I’m sorry I just got lost with the Federal gold ammo talk. I see that part number. Is the GM308m is this the Federal Gold Metal Match you are talking about. Thank you for your time and your assistance .
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The Gold Medal Match most of us use has the SMK bullet, not the OTM bullet. Look for a 168 or 175-grain SMK bullet in the description. Not sure of the PN
Please add some marbles to the discussion.
You quoted part of his post but failed to explain or correct anything.
Since people usually come here to learn, share or troll, please educate the great unwashed.
Your post was too vague to determine which of the 3 was your goal.
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The information on Federal's site will clear things up. Scroll down the left column and click on "Product Family." The scroll down and select "Gold Medal Sierra MatchKing." It will give you all the numbers.
Really easy: you want GM308M or GM308M2. Those are the Gold Medal loads with SMK bullets.
What do you know about 308’s mag feeding anyway….
1720, 1726, 1721 and 1725 all shot lights outtttt....
Shipping shortly
Ninjas ...
Mike R.
Shipping shortly
Ninjas ...Mike R.
Hahaha did that at a match last weekend with a buddies rifle. Lost all the rounds in it...
Terry,
While I greatly respect you and your wealth of knowledge, this didn’t have anything to do with this exact comment per say. The AW mags are pretty darn good magazines and have been run hard for a long time as you know.
My comment was more along the lines of trolling and reading some of his comments he likes to spout garbage that doesn’t add up or follow the real world.
Sorry, I assumed that by saying the magazines weren't "duty grade" meant the rifles designed to use them weren't "duty grade" either. Struck me as funny. Guess I'll butt out now.
When I still had one nearly 10 years ago my AI was absolutely a workhorse gun, duty-rated gun. The magazines are definitely not drop safe though, that’s all I was getting at.
Hell, I don’t run HK Jet Funnel mags because the steel baseplate can pop off when you drop em onto a hard surface but I’m not saying USP handguns aren’t duty rated lol. Hell that’s a gun I trust my life to.
Accuracy International 3901: AICS/AE MKII,III .308 Magazine (5 Round)
Accuracy InternationalSKU: 3901
UPC: AI39013085S
Is this the correct one?
If it says AICS, it should work fine. 5 and 10 rounders work but if shooting from prone the 10's can be a bit long if you use a short bipod.
Shot more KM-OPS today they all shot in the low zeros...
They will be shipping shortly...
Mike R.
They will be shipping shortly...
Mike R.
PSA: If this has already been solidly addressed to those purchasing these rifles, please point me to the post and I will delete this.
MAGAZINES for these rifles:
Previous discussions regarding AW vs AICS pattern magazines are a moot point with these rifles.
These rifles will not accept Accuracy International AW magazines or any other AW clone.
The bottom metal hardware is compatible with the AW magazines but the Surgeon receivers are not.
Unless you special ordered your action from Surgeon with the receiver bottom cut for AW mag clearance or had a 3rd party re-machine it, you will not be able to use AW magazines regardless of what bottom metal or chassis you have.
Accuracy International Part number 3901 (5 rd AICS) and 3902 (10 rd AICS) are the only 2 A.I. manufactured version that will work.
To be honest, the 3902's have been pretty terrible on consistency in the last 2 or 3 years with half of the ones we have seen needing the lips opened to run reliably in any gun.
The MagPul AICS 5rd (Part #MAG549) magazines actually have been running as good. The MagPul 10rd version (Part #MAG579) is definitely more reliable than the 3902 factory mags on average.
MDT and Accurate Mag clones of the AICS also run well.
MAGAZINES for these rifles:
Previous discussions regarding AW vs AICS pattern magazines are a moot point with these rifles.
These rifles will not accept Accuracy International AW magazines or any other AW clone.
The bottom metal hardware is compatible with the AW magazines but the Surgeon receivers are not.
Unless you special ordered your action from Surgeon with the receiver bottom cut for AW mag clearance or had a 3rd party re-machine it, you will not be able to use AW magazines regardless of what bottom metal or chassis you have.
Accuracy International Part number 3901 (5 rd AICS) and 3902 (10 rd AICS) are the only 2 A.I. manufactured version that will work.
To be honest, the 3902's have been pretty terrible on consistency in the last 2 or 3 years with half of the ones we have seen needing the lips opened to run reliably in any gun.
The MagPul AICS 5rd (Part #MAG549) magazines actually have been running as good. The MagPul 10rd version (Part #MAG579) is definitely more reliable than the 3902 factory mags on average.
MDT and Accurate Mag clones of the AICS also run well.
PSA: Bottom Metal Hardware for these rifles.
All rifles in this group utilize the Gen II SENTINEL DBM bottom hardware.
This hardware incorporates the new'ish Captv-Mag feature that limits magazine movement once the magazine is latched.
Captv-Mag is two integrally machined in control points on the top back of the magwell box that intercept the top back edges of the AICS type magazines. They are designed to float about 0.020" off the bottom of the Rem and Rem clone receivers while still blocking the magazine from over-traveling upward.
