Give this bullshit a read:
TacticalRifles.net Sues The Snipers Hide ? The Truth About Internet Bullies
Bullshit is being very generous. I don't know what is worse than Bullshit but the stuff in that link surely is.
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Give this bullshit a read:
TacticalRifles.net Sues The Snipers Hide ? The Truth About Internet Bullies
Ya know, some things get lost in translation, but...
How do you mount an AN/PVS-22 if not to an UNS mount? If you can show a pic of such a system, please do. If you could do this it would be a bigger favor to me than they did for not being able to mount my PVS-22.
If you don't provide something to your customer that they paid for, do you tell them or let them come asking for it?
Cosmetics... cos-schmetics. Who cares what an $8k rifle looks like anyways. Machine marks and gouges are tactical, man. I dig.
Oh yes, galvanic corrosion. Galvanic corrosion is an electrochemical process in which one metal corrodes preferentially to another when both metals are in electrical contact and immersed in an electrolyte. For those of you who don't know, this is how primary batteries generate electricity. TR must have an interesting, elaborate, and expensive way for storing those screws. The shop in my basement is pretty boring. I just use a shelf.
So what happens to a scope when you torque it to 41lbs? And besides, who would expect a set of $224 rings to NOT need a good bit of finish work?
I have zero doubt you have seen worse bedding, very close up.
You must have missed the posts about asking Rooney to repair my rifle. Best part is you didn't see the benefit of the repairs in how the rifle performed.
Please tell us more about Alpine Gun Works.
As for words, there were quite a few exchanged with Rooney, contrary to what you indicated. I like words. And I have been very careful with them. I did look back for any expressions of hate and can't seem to find them. But I do appreciate the well wishes. Likewise.
Now for that pic of how you mount night vision systems... please?
Give this bullshit a read:
TacticalRifles.net Sues The Snipers Hide ? The Truth About Internet Bullies
[MENTION=57251]Twisted .308[/MENTION], I have learned a great deal throughout this experience. I sincerely welcome feedback. Thanks man.
Moses , not sure how to take that but no Ill wishes intended towards you . I was just putting my own spin on Rooneys reply . I sir would be extremely upset if I were in your shoes and it had happened to me .
Give this bullshit a read:
TacticalRifles.net Sues The Snipers Hide ? The Truth About Internet Bullies
I don't know why I got into this and don't really want to start a pissing match.
(excessive dribbling pap removed)
Anyways sorry to jump in on your post and what not and I'm honestly sorry that you had to deal with all that crap.
What a load of $&@"!
One thing is for sure, I won't be doing any business with Guns America!
Good luck Frank.
rxs0
Yes, that is the way people weasel out of having to answer for what they have done. They just use the broken system to go around any process that would require them to go under oath. Meanwhile David just emailed me the screenshots of his “invalid username” login on your website. I’m so happy that you are proud of the progress you are making in getting out of going under oath and having to face the binder of evidence one page at a time. Don’t worry Frank, I’ve already had one of your shills call me un-American. That is always the default when someone in the military says something that you find to be untrue. Its un-American to question that you would tell the truth, because were in the military. Semper Fi!
I solve and deal with much more complicated problems than what you're dealing with everyday in my line of work.
Alpine Gun Works:
Allow me to re-phrase in a more bland way and add a question.
<major snippage>
Welcome to the Hide [MENTION=99890]trebuchet[/MENTION], you'll fit in nicely here.
Here's the thing......
"Your work speaks for itself. Your response to my critique of your work speaks for itself. Please feel free to pursue any appropriate legal action, and we can have this issue settled, in public record, in public, in court."
Also: I wouldn't worry too much about legal threats from a company that purports to have a copyright on their website nine years in the future.
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Would be nice if all 5 or 6 of the TR threads could be slammed into one. This is getting foolish.
Would be nice if all 5 or 6 of the TR threads could be slammed into one. This is getting foolish.
Would be nice if all 5 or 6 of the TR threads could be slammed into one. This is getting foolish.
Here is an interesting post by Jack Grotenrath regarding a dealing with Tactical Rifles posted on the GunsAmerica comment section. I wanted to post this before it is deleted on the GunsAmerica website.
