Re: Tactical Mini 14 vs AR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fuck the haters:
http://www.ar15.com/content/swat/200203-AR-15_vs_Mini-14.pdf
If this test were done today with a new Mini tactical, it'd kick the AR's ass.
And- surprise, surprise...the AR burped. The Mini never fails to go bang- ever. For me, that's the MOST important aspect of a self-defense rifle.
"A good
friend of mine, who is a nationally
known firearms instructor, told me he
would take the Mini-14 over the AR
any day of the week even if the Mini-
14 was priced as high as the AR-15.
If you prefer the AR-15, fine. On
the other hand, if you like the Mini-14
better, you need not apologize to anyone. Both are fine, reliable rifles"
I could give a shit if it can shoot an itty bitty group at 100 yards. It's not a target rifle. </div></div>
I think his first comment fits the best pointed right at himself. I have met lots of trainers who knew nothing other than a 1911 and wouldn't teach anything other than with a 1911 and always spoke about how all the other guns are shit unless it’s a 1911. Problem with the guy is he never owned anything other than a 1911 so instead of saying there is better guns now made or not even so much better but a better fit for what you might need he threw everything into the shit box without having an educated response on much of anything. My guess is you have never owned an AR; you have never shot an AR through a course of 2,000 or more rounds in three days without malfunction. My guess is you may own an Mini 14 but most likely you own nothing semi auto because you are anal towards the black rifle. On top of that you are mad that everyone who knows how to shoot can get there ARs under 1MOA or better at 100 yards and you have trouble getting that with a bolt gun. I have shot and owned both, I don;t own anymore minis due to the fact that they are 60% rifle with 40% shitty parts. I have had more issues with the stupid minis than any AR I have ever owned or built. JMHO </div></div>
I have never owned an AR.
But, I am planning a build now (AR-10, .308). I am very much looking forward to owning one.
If you actually read my posts, I don't "bash" or trash AR's. I state only what I know as fact, which does not rely on ownership to qualify for an opinion. It is a fact, that the AR uses a gas impingement system that exposes the guts of the rifle to hot exhaust gases and "trash", and this alone requires more cleaning,less reliability and the extreme heat causes accelerated wear on the parts exposed to it. That's just plain physics. The Garand action is completely different, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with knowledge of an M1, M-1A, or M-14 say the system is less reliable than an AR.
Yes, I do own a Mini. An old 188 series that I pulled outta the safe after twenty years to see what I could do with it. Some simple mods, done myself, and it shoots CONSISTENT 1.5 MOA , five shot groups with 69 gr. MK's over 25 grains of Varget. That's plenty accurate enough for a self-defense gun for me.
On this board, there seems to be only one criteria for a rifle worth owning- and that's it's ability to put five bullets in one hole at 100 yards. I'm saying that's irrelevant for a self defense, truck gun- which is what the Mini is, Ruger had never marketed it nor represented it as anything else.
I do <span style="font-weight: bold">not</span> agree with the OP's initial assessment. The Mini is not a battle rifle. It's a damn fine, reliable ranch gun, truck gun, self-defense gun. It's not an AR, and as I've said many times on this thread and others, I just wish the Mini could be looked upon as what it is, and not be constantly compared with an AR, which it is not. They have the same caliber in common, both are autoloading rifles, and that's the extent of the similarities.
As the writer of that article wrote, both are fine rifles. My next one is going to be an AR.
If anyone doubts the 1.5 MOA accuracy I'm representing, I'm willing to put my $$ where my mouth is, all we need is an impartial "umpire" in the Tampa area to witness the shoot. </div></div>
Here we go again about the DI system being unreliable if not clean. <span style="font-weight: bold">IT IS NOT A FACT</span>. It is an internet legend put up by people who don't know how to properly lubricate their ARs. You have never even owned an AR and you know the BS you're spouting off to be "fact?" Seriously?
I've had ARs that have gone more than 5000 rounds without a cleaning but run perfectly fine simply because I keep it properly lubricated. Don't go spouting off stuff you've read off the internet as "fact" when you don't even have the experience to back up those claims.
