Once you get beyond the price of the Gen 2 Razor, you run in to diminishing returns. If a TT is 10/10 optically, the Razor is a 7-8/10 and nearly 1/3 the cost. Value wise, it is the current King.
100% agree. With the Gen 2 Razor in particular.
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Once you get beyond the price of the Gen 2 Razor, you run in to diminishing returns. If a TT is 10/10 optically, the Razor is a 7-8/10 and nearly 1/3 the cost. Value wise, it is the current King.
I've seen many Vortex go in for warranty work... And everyone has moved on from them here mostly... Just saying.
I was at one today, last week, the week before that for local matches. I'll be in Oregon for PRSID and Oklahoma for Silent Night
Watch Frank's video about how the Razors are made. Beefy internals and one reason why they weight what they do.My only negative on it is the weight. You can get lighter scopes but you will pay more. I am not sure if the Vortex weight is by design or because they are using less expensive materials or both. I have an equivalent Schmidt PMII that is 10 oz lighter but I paid a lot more money for it. You do get a lot of scope for he money.
What do you mean by better internals and fit and finish? The Minox fit and finish is as good as it gets and the internals you know nothing about. You don’t know what either scope is made of on the inside.
Razors or PST's?I've seen many Vortex go in for warranty work... And everyone has moved on from them here mostly... Just saying.
run 5-6 barrels on one rifle and dont waste trips to the range to confirm zero's and thats where the turret system comes in handy...never have to worry if you got off or count clicks because theres a center reference dial...if you arent doin that, it dont matter much either way
like i said, personal preferences...NF and TT dont interest me at all
Actually I do know what’s on the inside. Unfortunately it’s not something that can be spoken on in a public forum. And if the fit and finish was as good, there wouldn’t so many turret problems. The minox is a nice scope but don’t try to pretend it’s a TT.
I’m not tryin to pretend anything. You and others throw these terms around without providing any evidence or explanation. “So many turret problems”, “Fit and finish”, “Better internals” are all meaningless bullshit without an explanation.
What turret problems? I have two Minoxes with no turret problems. I have been on this site for over a decade and have not read about all those turret problems. Are you talking about the second rev transition? If that’s a such a turret problem, disable the cam. On my two scopes the older one one has a harder transition than the newer scope. It’s not an issue any longer. No the turrets are not as nice as those on the TT. They are basic turrets. But they are not problematic either. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
The same goes for the rest of the arguments against Minox which are trying to make it look like a Bushnell. There is no need for that. We all know TT is a better scope and that’s why it costs more. But the Minox weighs half a pound less, is waterproof down to 25m (which speaks to the sealing and anti-fogging properties), can be fitted with CW turrets, has a nicer reticle, and can be found for $2700 new with careful shopping. And the glass is almost as good.
I’m not tryin to pretend anything. You and others throw these terms around without providing any evidence or explanation. “So many turret problems”, “Fit and finish”, “Better internals” are all meaningless bullshit without an explanation.
What turret problems? I have two Minoxes with no turret problems. I have been on this site for over a decade and have not read about all those turret problems. Are you talking about the second rev transition? If that’s a such a turret problem, disable the cam. On my two scopes the older one one has a harder transition than the newer scope. It’s not an issue any longer. No the turrets are not as nice as those on the TT. They are basic turrets. But they are not problematic either. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
The same goes for the rest of the arguments against Minox which are trying to make it look like a Bushnell. There is no need for that. We all know TT is a better scope and that’s why it costs more. But the Minox weighs half a pound less, is waterproof down to 25m (which speaks to the sealing and anti-fogging properties), can be fitted with CW turrets, has a nicer reticle, and can be found for $2700 new with careful shopping. And the glass is almost as good.
No I’m talking about the 2 minox I owned where the turrets would walk. As in the lines wouldn’t match up. I even posted a video about it on here. So don’t give me shit and act like you know what I do and dont know. Several other people have commented that the same happened to them.
This video is supposed to show what? Slack between clicks? BFD.
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You’re such an awesome ninja that what you showed in the video slows you down??? Lol!
Interesting that you say this about multiple barrels as it is the reason I went with the TT. What method do you use to keep track of the barrel offsets? Are you actually marking the under the turret cover or do you just have them noted down somewhere? I’m just trying to picture this in my mind.
I've seen many Vortex go in for warranty work... And everyone has moved on from them here mostly... Just saying.
