If I go buy fertilizer and diesel fuel, I get on a terrorist watchlist. But Tannerite is not much a different thing, and its sold at most major stores. I was wondering if anyone knew why it isn't illegal. Or at least what the stipulations are.
Tannerite, why is it legal?
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Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
Fertilizer and diesel fuel are also legal. And since to the best of my knowledge no one has used Tannerite in a "terroristic" manner, one can assume they are less concerned with it.
As per Wikipedia, a man was arrested for detonated 100lb of it though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=492577
Granted he was on probation, used a big amount....in proximity to a Nuclear Reactor (a real rocket scientific here).
Sounds like as long as people use common sense and act responsibly (good luck right), the feds may not concern themselves too deeply with it.
Fertilizer and diesel fuel are also legal. And since to the best of my knowledge no one has used Tannerite in a "terroristic" manner, one can assume they are less concerned with it.
As per Wikipedia, a man was arrested for detonated 100lb of it though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=492577
Granted he was on probation, used a big amount....in proximity to a Nuclear Reactor (a real rocket scientific here).
Sounds like as long as people use common sense and act responsibly (good luck right), the feds may not concern themselves too deeply with it.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
Oh and I don't think you automatically get on a watch list for buying Diesel and fertilizer...but I would expect a knock on the door from a few polite BATF Agents.
Oh and I don't think you automatically get on a watch list for buying Diesel and fertilizer...but I would expect a knock on the door from a few polite BATF Agents.
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Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
Like other household chem's you can get at Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Lowes, Hardware stores, or Auto supply, it's how it's mixed, an fused that stands out.
Little fact/print that is popping up an printed upon many common products,...It is a Federal crime to use this product in any matter other than it's intended manufactured, use.
Like other household chem's you can get at Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Lowes, Hardware stores, or Auto supply, it's how it's mixed, an fused that stands out.
Little fact/print that is popping up an printed upon many common products,...It is a Federal crime to use this product in any matter other than it's intended manufactured, use.
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Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-size: 20pt">SHHHHHHHHHUSH!</span> </div></div>
Precisely. Used as directed, it's all good, and Tannerite addresses this in their FAQ's. But there's plenty of vids out there and one news story (Tannerite v. Cement truck) that are going to fuck it up for the rest of us.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-size: 20pt">SHHHHHHHHHUSH!</span> </div></div>
Precisely. Used as directed, it's all good, and Tannerite addresses this in their FAQ's. But there's plenty of vids out there and one news story (Tannerite v. Cement truck) that are going to fuck it up for the rest of us.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
"Useless laws, weaken the necessary laws". - Montesquieu (1689-1755)
"Useless laws, weaken the necessary laws". - Montesquieu (1689-1755)
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
I feel the same way about the 'Slide-fire' stocks that are popping up all over the place. They bring alot of negative attention to the sport than any pleasure Bubba can get by blowing $$ and not hitting #$%&*#.
I feel the same way about the 'Slide-fire' stocks that are popping up all over the place. They bring alot of negative attention to the sport than any pleasure Bubba can get by blowing $$ and not hitting #$%&*#.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jericho</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it is only legal to transport while in its 2 parts. Once mixed it cant be transported. </div></div>
This is correct.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jericho</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it is only legal to transport while in its 2 parts. Once mixed it cant be transported. </div></div>
This is correct.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't it a commercial tool used in stump removal? </div></div>
No
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't it a commercial tool used in stump removal? </div></div>
No
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
Don't ask - don't tell.
The stuff is a blast!!! (pun intended) i hit a quart sized jar at 800 yards. There was no doubt of the hit... Tape your jars with duck tap before you shoot and you will have less broken containers without detonation.
Good luck
jerry
Don't ask - don't tell.
The stuff is a blast!!! (pun intended) i hit a quart sized jar at 800 yards. There was no doubt of the hit... Tape your jars with duck tap before you shoot and you will have less broken containers without detonation.
