Rifle Scopes Tangent Theta 7-35

[Bigrederic]

My constant question is: outfit all with TT or have a traveling single TT. What’s the point of highly repeatable RTZ mounts and pic scope bases if we’re just more or less semi-permanently mating the optic to the host?

That would be great if I could do that. But I am lazy, I want to grab a rifle out of my safe and use it at anytime with minimal BS. And swapping a scope around and adjusting its zero seems like to much work.

 

[CSTactical]

I’ve seen teasers for this but not much info on it. Does anyone have know any of the specs or new features or possible release date?

I do know of one person who already ordered 3

 

[TheOE800]

I consider myself on a budget... And I have 3 ZCOs and TT. (I need to trim down)

Yeah, I have three TT and two ZCO so you see where the budget issue comes in.

 

[Danrobberg]

I do know of one person who already ordered 3

I bet he’s some super smart awesome guy!

 

[Mister Ridge]

It's not even in the same play pen.

Can you elaborate, please? Genuinely curious.

 

[Covertnoob5]

Can you elaborate, please? Genuinely curious.

DOF, parallax forgiveness, IQ, contrast, FOV, all better on the TT. And that’s not counting the other stuff.

 

[pucker]

The 1 TT/ZCO vs multiple TT/ZCO isn’t the real question.

If you can buy a TT/ZCO for every rifle with no budget qualms, you probably will.

The question is 1 TT/ZCO vs multiple tier 2 optics. To me, (with current mount quality), the single moving TT/ZCO is a no-brainer. I’d rather spend the 60sec rezeroing the turret on my TT than using a lesser scope all day.

 

[scudzuki]

TT is coming out with a fixed 7 power scope with a 35mm objective?
Odd configuration.

 

[Glassaholic]

TT is coming out with a fixed 7 power scope with a 35mm objective?
Odd configuration.

The title is a bit misleading, what gets me is it is super easy to click the "Edit" button and change the name of your title. I have to write contractual documents, so maybe I'm a little more anal than others

 

[MOUNTIC]

What little we know about this optic so far all seems to be solid. 36mm tube. 30-35 mils of internal travel with still the 28ish mils useable. 1-1.5" shorter than the 525P. Same tool-less zero turrets. Available in Coyote Tan and Black. Tan most likely to come first. Planned to not be priced too much higher than the 525P.

We will be carrying these optics for sure. Hope the timeline stays on track and we can get hands and trigger time on one at shot.

 

[Glassaholic]

What little we know about this optic so far all seems to be solid. 36mm tube. 30-35 mils of internal travel with still the 28ish mils useable. 1-1.5" shorter than the 525P. Same tool-less zero turrets. Available in Coyote Tan and Black. Tan most likely to come first. Planned to not be priced too much higher than the 525P.

We will be carrying these optics for sure. Hope the timeline stays on track and we can get hands and trigger time on one at shot.

You taking pre-orders. Will you take Confederate gold?

 

[ShaoKahn]

TT is coming out with a fixed 7 power scope with a 35mm objective?
Odd configuration.

I want to see a pic of this cool scope with a 36mm tube and 35 objective lens! Sounds like a new category for scopes.

 

[Nik H]

Hard to say someone priced themselves out of a market they essentially created (maybe Hensoldt before 2014), for years shooters have been paying TT prices, yes, they've gone up past couple years but so have many manufacturers pricing, but none more so than Schmidt, now there is a conversation about pricing theirselves out of the market.

I imagine a TT735P would be slightly more than TT525P but honestly don't think it will be considerably more. Would assume they will adjust the parallax to focus/parallax-correct closer in, like 15 yards or so, but definitely think it won't be more than 25. Just to stay competitive with the other players in this mag range - NF 7-35, ZCO 8-40 and Schmidt 6-36 mostly.

Hopefully will offer more elevation adjustment than the ZCO 8-40

 

[MOUNTIC]

You taking pre-orders. Will you take Confederate gold?

