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Tactical training and equipment
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Well, I don't know what your experience is, but the number of folks I trust to stack a door (or bodies) with is a vanishingly small number. If I've gotta go, it's not gonna be because some rando domed me in a shoot house.
I realize there’s liability issues involved. Your absolutely right in what you said. I’ve been retired a long time about 20years. Anything I think I knew is antiquated at best. However they could make more money by requiring students take prerequisites. A potential gold mine if done properly.
The military guys nowadays must be a whole bunch better than the fellas I served with. For the most part, everything was a real shit show back in the day. 17-21 year olds are good at one thing and that’s screwing up. You wouldn’t believe the number of guys that get killed or disabled in military training. Most of them wouldn’t have been injured if they’d been the highly trained, well oiled machine you believe them to be. The special forces guys might be like that but I don’t know because I wasn’t SF. Most active duty guys aren’t SF and don’t have the training. They do regular jobs like civilians. I promise you the active duty status that I’ve seen required accomplishes nothing. The active duty supply guy is fine. How about the Active duty labor delivery nurse, she’s good too. Let’s not forget active duty clerk typists, yep they’re fine. Retired military personnel are not acceptable. Why? You suggest it’s because the retiree might shoot the active duty nurse, clerk, or supply sgt.
The sad thing is that people obviously think like that.
None for the most part. I’ve only been in one shootout in a house and it was pretty stressful and time seemed to slow down but shit was really happening fast. I was very fortunate I didn’t get hurt worse or killed. I survived but it was close and could have just as easily went the other way. Training or divine intervention saved me. However training is the only thing out of the two I might can purchase. There’s bad guys out there and shits over long before help arrives.
Hi,
IF you have an Instagram account you can see exactly what happens when people attempt to do the "Tactical" shit they see on TV
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Sincerely,
Theis
IF you have an Instagram account you can see exactly what happens when people attempt to do the "Tactical" shit they see on TV
www.instagram.com
Sincerely,
Theis
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Lmmfao You fellas busting my balls about the “kit”. Keep it coming, I deserve it because I shouldn’t screw with people. After my initial failed search for this training. I said to myself, if anyone has heard of such a training course they would be on the interweb. However what about the lunatic fringe, how to weed out those crazy mofo’s? I further surmised that being crazy mofos they probably had a “kit” of some sort. The training is really what I wanted the kit was a way to identify and weed out the psychos that were sure to respond. I respect the opinions of most of fellas here on the hide and I can’t tell you guys how surprised I was that none of the crazies responded. If they did I missed it so please let me know so I can go back and read it again.
I don’t know if I’ll be able to find anything like I want because it is dangerous. However I believe everyone could benefit from training to fight in close quarters like their home or even their automobile. The police do what they can but they’re stretched real thin and can’t always get to you right away.
I appreciate you guys help with this and if you come across something like that please let me know.
I don’t have Instagram but I’ve seen enough gore and shit shows to last my lifetime. It’s not just civilians that get hurt attempting to do tactical shit seen on tv. The attrition rate on some of this shit in the military is over 50% from injury alone. When they screw up it doesn’t make it outside the chain of command so they’re not on Instagram.Hi,
IF you have an Instagram account you can see exactly what happens when people attempt to do the "Tactical" shit they see on TV
Sincerely,
Theis
You’re right though. It’s very dangerous even if it’s not live fire. I understand the value of running teams through training together but they aren’t requiring teams just the person be active duty. The places that accept any active duty military are asking for the same problems that happen accepting civilians. Just because they’re active duty doesn’t mean they have even ever touched a weapon. That’s the problem I have with that requirement but private business can deny service for any reason. I appreciate what you’re telling me I was just hoping that there was something out there that could help me sort out defending my home. Thanks again for your honesty I do appreciate it. You’re a Good guy for speaking an unwelcome truth.
Are you sure? Because even @THEIS told you earlier in this thread that the guys doing the CQB, dynamic entry, whatever are actually cherry picked to be on those teams, and have months of training, together as a team, to build the trust you 110% need to build a stack to then push into a building…
I'm not sure where I fit into with this entire discussion....
As an only child I did run around in the woods throwing sticks pretending they were dynamite.
This very day I'm back shooting and making videos right next to that same woods.
For me playing tactical sits somewhere in between the past and self betterment as I move forward in life.
Self challenge might be a better description...
Made this video the other day. (Cause I have fun doing it)
Does this quantify me as a tactical bitch or a dude in trunks having a good time?
(Definitely not raiding shit with red trunks running cross a green field of beans)
Vic
As an only child I did run around in the woods throwing sticks pretending they were dynamite.
This very day I'm back shooting and making videos right next to that same woods.
For me playing tactical sits somewhere in between the past and self betterment as I move forward in life.
Self challenge might be a better description...
Made this video the other day. (Cause I have fun doing it)
Does this quantify me as a tactical bitch or a dude in trunks having a good time?
(Definitely not raiding shit with red trunks running cross a green field of beans)
Vic
The talking in circles gets quite old. @reubenski laid it all out for ya bud. Bitching and moaning on the internet really gets you nowhere. You’ve been given quite the nice treatment and honest answers but you keep digging the hole deeper.
Who’s talking in circles? Let me guess, I’ve “been given quite the nice treatment” and you feel a different type of treatment is in order. I was wondering why some of the guys were talking shit about you in the earlier replies. You do realize that nobody likes an asshole, don’t you? Maybe instead of playing the role of the asshole when you don’t like something, you can move on to something you do like.
Since no one asked yet, you said you're retired military, what did you do, for how long, what branch? If your gonna ask for help, we need to know what we're working with and that can give us an idea on where to send you for help.