This feature ensures that the user will not inadvertently cause a malfunction or bind the bolt when pressing the magazine against a barricade, window sill, truck hood, rock, etc. Ditto for resting your rifle on the magazine when shooting offhand/positional or on another support.
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This feature has been part of KMW's Mk1*, Mk2 and M5 bottom metal for 3 years now with excellent results. It is also integrally machined into the Zealot chassis.
STOCK BOLT RETENTION
You will notice a small internal groove on the I.D. of the stock bolt holes. The bottom metal should have 10mm internal snap rings in place within these grooves. This feature allows the rifle to be taken down in the field or in the shop with a standard T-handled hex wrench without the chance of losing your stock bolts.
The retention rings look like this when in place.
The hex wrench/key can access the stock bolts with these retention rings still in place.
This has been a standard feature on SENTINEL bottom metal since 2007.
All rifles in this group utilize the Gen II SENTINEL DBM bottom hardware.
This hardware incorporates the new'ish Captv-Mag feature that limits magazine movement once the magazine is latched.
Captv-Mag is two integrally machined in control points on the top back of the magwell box that intercept the top back edges of the AICS type magazines. They are designed to float about 0.020" off the bottom of the Rem and Rem clone receivers while still blocking the magazine from over-traveling upward.
This feature ensures that the user will not inadvertently cause a malfunction or bind the bolt when pressing the magazine against a barricade, window sill, truck hood, rock, etc. Ditto for resting your rifle on the magazine when shooting offhand/positional or on another support.
*
This feature has been part of KMW's Mk1*, Mk2 and M5 bottom metal for 3 years now with excellent results. It is also integrally machined into the Zealot chassis.
STOCK BOLT RETENTION
You will notice a small internal groove on the I.D. of the stock bolt holes. The bottom metal should have 10mm internal snap rings in place within these grooves. This feature allows the rifle to be taken down in the field or in the shop with a standard T-handled hex wrench without the chance of losing your stock bolts.
The retention rings look like this when in place.
The hex wrench/key can access the stock bolts with these retention rings still in place.
This has been a standard feature on SENTINEL bottom metal since 2007.
My apologies for starting the derail. I didn't mean the initial comment in any negative way towards AW mags. As I said, I prefer them in most rifles.
I would have made a similar comment about precision if someone had asked about Tac Ops in a chassis. Not in a negative way about any chassis, just how the rifles are/have been made to a certain standard, regardless of purpose.
I should have worded it differently.
I would have made a similar comment about precision if someone had asked about Tac Ops in a chassis. Not in a negative way about any chassis, just how the rifles are/have been made to a certain standard, regardless of purpose.
I should have worded it differently.
I will try to get some photos with better lighting when I go out to shoot, tomorrow or Saturday.
Is that a TacOps can? I would sell my soul for a can but I already have given up ownership of it.
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If you live in a state that doesn't allow them, you've already sold it.
It is a Thunderbeast Ultra 7.
Yeah 420 looks great on there! I went 527 but like that 420 on there, I’m rocking the same can too.
I love my 527 but run it on a 6.5CM. I traded the 527 for another 420 for this rifle as I want to try the 10mil nle mpct2x for my next 527.
The 420 in the photo has a ARD attached so looks longer. Love the TBAC cans!
Got out briefly this evening, had to stop when my flock of Turkeys were heading to their roost and wanted to cross behind my target.
With a rifle like this I can never blame my tools! Shows me exactly what I am doing wrong.
Sometimes they die...
I forgot my rear bag, so I was shooting off my fist on top of two, stacked boxes of FGGM 175's
With a rifle like this I can never blame my tools! Shows me exactly what I am doing wrong.
Sometimes they die...
I forgot my rear bag, so I was shooting off my fist on top of two, stacked boxes of FGGM 175's
That’s the exact one I got! I’ll be test driving it soon. Winds were 40mph here on Wednesday. With good weather I’ll be out Tuesday. Nice shooting!!
Thanks. I'm no Mike, but it is nice to know that the rifle is capable of one-hole groups.
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That's why the vertical is there.Got out briefly this evening, had to stop when my flock of Turkeys were heading to their roost and wanted to cross behind my target.
With a rifle like this I can never blame my tools! Shows me exactly what I am doing wrong.
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I forgot my rear bag, so I was shooting off my fist on top of two, stacked boxes of FGGM 175's
Get a good bag and you will eliminate it if you use it right
Disagree
Load them with 308 Winchester and drop them. I have never had a problem with rounds escaping on the couple of occasions where I fumbled it. The issue happens when loading rounds other than what was intended to be used in them
You leave my slightly tapered creedmoor alone you bully.
Thanks for the update, Mike.1720, 1726, 1721 and 1725 all shot lights outtttt....
Shipping shortly
Mike R.
Travel again this week but should get to range with it soon.
1720, 1726, 1721 and 1725 all shot lights outtttt....
Shipping shortly
Mike R.
Your FedEx guy on strike? They are getting nervous here as I follow every one I see. . .
I should be shipping 40 rifles by Friday and probably 8 of the KM-OPS...
Thank you all for be patient
Mike R.
Thank you all for be patient
Mike R.
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