"Tacticalrifles.net bullied me. I’m a small dealer (class III also) in Virginia. I received one of their rifles for a transfer. A customer of mine in mid (June/July) 2013 came to pick it up. Turns out it was a straw purchase. Now I had one of their rifles sitting here for several months. ATF didn’t confiscate it, nor did VA Police. I informed Tactical Rifles of the straw purchase at the time it happen. Long story short after the rifle was sitting here for several months, the owner who has an English accent called me to have me ship the rifle back to him. I had to cut him off (he was very rude & over assertive) in the conversation to explain that I need to verify that a refund was giving to the purchaser so the purchaser couldn’t sue me. He said “It was none of my business”. I explained that it is my business to know if a refund was issued so I can be clear who owns the firearm & ship it to its owner. During my conversation with him, he was rude the entire time. Eventually hung up on me. With in a week I received a letter from his Lawyer with all kinds of lies, example: I want to keep this gun, & I was just making up stories. They also wanted to charge me with theft & have my business shut down. I have never dealt with anyone so evil in my 3 years of business. There is more to this story but I don’t think many people will bother to read this or it will even matter, its just good to see someone out there with money that can stand up to bullies like TacticalRifles.net."
jcfirearms
Here's the thing.
I didn't even know this place existed. I didn't know SH existed, or TR existed.
However, I do know two things. One, you cannot sue an online forum for slander or libel for posting reviews of a product or product services. You can, but there must be evidential proof that slander (spoken) and libel (in print) were committed - both of which are difficult to prove if a product or service has been:
A) reviewed independently
B) documented in flaws
C) posted as opinion in a public forum.
One cannot sue a gaming magazine for saying a particular game sucked. That is the opinion of the reviewer. Likewise, an online forum or marketplace that offers the opportunity for people to review products cannot be held accountable for the users' information.
How do I know this?
I got sued for posting a review on a really, REALLY bad book I bought. I posted the review on the website I bought the book from.
Well, the guy threatened to sue me.
Well, I was cyber-stalked by the guy who wrote the book, who spammed every email address that looked like it might be mine with a threat to sue.
Well, I was told I had to take the negative review down and compensate him for his "loss" in a "THIS LOOKS AND SOUNDS LIKE IT IS AN OFFICIAL LEGAL DOCUMENT EMAIL BUT ACTUALLY IT ISN'T".
So I did what any logical proponent of the Bill of Rights would do.
"Go for it, let's see what happens, and keep in mind the reviews will stay up for the timeframe of the lawsuit. Media will be drawn to the lawsuit. Your discussions will go out on ACLU, 1st Amendment, and NRA websites. Discussions about your book will be posted. Your book will be read and critiqued in court. You will hear from expert nonfiction and fiction authors, on record, testifying as to their opinion of your work. It will be a matter of public record. The review will be entered into evidence. It will go into searchable public space. Your name will be attached to it, forever. Your statements will be available for any law student, civil liberties lawyer, political action committee, or bored high school debate student to read if they get their hands on it. Every discussion, end point, IP address associated with this review, ad hominem attack, threat, communication, and record will be subpoenaed and submitted into evidence. Every claim will be investigated, every inferred threat will be checked.
In other words, I wrote an opinion review about a book I didn't like on a private site you do not own and do not control. You threatened to sue me to take it down, and used the phrase 'never bring a knife to a gun fight' in that email, and threatened to 'end me' legally.
I am not the person whose life, business, practices, and assertions will be exposed in court. I stand by my personal opinion and assessment: it's a shitty book. I can stand up and answer the questions in full honesty that I believe it is a shitty book, and under my 1st Amendment rights, I am permitted to say it's a shitty book in whatever environment I choose to say it's a shitty book, whether it be a street corner holding up a legally purchased copy of said shitty book or in a private online forum that I read said book, and believe it to be shitty in nature and in craft.
As the writer of said book, you are also allowed to state you believe that my assertion it is a shitty book is a shitty opinion. You are NOT allowed to threaten to remove my rights as a US citizen simply because you don't believe people who disagree with you should be allowed to voice that disagreement.
If you feel this is in error, please feel free to check with your local libel / slander attorney. From this point on, you are requested to communicate only through my attorney, with all due penalties and consequences due if said request is ignored."
TLR; the standard of proof of libel, slander, and defamation is set intentionally high. As a result, they're using a bully tactic to try to intimidate SH into pulling the information - which essentially comes down to "WE'LL SUE YOU for something we really hope you won't pay attention to the actual legality of what it is we're suing you for and just cave before you realize we don't want to sue. At all. Because if we sue, EVERYTHING can be subpoenaed, from our ATF records to our store inventories to our email to our text messages to our phone records to our shop hours."
But, it's up to you guys, of course. This is the exact same BS tactic the dude who threatened to sue me tried. It's pure intimidation and harassment. They don't want to go to court. They DEFINITELY don't want to go to federal court, because the minute they set foot in a lawyer's office they'll be laughed out of it for having zero concept of slander, libel, and defamation law in the United States. The standard is intentionally high to protect consumers from exactly this kind of tactic. (And in the field of firearms, the scrutiny on the purchaser is going to be far, FAR less than on the firearm manufacturer's questionable business practices.)