Good luck
jerry
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't it a commercial tool used in stump removal? </div></div>
No </div></div>
i've heard the stories of my grandfather using it to blast out stumps to clear an old field. works good apparently.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't it a commercial tool used in stump removal? </div></div>
No </div></div>
i've heard the stories of my grandfather using it to blast out stumps to clear an old field. works good apparently.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow every farmer in America must be on the watch list, An and Diesel must make all of them idiot terrorist. </div></div>
very true.
i might be wrong but i think the ATF has some sort of oversight on the hardcore high content ammonium nitrate fertilizers and places that sell it require ID if not business license to prove you are maybe going to possibly use it for fertilizer and not 'other' things if it hasnt be outright restricted to specific 'qualified' individuals
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow every farmer in America must be on the watch list, An and Diesel must make all of them idiot terrorist. </div></div>
very true.
i might be wrong but i think the ATF has some sort of oversight on the hardcore high content ammonium nitrate fertilizers and places that sell it require ID if not business license to prove you are maybe going to possibly use it for fertilizer and not 'other' things if it hasnt be outright restricted to specific 'qualified' individuals
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
I have been told by a very reliable source that ammonium nitrate is no longer available to anyone anymore, farmer or not. Has been 5 yrs since you could buy it here and that was only railcar at a time. No shipping by truck for fear of hijacking etc.
It is still made for the mining etc industry but is already premixed and sold as ANFO and is very carefully monitored as to who buys it and for what.
Farmers in these parts have had to use Urea(sp?) for nitrogen supplement if they want to use dry fertilizer or Anhydrous Ammonia.
Last AN I bought was 25 cents a pound(his going rate was $340/ton but I had to pay a premium just because,lol) and sure do wish I would have bought alot more than I did!!!! Shoveled it into 5 gals pails from about 1.5 rail car loads the dealer had piled up and remaining from spring and 3 rail cars. The good ole days.
I have been told by a very reliable source that ammonium nitrate is no longer available to anyone anymore, farmer or not. Has been 5 yrs since you could buy it here and that was only railcar at a time. No shipping by truck for fear of hijacking etc.
It is still made for the mining etc industry but is already premixed and sold as ANFO and is very carefully monitored as to who buys it and for what.
Farmers in these parts have had to use Urea(sp?) for nitrogen supplement if they want to use dry fertilizer or Anhydrous Ammonia.
Last AN I bought was 25 cents a pound(his going rate was $340/ton but I had to pay a premium just because,lol) and sure do wish I would have bought alot more than I did!!!! Shoveled it into 5 gals pails from about 1.5 rail car loads the dealer had piled up and remaining from spring and 3 rail cars. The good ole days.
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I got to play with Tannerite for the first time last weekend. Only used the 1/2lbs charges and those were enough. Pretty cool stuff but I agree with the others in that there will be some that ruin it for the rest of us by doing stupid shit with the stuff.
I got to play with Tannerite for the first time last weekend. Only used the 1/2lbs charges and those were enough. Pretty cool stuff but I agree with the others in that there will be some that ruin it for the rest of us by doing stupid shit with the stuff.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brutus1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't it a commercial tool used in stump removal? </div></div>
No </div></div>
i've heard the stories of my grandfather using it to blast out stumps to clear an old field. works good apparently.
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When I was 5 I remember my dad try ing a stick of dynamite on a Douglas fir stump - didn't work.
6 sticks - he rushes us to the other side of the house, KABOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!
MAN wood was flying, the stump was 6 feet away from the hole and life was good!
Nowdays they put you in jail for that kind of fun...bummer.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brutus1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Isn't it a commercial tool used in stump removal? </div></div>
No </div></div>
i've heard the stories of my grandfather using it to blast out stumps to clear an old field. works good apparently.
</div></div>
When I was 5 I remember my dad try ing a stick of dynamite on a Douglas fir stump - didn't work.
6 sticks - he rushes us to the other side of the house, KABOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!
MAN wood was flying, the stump was 6 feet away from the hole and life was good!
Nowdays they put you in jail for that kind of fun...bummer.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
I've been selling Tannerite for years. There are lots of reason why Tannerite is legal. The biggest would have to be the context in which it's sold/marketed.
It's a Target, nothing more and nothing less. So it's used for sporting purposes. So there is no real criminal intent behind it. Second, anyone can make their own explosive device as long as they use it the same day they made it and they are not using it to throw harmful particles or misusing it in any fashion.
It's like black powder in a way, that's ready made explosive material but you can buy it for sporting purposes all day long.
I've been selling Tannerite for years. There are lots of reason why Tannerite is legal. The biggest would have to be the context in which it's sold/marketed.
It's a Target, nothing more and nothing less. So it's used for sporting purposes. So there is no real criminal intent behind it. Second, anyone can make their own explosive device as long as they use it the same day they made it and they are not using it to throw harmful particles or misusing it in any fashion.
It's like black powder in a way, that's ready made explosive material but you can buy it for sporting purposes all day long.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I go buy fertilizer and diesel fuel, I get on a terrorist watchlist. But Tannerite is not much a different thing, and its sold at most major stores. I was wondering if anyone knew why it isn't illegal. Or at least what the stipulations are.
