings with 41.5 grains of imr 4895.
20 shots out of my ndm in 308 at 113yds using a 8x42 scope.
I know that my psl will alwyas shot around 2 moa at 100yds using 1950's bulgarian surplus ammo. Some who reload for it are getting quite better groups than that. I plan to eventually start reloading for it but haven't gotten around to it yet. I will say that my psl out shot my standard grade m1a before I worked on it out of the box, and they are about half the cost. </div></div>
AK-based weapon systems are hellishly more accurate than people give them credit.
1. ammo
2. setup
3. followthrough
unlike the ar-15 the AK DOES require a bit more followthrough due to the trigger. Or you can get a JARD 2 or 3 lb match trigger for one that has little to no travel, a solid break, and no overtravel which is what I'm doing with my m76.
I remember a while back, David Fortier took a chinese .308 dragunov, had it squared away and rebarreled with a match barrel and got it down to 1/2 moa with 168gr. That being said I've personally seen an m76, shooting m75 198gr rounds do 1/2 moa with a cold bore. That made me a believer and I plan on developing some reloads for it after I take it for a test run then have it professionally rebuilt to look more original(hey it's an aesthetics thing
Getting a romanian wasr-10(PIECE OF SHIT!), feeding it brown bear or silver bear ammo from Tula and slapping a $20 junk optic on it is not going to give you results. Try a Yugo milled m70b1 or an Arsenal Inc sa-m7 using American Eagle ammo or a VEPR with good optics. You might be VERY surprised as to the results.
As for the PSL, don't bother. It's junk all the way. It's right there with the WASR-10 rifles.
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yeah the m76 is a HELL of a gun. I love it to death especially after having fired it. My advice though is having it professionally build by someone like Tim Foreman at Gewehr Werks or Mario Fraire at Piece of History Firearms. They know what they're doing.
I mean if big piston guns are so inaccurate then why in the world was the psg-1 so successful back in the 70s and 80s before the hype took over? It's got an even larger bolt and piston system than an AK does and it can be hellishly accurate. To add insult to injury it's also got a STAMPED receiver(albeit reinforced by welded bars).
yeah the m76 is a HELL of a gun. I love it to death especially after having fired it. My advice though is having it professionally build by someone like Tim Foreman at Gewehr Werks or Mario Fraire at Piece of History Firearms. They know what they're doing.
I mean if big piston guns are so inaccurate then why in the world was the psg-1 so successful back in the 70s and 80s before the hype took over? It's got an even larger bolt and piston system than an AK does and it can be hellishly accurate. To add insult to injury it's also got a STAMPED receiver(albeit reinforced by welded bars).
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I have had some experience with the 7.62x54R in the Russian SVT-40 and Finn M-39 (Finn refurb'ed Mosin-Nagant).
While considered somewhat fragile and unruly, the SVT-40 in my own hands proved to be both accurate and adequately reliable. The M-39 put a new smile of surprise on my face. This Finns knew what they were doing when they tweaked those dropped-in-the-snow Mosin-Nagants.
When seeking an SV- rifle, my goal would be another SVT-40. My former Son-In-Law has my old one. Scope mounts for this one are an issue.
Greg
I have had some experience with the 7.62x54R in the Russian SVT-40 and Finn M-39 (Finn refurb'ed Mosin-Nagant).
While considered somewhat fragile and unruly, the SVT-40 in my own hands proved to be both accurate and adequately reliable. The M-39 put a new smile of surprise on my face. This Finns knew what they were doing when they tweaked those dropped-in-the-snow Mosin-Nagants.
When seeking an SV- rifle, my goal would be another SVT-40. My former Son-In-Law has my old one. Scope mounts for this one are an issue.
Greg
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I wish they'd import SVD's again. Maybe the Saiga people can rebrand one as a Saiga-9000 or something to get them in here. A friend of mine in new zealand has one and the target picks he sends me with russian ammo are pretty nice.
I wish they'd import SVD's again. Maybe the Saiga people can rebrand one as a Saiga-9000 or something to get them in here. A friend of mine in new zealand has one and the target picks he sends me with russian ammo are pretty nice.
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the way i see it, ak type rifles have alot of potential that is overlooked cause of the rep they got
the way i see it, ak type rifles have alot of potential that is overlooked cause of the rep they got
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the way i see it, ak type rifles have alot of potential that is overlooked cause of the rep they got </div></div>
They do and the rep they got is due to first impressions of the gun way back when. When the AK was first introduced in America, the only ammo available was from Russia and some of the com-bloc countries. As a result of that the quality wasn't great. I mean ask yourself this, what happens when you fire wolf ammo out of your match AR? you gonna get great accuracy? HELL NO!
Same thing applies here. Run some decent federal or American Eagle(THE preferred caliber for accuracy) and the results will change drastically.