I have a note in my phone with the inner turret values...when I put a diffferent barrel on I just turn to the value
I’ve tried other scopes and it gets to be a mess remembering which barrel was the original reference and which one you used last to adjust from...2 barrels wasn’t bad, but more and more I’d always second guess
This made my head hurt.do you have the availability to look through each scope ? I know I do not and after seeing only a few different scopes everyone's eyes see differently a scope I love or enjoy shooting with may or may not be to your liking and visa versa , after listining to local shooters in my area one would think that nf is the only scope in the world worth shooting with , but that can't possible be the only truth cause every shop in my area only push vortex to which they proclaim they are the best scope bar none , but you will grow out of them . what's that even mean . while i can see that the vortex scope and night force scopes i have had the chance to look through were nice in there own ways . I am happier with my decision to buy , what I think was a better choice and or deal for me, but its my choice . Thought i still want a few of the others for other guns maybe . buy once cry once is a nice saying , but so is 6 people told a story the same way , all six tell that story , and all 6 tell it somewhat differently .
Yes if you actually shoots matches. If you’re on a stage and you look up mid stage to confirm you’ve dialed the right dope but it’s in between clicks now you have to move the turret either up one or down one then back. On a 90 second stage that costs you valuable time.
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That is not a very reassuring view from behind the scope when on the clock.
Once again assuming you know all the answers only to look like a dumbass.
I do not have the option to look at them locally so I turn to people who have them to help guide
Whatchado? Twist the turret until the click was about to break and snap a photo?
Mine also did this. Still a good scope for the price though, imo.Haha stupid that’s how the turret drifted from not 1 but 2 white box minox. Now you’re just making yourself look like a fool. Congrats on being the biggest dumbass on this forum. You ma’am are truly some special kinda stupid. Maybe one day you’ll get out and shoot a gun instead of your mouth.
If you can get one for sub $2500 on the used market it may be worth it provided you can get proof the turrets are good.Mine also did this. Still a good scope for the price though, imo.
If you can get one for sub $2500 on the used market it may be worth it provided you can get proof the turrets are good.
If you do get one with good turrets then yes I do believe it’s a good value.
When I contacted minox about mine they told me 6-8 weeks for repair. After seeing people be told that, then end up 3-4 months in the hole I’d rather not.
What turret problems? I have two Minoxes with no turret problems. I have been on this site for over a decade and have not read about all those turret problems. Are you talking about the second rev transition? If that’s a such a turret problem, disable the cam. On my two scopes the older one one has a harder transition than the newer scope. It’s not an issue any longer. No the turrets are not as nice as those on the TT. They are basic turrets. But they are not problematic either. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
The same goes for the rest of the arguments against Minox which are trying to make it look like a Bushnell. There is no need for that. We all know TT is a better scope and that’s why it costs more. But the Minox weighs half a pound less, is waterproof down to 25m (which speaks to the sealing and anti-fogging properties), can be fitted with CW turrets, has a nicer reticle, and can be found for $2700 new with careful shopping. And the glass is almost as good.
Not all are created equal. I'm glad yours are working great for you, but you can't deny others problems just because you didn't have them.Exactly! I have a couple and my experience is like yours. I have been running them for 2 years in local and national matches without issues. First day out mine fell over at the range landed on it's turret, made scar on the turret, never lost zero, still shooting it today. I have shot them to 2000y at a PRS ELR match and they tracked. I run them without issues and the glass as awesome. I played with ZCO this weekend for quite a while and will take it over that for sure. The only scope I owned with better glass was an Optronika Premier. One of our boys runs TT's on all his stuff and they are a little better overall, but I don't care. Minox runs, tracks, glass is excellent and the seller, CS Tactical, is outstanding. You guys want be gear queers and change scopes every month? Fine but don't bullshit the rest of us with your knowledge or experience.
Exactly! I have a couple and my experience is like yours. I have been running them for 2 years in local and national matches without issues. First day out mine fell over at the range landed on it's turret, made scar on the turret, never lost zero, still shooting it today. I have shot them to 2000y at a PRS ELR match and they tracked. I run them without issues and the glass as awesome. I played with ZCO this weekend for quite a while and will take it over that for sure. The only scope I owned with better glass was an Optronika Premier. One of our boys runs TT's on all his stuff and they are a little better overall, but I don't care. Minox runs, tracks, glass is excellent and the seller, CS Tactical, is outstanding. You guys want be gear queers and change scopes every month? Fine but don't bullshit the rest of us with your knowledge or experience.