Not taking any pre-orders til we have a Sku# from Armament and the scope is an actual production item. And yes, yes I will take gold.

 

[pucker]

30-35 mils of internal travel with still the 28ish mils useable.

Was the travel confirmed?

Isn’t useable travel determined by cant and zero?

Apologies if a dumb question… but shouldn’t all internal travel be useable if I use enough cant?

 

[Huskydriver]

Was the travel confirmed?

Isn’t useable travel determined by cant and zero?

Apologies if a dumb question… but shouldn’t all internal travel be useable if I use enough cant?

No...if the turret only goes to 28 but you have 35 available... You will have some travel not utilized either above or below or both depending on where your 0 is

 

[BLKWLFK9]

Cant wait to see one of these. Doubt i'll replace my current TT so i probably wont let myself look through one, just to make it easier on the decision of not buying one. If i look through one, $5k will probably vanish from my account.

 

[MOUNTIC]

Husky is correct. If the turret is limited to two revs and can only physically dial 28 or so mils, there is no 3rd rev to dial more. Regardless of what internal adjustment the optic has. What it means really is you can use a 50moa base/mount combo and have a full 28 mils of travel without any worries.

No, numbers are not confirmed at this time. Just talk right now. Everything is just rough numbers and estimates. We won't know until they produce the actual production scope. Right now it's just development / prototype stage. Lots of things can change.

 

[pucker]

No...if the turret only goes to 28 but you have 35 available... You will have some travel not utilized either above or below or both depending on where your 0 is

So the extra “internal travel” makes it easier to get your useable 28 mils without resorting to so much cant?

I’m lost on the logic of that. Like building a 500hp motor and running it at 350… no?

Make a 35 mil turret and let me use more cant.

With people already fussing over the 28 mils in the 8-40… seems no-brainer.

Am I still missing something?

Happy to go to PM so I don’t muck up the thread further.

Edit: copy all MNTC, it is turret-limit..thanks Gents.

 

[Danrobberg]

The title is a bit misleading, what gets me is it is super easy to click the "Edit" button and change the name of your title. I have to write contractual documents, so maybe I'm a little more anal than others

Happy?

 

[NoLegs24]

I do know of one person who already ordered 3

I bet he’s some super smart awesome guy!

 

[CSTactical]

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So am I putting you down for a cool dozen?

 

[NoLegs24]

So am I putting you down for a cool dozen?

You’d have me as customer if my man J-Dawg didn’t have me covered already, .

 

[Glassaholic]

Happy?

You have made my OCD brain very happy

 

[Nik H]

So the extra “internal travel” makes it easier to get your useable 28 mils without resorting to so much cant?

I’m lost on the logic of that. Like building a 500hp motor and running it at 350… no?

Make a 35 mil turret and let me use more cant.

With people already fussing over the 28 mils in the 8-40… seems no-brainer.

Am I still missing something?

Happy to go to PM so I don’t muck up the thread further.

Edit: copy all MNTC, it is turret-limit..thanks Gents.

Agree that it makes no sense. A 50 MOA base provides ~14.5 mils of cant.

A 28 mil capable scope may not be able to achieve a 100 yard zero with a 50 MOA base since some of that adjustment is chewed up with establishing your zero. How much you chew up is based on your stick and how the scope is mounted to it. I usually eat about 1.2 mils using AI rifles and 1.5" high mounts. A 28 mil capable scope would leave me 13.4 mils below zero to add cant. 50 MOA in the rail/mount would not allow me to zero at 100 yards. That is why I only use the 30 MOA afforded to me by the scope rail and nothing in the mount.

How the "extra" internal adjustment actually helps this situation is beyond me since the erector position in the tube is set by the position of the elevation turret.

I would love to hear that explained by someone.

 

[clonebuilder]

Agree that it makes no sense. A 50 MOA base provides ~14.5 mils of cant.