Today the AK is regarded as a "cheap" gun that deserves "cheap" ammo and is not worthy of decent ammo. Well change that viewpoint, get a decent AK and some decent ammo and you'll get decent results. The entire "AKs are inaccurate" is 100% a self-fulfilling prophecy. There is NO truth to it. It's all in the quality of the weapons, the ammo that are fed to them, the care given to them and the quality of optics.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the way i see it, ak type rifles have alot of potential that is overlooked cause of the rep they got </div></div>
They do and the rep they got is due to first impressions of the gun way back when. When the AK was first introduced in America, the only ammo available was from Russia and some of the com-bloc countries. As a result of that the quality wasn't great. I mean ask yourself this, what happens when you fire wolf ammo out of your match AR? you gonna get great accuracy? HELL NO!
Same thing applies here. Run some decent federal or American Eagle(THE preferred caliber for accuracy) and the results will change drastically.
Today the AK is regarded as a "cheap" gun that deserves "cheap" ammo and is not worthy of decent ammo. Well change that viewpoint, get a decent AK and some decent ammo and you'll get decent results. The entire "AKs are inaccurate" is 100% a self-fulfilling prophecy. There is NO truth to it. It's all in the quality of the weapons, the ammo that are fed to them, the care given to them and the quality of optics.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the fact that there is an ak rifle chambered for 8mm is awsome </div></div>
Yeah, I've read some good range reports with handloads too. Now that they are coming down in price an M76 is on my list.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the fact that there is an ak rifle chambered for 8mm is awsome </div></div>
Yeah, I've read some good range reports with handloads too. Now that they are coming down in price an M76 is on my list.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the fact that there is an ak rifle chambered for 8mm is awsome </div></div>
Yeah, I've read some good range reports with handloads too. Now that they are coming down in price an M76 is on my list. </div></div>
I'm currently doing research looking for the most accurate load I can find with muzzle velocity above 2500 fps. any idea? what have you heard? I keep hearing 180gr ballistic silvertips.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the fact that there is an ak rifle chambered for 8mm is awsome </div></div>
Yeah, I've read some good range reports with handloads too. Now that they are coming down in price an M76 is on my list. </div></div>
I'm currently doing research looking for the most accurate load I can find with muzzle velocity above 2500 fps. any idea? what have you heard? I keep hearing 180gr ballistic silvertips.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a Romanian PSL and it was a decent rifle. Accuracy wise it was a 2"~3" groups @100 with Czech silvertip ammo. It was relatively cheap with cheap ammo available (at the time).
Just make sure you clean the gas tube well if your using Czech silvertip ammo. That stuff is really nasty for corrosion.
I have only seen one real Drag and it was a very nice looking piece. A lot more of a collector than a shooter now. </div></div>
you should have used 147 grain wolf gold ammo, that is the best ammo for a psl so i've heard </div></div>
I never slugged the bore diameter. The .308 SHOULD be smaller in diameter than the factory 7.60X54R standard loads.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a Romanian PSL and it was a decent rifle. Accuracy wise it was a 2"~3" groups @100 with Czech silvertip ammo. It was relatively cheap with cheap ammo available (at the time).
Just make sure you clean the gas tube well if your using Czech silvertip ammo. That stuff is really nasty for corrosion.
I have only seen one real Drag and it was a very nice looking piece. A lot more of a collector than a shooter now. </div></div>
you should have used 147 grain wolf gold ammo, that is the best ammo for a psl so i've heard </div></div>
I never slugged the bore diameter. The .308 SHOULD be smaller in diameter than the factory 7.60X54R standard loads.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dsparil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yeah the m76 is a HELL of a gun. I love it to death especially after having fired it. My advice though is having it professionally build by someone like Tim Foreman at Gewehr Werks or Mario Fraire at Piece of History Firearms. They know what they're doing.
I mean if big piston guns are so inaccurate then why in the world was the psg-1 so successful back in the 70s and 80s before the hype took over? It's got an even larger bolt and piston system than an AK does and it can be hellishly accurate. To add insult to injury it's also got a STAMPED receiver(albeit reinforced by welded bars). </div></div>
The PSG-1 does not use a piston. The PSG-1, G3, MSG90, etc are all roller locked delayed blowback.
See this(click)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dsparil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yeah the m76 is a HELL of a gun. I love it to death especially after having fired it. My advice though is having it professionally build by someone like Tim Foreman at Gewehr Werks or Mario Fraire at Piece of History Firearms. They know what they're doing.
I mean if big piston guns are so inaccurate then why in the world was the psg-1 so successful back in the 70s and 80s before the hype took over? It's got an even larger bolt and piston system than an AK does and it can be hellishly accurate. To add insult to injury it's also got a STAMPED receiver(albeit reinforced by welded bars). </div></div>
The PSG-1 does not use a piston. The PSG-1, G3, MSG90, etc are all roller locked delayed blowback.
See this(click)
Re: svd
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a Romanian PSL and it was a decent rifle. Accuracy wise it was a 2"~3" groups @100 with Czech silvertip ammo. It was relatively cheap with cheap ammo available (at the time).
Just make sure you clean the gas tube well if your using Czech silvertip ammo. That stuff is really nasty for corrosion.