Any attorney worth a damn would happily subpoena everything and anything pertaining to this discussion. I guarantee you handing over what you have posted here will be far, FAR less inconvenient to you than he realizes, and that both burden of proof on this is up to him as a business. Since SH does not appear to generate ad revenue or sponsor support, it'll be hard for them to generate any kind of traction with the "conspiracy to defame".
And, as in the book category, the information about their manufacturing defects will become a matter of public record. Their sales receipts, their firearm processing, their licensing - if they sue, everything is fair game.
They are the ones who have the burden of proof. You have nothing to hide, and you have simply stated your opinion. Simply saying "nuh-uh!" will require them to provide expert objective testimony, which means exposing their clients, employees, suppliers, vendors, and all other records to the court system and therefore entered into the public record at large. You don't have to do anything other than send a request to Youtube's lawyers to provide the IP address of the supposed video and show it's not yours.
The entire thing they're saying is "it's not true and he posted a video". You're saying "this is my opinion of the quality of work of this company based solely on my experience", which is not libel or defamation.
What's going to be a hard road for them is that they have to prove that it is in fact NOT your opinion, and that the quality of work was excellent for them to win.
And in any case, they're going to look like...well, bullies who tried to intimidate people by halfassed threats into retracting negative reviews about the services provided rather than, say, put that energy into providing a decent product.
All that said...hell. They go through with this and I'll set up your legal fund kickstarter campaign. 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 3rd Amendment, 4th, 5th: I love 'em all.
Ultimately the best line (and most legally accurate response) is:
"Your work speaks for itself. Your response to my critique of your work speaks for itself. Please feel free to pursue any appropriate legal action, and we can have this issue settled, in public record, in public, in court."
Here is an interesting post by Jack Grotenrath regarding a dealing with Tactical Rifles posted on the GunsAmerica comment section. I wanted to post this before it is deleted on the GunsAmerica website.
"Tacticalrifles.net bullied me. I’m a small dealer (class III also) in Virginia. I received one of their rifles for a transfer. A customer of mine in mid (June/July) 2013 came to pick it up. Turns out it was a straw purchase. Now I had one of their rifles sitting here for several months. ATF didn’t confiscate it, nor did VA Police. I informed Tactical Rifles of the straw purchase at the time it happen. Long story short after the rifle was sitting here for several months, the owner who has an English accent called me to have me ship the rifle back to him. I had to cut him off (he was very rude & over assertive) in the conversation to explain that I need to verify that a refund was giving to the purchaser so the purchaser couldn’t sue me. He said “It was none of my business”. I explained that it is my business to know if a refund was issued so I can be clear who owns the firearm & ship it to its owner. During my conversation with him, he was rude the entire time. Eventually hung up on me. With in a week I received a letter from his Lawyer with all kinds of lies, example: I want to keep this gun, & I was just making up stories. They also wanted to charge me with theft & have my business shut down. I have never dealt with anyone so evil in my 3 years of business. There is more to this story but I don’t think many people will bother to read this or it will even matter, its just good to see someone out there with money that can stand up to bullies like TacticalRifles.net."
jcfirearms
Here is an interesting post by Jack Grotenrath regarding a dealing with Tactical Rifles posted on the GunsAmerica comment section. I wanted to post this before it is deleted on the GunsAmerica website.
"Tacticalrifles.net bullied me. I’m a small dealer (class III also) in Virginia. I received one of their rifles for a transfer. A customer of mine in mid (June/July) 2013 came to pick it up. Turns out it was a straw purchase. Now I had one of their rifles sitting here for several months. ATF didn’t confiscate it, nor did VA Police. I informed Tactical Rifles of the straw purchase at the time it happen. Long story short after the rifle was sitting here for several months, the owner who has an English accent called me to have me ship the rifle back to him. I had to cut him off (he was very rude & over assertive) in the conversation to explain that I need to verify that a refund was giving to the purchaser so the purchaser couldn’t sue me. He said “It was none of my business”. I explained that it is my business to know if a refund was issued so I can be clear who owns the firearm & ship it to its owner. During my conversation with him, he was rude the entire time. Eventually hung up on me. With in a week I received a letter from his Lawyer with all kinds of lies, example: I want to keep this gun, & I was just making up stories. They also wanted to charge me with theft & have my business shut down. I have never dealt with anyone so evil in my 3 years of business. There is more to this story but I don’t think many people will bother to read this or it will even matter, its just good to see someone out there with money that can stand up to bullies like TacticalRifles.net."
jcfirearms
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