A 28 mil capable scope may not be able to achieve a 100 yard zero with a 50 MOA base since some of that adjustment is chewed up with establishing zero based on your stick and how the scope is mounted to it. I usually eat about 1.2 mils using AI rifles and 1.5" high mounts. A 28 mil capable scope would leave me 13.4 mils below zero to add cant. An extra 20 MOA would not allow me to zero at 100 yards. That is why I only use the 30 MOA afforded to me by the scope rail and nothing in the mount.

How the "extra" internal adjustment actually helps this situation is beyond me since the erector tube position is set by the position of the elevation turret.

I would love to hear that explained by someone.

Would you be able to get away with 45 MOA?

 

[Nik H]

Would you be able to get away with 45 MOA?

Barely but don't know any mount providing 15 MOA of cant.

 

[clonebuilder]

Barely but don't know any mount providing 15 MOA of cant.

Tacops Scope bases on my xray66

 

[Nik H]

Tacops Scope bases on my xray66

Do they sell those separate from their rifle? I'll have to give Mike a call.

Still would like to understand the internal adjustment argument as well.

 

[clonebuilder]

Do they sell those separate from their rifle? I'll have to give Mike a call.

Still would like to understand the internal adjustment argument as well.

I think he does? Its like 24 moa, 34 moa and 45 moa mounts that he does.

 

[Glassaholic]

Barely but don't know any mount providing 15 MOA of cant.

ERATAC adjustable base mount

 

[MOUNTIC]

I have 50moa in my mount and base combo on one of my Tangent Theta 525p's. AXSR rail is 20. Running a 30 moa spuhr for a total of 50.

I started off with a 20moa mount and had enough to use a 30 so I swapped it out on this specific rifle.

 

[TheOE800]

Barely but don't know any mount providing 15 MOA of cant.

Near Mfg Alphamount.

 

[Glassaholic]

I have 50moa in my mount and base combo on one of my Tangent Theta 525p's. AXSR rail is 20. Running a 30 moa spuhr for a total of 50.

I started off with a 20moa mount and had enough to use a 30 so I swapped it out on this specific rifle.

Because Tangent Theta 5-25 has best in class IQ when maxed out to maximum elevation, there is no issue (that I am aware of) in using the scope in this manner, some may say that having it zeroed at the max elevation travel may stress the springs or something else mechanical, but optically there are no issues. I've never heard of TT's having to be sent back for warranty when maxed out at zero, not to say there haven't been issues, just saying I haven't seen any in the chatter.

 

[MOUNTIC]

Agree that it makes no sense. A 50 MOA base provides ~14.5 mils of cant.

A 28 mil capable scope may not be able to achieve a 100 yard zero with a 50 MOA base since some of that adjustment is chewed up with establishing your zero. How much you chew up is based on your stick and how the scope is mounted to it. I usually eat about 1.2 mils using AI rifles and 1.5" high mounts. A 28 mil capable scope would leave me 13.4 mils below zero to add cant. 50 MOA in the rail/mount would not allow me to zero at 100 yards. That is why I only use the 30 MOA afforded to me by the scope rail and nothing in the mount.

How the "extra" internal adjustment actually helps this situation is beyond me since the erector position in the tube is set by the position of the elevation turret.

I would love to hear that explained by someone.

The turret is limited to dial up from zero 28.8 mils.

The scopes have 30.5 ish mils of internal adjustment. So you could dial up to 28 mils. Losen the top plate, lift up and turn to 26 mils. Push turret down and tighten down. Dial up to 28 again. You just dialed an extra two mils for a total of 30. You can do the same on the bottom end. Dial to zero. Losen and put it to 5 mils. Tighten. See how much you can dial down. Little math and you can find out how much travel you actually have in the scope.


They advertise 28 mils... limited by the turret. It could have 40 mils in the scope but you can still only dial 28.8 mils up and .5 mils down. So really the turret itself travels 29.3 mils from its zero stop to the 28.8 mil mark.