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I have bought deisel fuel and fertilizer, am I on a terrorist watchlist?
Many things are legal in this country that people consider dangerous, should we outlaw that as well?
a guy killed 82 people with a dollars worth of gas, should we outlaw gasoline?
People misuse guns, should we outlaw them as well?
The United States used to be a free country but sheep who wonder why things like tannerite or other 'dangerous' things need to be outlawed, we allow our government to take away our rights because of a bunch of chicken littles worrying about the sky falling.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I go buy fertilizer and diesel fuel, I get on a terrorist watchlist. But Tannerite is not much a different thing, and its sold at most major stores. I was wondering if anyone knew why it isn't illegal. Or at least what the stipulations are.
I have bought deisel fuel and fertilizer, am I on a terrorist watchlist?
Many things are legal in this country that people consider dangerous, should we outlaw that as well?
a guy killed 82 people with a dollars worth of gas, should we outlaw gasoline?
People misuse guns, should we outlaw them as well?
The United States used to be a free country but sheep who wonder why things like tannerite or other 'dangerous' things need to be outlawed, we allow our government to take away our rights because of a bunch of chicken littles worrying about the sky falling.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been told by a very reliable source that ammonium nitrate is no longer available to anyone anymore, farmer or not. Has been 5 yrs since you could buy it here and that was only railcar at a time. No shipping by truck for fear of hijacking etc.
It is still made for the mining etc industry but is already premixed and sold as ANFO and is very carefully monitored as to who buys it and for what.
Farmers in these parts have had to use Urea(sp?) for nitrogen supplement if they want to use dry fertilizer or Anhydrous Ammonia.
Last AN I bought was 25 cents a pound(his going rate was $340/ton but I had to pay a premium just because,lol) and sure do wish I would have bought alot more than I did!!!! Shoveled it into 5 gals pails from about 1.5 rail car loads the dealer had piled up and remaining from spring and 3 rail cars. The good ole days. </div></div>
Ammonium Nitrate is still available, I have bought some within the past couple of years and know people who still buy it and use it to make fireworks (Legally).
Potassium perchlorate and aluminum powder is more dangerous than tannerite and those chemicals are still available and legal.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been told by a very reliable source that ammonium nitrate is no longer available to anyone anymore, farmer or not. Has been 5 yrs since you could buy it here and that was only railcar at a time. No shipping by truck for fear of hijacking etc.
It is still made for the mining etc industry but is already premixed and sold as ANFO and is very carefully monitored as to who buys it and for what.
Farmers in these parts have had to use Urea(sp?) for nitrogen supplement if they want to use dry fertilizer or Anhydrous Ammonia.
Last AN I bought was 25 cents a pound(his going rate was $340/ton but I had to pay a premium just because,lol) and sure do wish I would have bought alot more than I did!!!! Shoveled it into 5 gals pails from about 1.5 rail car loads the dealer had piled up and remaining from spring and 3 rail cars. The good ole days. </div></div>
Ammonium Nitrate is still available, I have bought some within the past couple of years and know people who still buy it and use it to make fireworks (Legally).
Potassium perchlorate and aluminum powder is more dangerous than tannerite and those chemicals are still available and legal.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
Guess I should have given the statement made by the individual more thought as the company that makes Tannerite along with others can still purchase it.
IT IT NOT available within 500 miles of me as I have diligently checked everywhere...and I live in the middle of farming country!!!!! The last AN that came into this area was 5yrs ago and it was 3 rail cars. A fertizlizer dealer ordered it and was supposed to be dropped 160 miles southwest of here. Burlington Northern either made a mistake or wouldn't deliver to supposed rail site. Buyer ended up having it trucked from here to his business 160 miles away. He and the supplier/broker both told me they would not ship via truck, only rail????
Guess I should have given the statement made by the individual more thought as the company that makes Tannerite along with others can still purchase it.
IT IT NOT available within 500 miles of me as I have diligently checked everywhere...and I live in the middle of farming country!!!!! The last AN that came into this area was 5yrs ago and it was 3 rail cars. A fertizlizer dealer ordered it and was supposed to be dropped 160 miles southwest of here. Burlington Northern either made a mistake or wouldn't deliver to supposed rail site. Buyer ended up having it trucked from here to his business 160 miles away. He and the supplier/broker both told me they would not ship via truck, only rail????
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
CF Industries on Paul Buchman Hwy in Plant City is where I bought the last 2 or 3 bags of Ammonium Nitrate.