Can the bolt action forum mod lock this thing? Or move it?
groan………
You can start with USPSA https://uspsa.org/ . Outlaw USPSA matches are fun. 2 and three gun matches are also really nice.
There are training programs and a lot of BS out there. Do your research before putting coin forward.
There are training programs and a lot of BS out there. Do your research before putting coin forward.
LMAO..you really think they were talking about me? You need to re-read the thread as everyone was mocking YOU. Bless your heart. You’ll make it far here.
By the way, do you work concrete? How many bow kills do you have?
My "kit" is still Alice. I would never be allowed to attend one of these classes.
Kicking Doors in is for neanderthal types. There are much easier ways to open door.
Explosive breach, sometimes people get mad at you for applying the P=plenty philosophy and collapsing the mudhut. At least I said "my bad"
Door kickers? Depends on branch:
The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building.
The Coast Guard would turn out the lights
The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors.
The ARMY would turn out the lights and lock the doors and post a guard
The MARINE CORPS would call in an airstrike.
The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building.
The Coast Guard would turn out the lights
The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors.
The ARMY would turn out the lights and lock the doors and post a guard
The MARINE CORPS would call in an airstrike.
I took a new team (MiTT) of various MOS's for my second tour to Iraq. I was the only combat arms guy (Infantry) that had prior deployment experience (two of us were Infantry on the team other guy had no deployment experience). We had a 90 day pre-deployment training timeline. Getting some of my guys to understand Enter, Clear a Room execution and the flexibility it requires was painful to say the least. It required me putting my hands on one of my guys to assist him in pulling his head out of his 4th point of contact.
In 05 a kid was killed in a training incident at Campbell doing tactical training. This stuff is no joke.
Very Respectfully,
Stefan
Buy a good reliable AR (not a $600 Funstore special) think BCM, FN etc. Buy several cases of the same ammo and go take a basic class from a reputable training group Pat McNamara, John McPhee, Robert Keller, Fieldcraft Survival, Ronin Tactics etc. Don’t get caught up in the gear until you take a basic AND a more advanced class and have a better idea of what does and does not work for you. Don’t ever substitute gear for proper training and repeating the drills that you learned at class.
eta: A quality basic class should be your first step even before random range time, repetitions are repetitions and you want to be repeating good habits and not reinforcing bad habits.
Most training schools are going to assume you don't know anything until you prove you do. I would be very leary of any school that would put you in a 360 shoot house kicking doors & clearing rooms without properly vetting you first.
I have things you people wouldn't believe.
Entire hillsides on fire from tracer machine gun fire off the shoulder of southern Utah.
I watched full power IR lasers glitter in the dark near your mom's house.
All those moments will be lost in time, like Bender's virginity.
Time to find more rare custom Crye combat pants.
Entire hillsides on fire from tracer machine gun fire off the shoulder of southern Utah.
I watched full power IR lasers glitter in the dark near your mom's house.
All those moments will be lost in time, like Bender's virginity.
Time to find more rare custom Crye combat pants.
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I wish I still had mine. I had an old H harness my buddies Dad gave me and a his butt pack from Viet Nam. I had purchase all of my own shit so I could modify it with 550 cord and get rid of the metal clips that always seemed to catch me in the right place when carrying a ruck. I lost it during a move to CA and all of my other stuff, like BDUs, boots and dress greens.
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I have my old Alice ruck and old harness with my mag pouches, DCO FLC, ACU crap and the multicam stuff. Living through all those changes got expensive.
I'd take the LCE or the Brit's belt kit over anything I've used or seen since for no-BS, live in the field, ruck everywhere use. My interest in chest and ab mounted kit these days stems more from the necessity of its use, than its merit. The fact that the trend over the last few years has been towards minimalist versus "I need 12 mags, 4 frags, 2 chemlights in each color, 1x flaming rock, 1x fire fly, 1x notebook, 2x smokes, etc., etc." is indicative that most folks now appreciate that stacking 20 lbs of gear a foot deep on your chest is not ideal most of the time.
Lee jeans and a tank top from Kmart bought in 1986. It's not what you have but what you can do with it.....
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I got my lunch absolutely handed to me in a Mountain Bike race by a guy with dreads wearing stone washed cut off Jordash Jeans one time.
Is it possible you two are related?
I'm still scared from that day.
Run what ya brung.....
Op, here you go. Buck knows what he is doing. Your next best bet is running around the desert in AZ with @TheGerman. He started a good thread for running drills, start there and see how you do.
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I think I'm going to start a 'weekly carbine drill' thread or something
Because you guys here all shoot, right? (lolHorta) This week is simple but is probably the most used shot in regards to carbines and combat shooting that there is. It's also overlooked with the carbine just like with the pistol, as it seems 99% of peoples' shooting "begins" once the weapon is...
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I'm kind of considering some sort of week long course in southern Utah, during the summer, where you arrive to our facility and end up living in a MGPTS tent, that has an ECU, which I never turn on for you.
The required equipment for the course, is for you to bring a shovel, whatever clothing you want to bring and thats about it. Everything you bring has to be able to be carried on you at all times.
Then, through evolutions of digging trenches, filling hesco barriers, flattened hard pack desert with your hands, I will allow you to earn equipment, weapons, ammunition and maybe a little bit of actual instruction when I feel like it. Those who succeed, get to actually learn shit. Those who don't, will continue being made fun of by me in my umbrella covered lounge chair, conveniently located in a spot far enough to where your digging and dying of dehydration won't bother me, but also close enough so I don't have to actually yell when I'm going over the list of absolutely horrible life decisions that have gotten you to this very point.
7 day class
Bring your own shovel
Estimated Round Count: 4
$2100/per person
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