Right now on this rifle I can dial to 28.2 mils With my 50moa base and mount setup and my 100 yard zero. I still have an extra 2.4 mils on the bottom end. So this specific scope has 30.6 mils of internal adjustment.

Hope that helps..

 

[NoLegs24]

This is why I use 40moa instead of 50moa for my TT setups (look at pic below). FOV goes to s*. Turns into an oval shape. I did 50moa early on, was able to get several rifles to zero at 100y no issue. But the oval was annoying. So I went back to 40moa

 

[Pronghunter]

Wish they would make a 4-20 model like ZCO for gassers. 3-15 power isn’t enough

They are.
I’m sure someone has already mentioned it. I didnt go through all the post.

 

[kthomas]

There's a few folks that I know that do single TT for all their guns... I think it's actually a good idea.

Swapping optics seems like a real pain in the ass.

Where the TT system would shine is on a rifle with multiple barrels.

 

[Nik H]

The turret is limited to dial up from zero 28.8 mils.

The scopes have 30.5 ish mils of internal adjustment. So you could dial up to 28 mils. Losen the top plate, lift up and turn to 26 mils. Push turret down and tighten down. Dial up to 28 again. You just dialed an extra two mils for a total of 30. You can do the same on the bottom end. Dial to zero. Losen and put it to 5 mils. Tighten. See how much you can dial down. Little math and you can find out how much travel you actually have in the scope.


They advertise 28 mils... limited by the turret. It could have 40 mils in the scope but you can still only dial 28.8 mils up and .5 mils down. So really the turret itself travels 29.3 mils from its zero stop to the 28.8 mil mark.


Right now on this rifle I can dial to 28.2 mils With my 50moa base and mount setup and my 100 yard zero. I still have an extra 2.4 mils on the bottom end. So this specific scope has 30.6 mils of internal adjustment.

Hope that helps..

Thanks for that answer. It makes sense now

 

[Nik H]

ERATAC adjustable base mount

Yes I know about that one but I never tried one. I always use Spuhr or ARC

 

[Secant]

They are.
I’m sure someone has already mentioned it. I didnt go through all the post.

Whhaaaaattttt?!?
A 4-20 Tangent? M or P series?

 

[BLKWLFK9]

Swapping optics seems like a real pain in the ass.

Where the TT system would shine is on a rifle with multiple barrels.

Hence why my TT is on an AI that has 9 barrels. Lol

 

[kthomas]

Hence why my TT is on an AI that has 9 barrels. Lol

Smart man.

I would love a TT, especially now that they've expanded their reticle selection. A TT would be perfect on my Mausingfield rifle (also multiple barrels).

 

[MOUNTIC]

Smart man.

I would love a TT, especially now that they've expanded their reticle selection. A TT would be perfect on my Mausingfield rifle (also multiple barrels).

Shoot me a PM when your ready.

Yes, they are perfect for the switch barrel rifles. Nothing easier then the tool less zero.

 

[Glassaholic]

This is why I use 40moa instead of 50moa for my TT setups (look at pic below). FOV goes to s*. Turns into an oval shape. I did 50moa early on, was able to get several rifles to zero at 100y no issue. But the oval was annoying. So I went back to 40moa

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Whhaaaaattttt?!?
A 4-20 Tangent? M or P series?

Yes, not much detail is known yet but they are working on something like this, I am hoping it is in the M series and ends up being lighter weight.

 

[TheOE800]

guess I’ll need to throw my 315M out…

 

[Krob95]

I'll take that 3-15m from ya. I'd hate to see you suffer with it

 

[Pronghunter]

Whhaaaaattttt?!?
A 4-20 Tangent? M or P series?

I believe they said P. I could be wrong on that.

 

[TheOE800]

I'll take that 3-15m from ya. I'd hate to see you suffer with it

I love that little thing, I’d rather sell my new 525P G3xr.

 

[3rdfocal]

Love the JTAC reticle, been close to trying a TT but would probably rather wait for a 7-35. Any news on a release date?