I think if you were buying a large amount, like a few tons of it, and they didn't know you they might ask some questions, but AN is like any other chemical, if misused it can be deadly.
Smoking cigarettes kills more people than terroris attacks, all the wares we have been in and murders in the United states, but that is still a legal product sold in the US and the government collects a lot of tax money on the sales of cigarette's. seems to me if the government was really concerned about the safety and well being of the citizens they would outlaw cigarettes, instead of making a big deal out of fertilizer.
CF Industries on Paul Buchman Hwy in Plant City is where I bought the last 2 or 3 bags of Ammonium Nitrate.
I think if you were buying a large amount, like a few tons of it, and they didn't know you they might ask some questions, but AN is like any other chemical, if misused it can be deadly.
Smoking cigarettes kills more people than terroris attacks, all the wares we have been in and murders in the United states, but that is still a legal product sold in the US and the government collects a lot of tax money on the sales of cigarette's. seems to me if the government was really concerned about the safety and well being of the citizens they would outlaw cigarettes, instead of making a big deal out of fertilizer.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
If it is governed anything like Thermite, the issue comes up post-mixing. I mixed up a batch of thermite to play with in college and the pieces (powder aluminum and iron oxide) and had similar questions as to the legality of it. So I spoke with the local PD and they said that the components aren't regulated as its only metal and rust essentially. However once they are mixed together, they become an "incendiary device" and have to be shipped/transported in specific containers. I asked if my Home Depot 5 gal bucket was good enough.... he said no.
So basically, as long as the components aren't mixed, they are not regulated, but once they are mixed they have a bunch of rules.
If it is governed anything like Thermite, the issue comes up post-mixing. I mixed up a batch of thermite to play with in college and the pieces (powder aluminum and iron oxide) and had similar questions as to the legality of it. So I spoke with the local PD and they said that the components aren't regulated as its only metal and rust essentially. However once they are mixed together, they become an "incendiary device" and have to be shipped/transported in specific containers. I asked if my Home Depot 5 gal bucket was good enough.... he said no.
So basically, as long as the components aren't mixed, they are not regulated, but once they are mixed they have a bunch of rules.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CF Industries on Paul Buchman Hwy in Plant City is where I bought the last 2 or 3 bags of Ammonium Nitrate. </div></div>
Alot has changed in the last couple of years. I'll be willing to bet they don't have bags anymore(they quit selling it bagged here several yrs back which came out of northern MN). If we cannot buy AN in any form in the middle of ag country I would be shocked if you can still buy it in FL.
Maybe terrorists need to read your comments about tabacco and just drop a plane load of Camel's(NOT camel's as in 'camel toe'
) next time into a crowd instead of making a truck bomb and setting it somewhere????
Not wanting to argue, just telling how it is around here with availability. Trust me if it was available at every Home Depot etc there would be damn side more incidents with its use than what we have seen so far. Just see this week on CNN that some middle east country was starting to try and 'control' fertilizer purchase(and I am sure they meant AN) because of purchases for IED's!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CF Industries on Paul Buchman Hwy in Plant City is where I bought the last 2 or 3 bags of Ammonium Nitrate. </div></div>
Alot has changed in the last couple of years. I'll be willing to bet they don't have bags anymore(they quit selling it bagged here several yrs back which came out of northern MN). If we cannot buy AN in any form in the middle of ag country I would be shocked if you can still buy it in FL.
Maybe terrorists need to read your comments about tabacco and just drop a plane load of Camel's(NOT camel's as in 'camel toe'
Not wanting to argue, just telling how it is around here with availability. Trust me if it was available at every Home Depot etc there would be damn side more incidents with its use than what we have seen so far. Just see this week on CNN that some middle east country was starting to try and 'control' fertilizer purchase(and I am sure they meant AN) because of purchases for IED's!!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CF Industries on Paul Buchman Hwy in Plant City is where I bought the last 2 or 3 bags of Ammonium Nitrate. </div></div>
Alot has changed in the last couple of years. I'll be willing to bet they don't have bags anymore(they quit selling it bagged here several yrs back which came out of northern MN). If we cannot buy AN in any form in the middle of ag country I would be shocked if you can still buy it in FL.
Maybe terrorists need to read your comments about tabacco and just drop a plane load of Camel's(NOT camel's as in 'camel toe'
) next time into a crowd instead of making a truck bomb and setting it somewhere????