I have only seen one real Drag and it was a very nice looking piece. A lot more of a collector than a shooter now. </div></div>
you should have used 147 grain wolf gold ammo, that is the best ammo for a psl so i've heard </div></div>
I never slugged the bore diameter. The .308 SHOULD be smaller in diameter than the factory 7.60X54R standard loads. </div></div>
i'm pretty sure the diamiter is the same as a 303 british round, .311 diamiter bullets, and i made a mistake on the 147 grain bullets, it likes the .148 grain wolf gold ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a Romanian PSL and it was a decent rifle. Accuracy wise it was a 2"~3" groups @100 with Czech silvertip ammo. It was relatively cheap with cheap ammo available (at the time).
Just make sure you clean the gas tube well if your using Czech silvertip ammo. That stuff is really nasty for corrosion.
I have only seen one real Drag and it was a very nice looking piece. A lot more of a collector than a shooter now. </div></div>
you should have used 147 grain wolf gold ammo, that is the best ammo for a psl so i've heard </div></div>
I never slugged the bore diameter. The .308 SHOULD be smaller in diameter than the factory 7.60X54R standard loads. </div></div>
i'm pretty sure the diamiter is the same as a 303 british round, .311 diamiter bullets, and i made a mistake on the 147 grain bullets, it likes the .148 grain wolf gold ammo
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dsparil</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the fact that there is an ak rifle chambered for 8mm is awsome </div></div>
Yeah, I've read some good range reports with handloads too. Now that they are coming down in price an M76 is on my list. </div></div>
I'm currently doing research looking for the most accurate load I can find with muzzle velocity above 2500 fps. any idea? what have you heard? I keep hearing 180gr ballistic silvertips. </div></div>
i've never done reloads befor, but i really do want to try it, i was going to try a 200 grain BTHP that goes 2600 fps and see how that turns out
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dsparil</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tarnum</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the fact that there is an ak rifle chambered for 8mm is awsome </div></div>
Yeah, I've read some good range reports with handloads too. Now that they are coming down in price an M76 is on my list. </div></div>
I'm currently doing research looking for the most accurate load I can find with muzzle velocity above 2500 fps. any idea? what have you heard? I keep hearing 180gr ballistic silvertips. </div></div>
i've never done reloads befor, but i really do want to try it, i was going to try a 200 grain BTHP that goes 2600 fps and see how that turns out
Re: svd
.311 and 150gr +-10 is something that will work. As for powder H4895 should be good. 7n1 ammo is very long around (a bit more if i remember) 3". Primers should be military or atleast harder and brass shouldn't be reloaded many times (3-5 tops) and always fully resized to ensure proper bolt closure... Speed should be around 2700fps...
Most people who complain of poor accuracy from such rifles usually shoot some crap surplus ammo or expect to have bolt rifle accuracy from a mass produced semiauto (psg1 costs what??? W2000 anyone???) and from ancient caliber...
Good svd with proper homebrew (or 7n1(4)) will do below 1MOA easily and i'd guess thats pretty good for a cheap rifle and drills just as good of a hole as any bolt rifle does up to the usually needed range...
.311 and 150gr +-10 is something that will work. As for powder H4895 should be good. 7n1 ammo is very long around (a bit more if i remember) 3". Primers should be military or atleast harder and brass shouldn't be reloaded many times (3-5 tops) and always fully resized to ensure proper bolt closure... Speed should be around 2700fps...
Most people who complain of poor accuracy from such rifles usually shoot some crap surplus ammo or expect to have bolt rifle accuracy from a mass produced semiauto (psg1 costs what??? W2000 anyone???) and from ancient caliber...
Good svd with proper homebrew (or 7n1(4)) will do below 1MOA easily and i'd guess thats pretty good for a cheap rifle and drills just as good of a hole as any bolt rifle does up to the usually needed range...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.311 and 150gr +-10 is something that will work. As for powder H4895 should be good. 7n1 ammo is very long around (a bit more if i remember) 3". Primers should be military or atleast harder and brass shouldn't be reloaded many times (3-5 tops) and always fully resized to ensure proper bolt closure... Speed should be around 2700fps...
Most people who complain of poor accuracy from such rifles usually shoot some crap surplus ammo or expect to have bolt rifle accuracy from a mass produced semiauto (psg1 costs what??? W2000 anyone???) and from ancient caliber...
Good svd with proper homebrew (or 7n1(4)) will do below 1MOA easily and i'd guess thats pretty good for a cheap rifle and drills just as good of a hole as any bolt rifle does up to the usually needed range... </div></div>
i'll remember that
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.311 and 150gr +-10 is something that will work. As for powder H4895 should be good. 7n1 ammo is very long around (a bit more if i remember) 3". Primers should be military or atleast harder and brass shouldn't be reloaded many times (3-5 tops) and always fully resized to ensure proper bolt closure... Speed should be around 2700fps...
Most people who complain of poor accuracy from such rifles usually shoot some crap surplus ammo or expect to have bolt rifle accuracy from a mass produced semiauto (psg1 costs what??? W2000 anyone???) and from ancient caliber...
Good svd with proper homebrew (or 7n1(4)) will do below 1MOA easily and i'd guess thats pretty good for a cheap rifle and drills just as good of a hole as any bolt rifle does up to the usually needed range... </div></div>
i'll remember that