Not wanting to argue, just telling how it is around here with availability. Trust me if it was available at every Home Depot etc there would be damn side more incidents with its use than what we have seen so far. Just see this week on CNN that some middle east country was starting to try and 'control' fertilizer purchase(and I am sure they meant AN) because of purchases for IED's!!! </div></div>
CF Ind, outside of Plant City Fl. makes tons of 99.9% pure AN everyday, which is something anyone can make.
My question is why would someone screw around with such out dated technology, that weights as much as it does for no more bang than you get?
Some folks need to revisit a quality Chem course, it's 2011 not the 40's. Texas City as long ago, an things have gotten a shade better. The newer stuff can be painted on, an in any shade you choose,...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CF Industries on Paul Buchman Hwy in Plant City is where I bought the last 2 or 3 bags of Ammonium Nitrate. </div></div>
Alot has changed in the last couple of years. I'll be willing to bet they don't have bags anymore(they quit selling it bagged here several yrs back which came out of northern MN). If we cannot buy AN in any form in the middle of ag country I would be shocked if you can still buy it in FL.
Maybe terrorists need to read your comments about tabacco and just drop a plane load of Camel's(NOT camel's as in 'camel toe'
Not wanting to argue, just telling how it is around here with availability. Trust me if it was available at every Home Depot etc there would be damn side more incidents with its use than what we have seen so far. Just see this week on CNN that some middle east country was starting to try and 'control' fertilizer purchase(and I am sure they meant AN) because of purchases for IED's!!! </div></div>
CF Ind, outside of Plant City Fl. makes tons of 99.9% pure AN everyday, which is something anyone can make.
My question is why would someone screw around with such out dated technology, that weights as much as it does for no more bang than you get?
Some folks need to revisit a quality Chem course, it's 2011 not the 40's. Texas City as long ago, an things have gotten a shade better. The newer stuff can be painted on, an in any shade you choose,...
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CF Industries on Paul Buchman Hwy in Plant City is where I bought the last 2 or 3 bags of Ammonium Nitrate. </div></div>
Alot has changed in the last couple of years. I'll be willing to bet they don't have bags anymore(they quit selling it bagged here several yrs back which came out of northern MN). If we cannot buy AN in any form in the middle of ag country I would be shocked if you can still buy it in FL.
Maybe terrorists need to read your comments about tabacco and just drop a plane load of Camel's(NOT camel's as in 'camel toe'
) next time into a crowd instead of making a truck bomb and setting it somewhere????
Not wanting to argue, just telling how it is around here with availability. Trust me if it was available at every Home Depot etc there would be damn side more incidents with its use than what we have seen so far. Just see this week on CNN that some middle east country was starting to try and 'control' fertilizer purchase(and I am sure they meant AN) because of purchases for IED's!!! </div></div>
I will buy a couple of bags next week and post a picture of it and the receipt.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bgbill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CF Industries on Paul Buchman Hwy in Plant City is where I bought the last 2 or 3 bags of Ammonium Nitrate. </div></div>
Alot has changed in the last couple of years. I'll be willing to bet they don't have bags anymore(they quit selling it bagged here several yrs back which came out of northern MN). If we cannot buy AN in any form in the middle of ag country I would be shocked if you can still buy it in FL.
Maybe terrorists need to read your comments about tabacco and just drop a plane load of Camel's(NOT camel's as in 'camel toe'
Not wanting to argue, just telling how it is around here with availability. Trust me if it was available at every Home Depot etc there would be damn side more incidents with its use than what we have seen so far. Just see this week on CNN that some middle east country was starting to try and 'control' fertilizer purchase(and I am sure they meant AN) because of purchases for IED's!!! </div></div>
I will buy a couple of bags next week and post a picture of it and the receipt.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
who is gonna set a deadly amount of tannerite next to a building in an open area to have to shoot it, which would expose him/herself.. i'm pretty sure someone wanting to really be a terrorist would get a hold of some bigger and better stuff.
who is gonna set a deadly amount of tannerite next to a building in an open area to have to shoot it, which would expose him/herself.. i'm pretty sure someone wanting to really be a terrorist would get a hold of some bigger and better stuff.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
I hear what your sayin 427cobra. Are you guy's serious.
I put out about 4 tons of 10.10.10 fertilizer a year and a butt load of diesel to get the work done. And I'm small time in my area. hope I'm not on any watch list. never even crossed my mind. No ones ever came knockin but I live pretty far out in the sticks.
30 minute drive to the closest small town.
I hear what your sayin 427cobra. Are you guy's serious.
I put out about 4 tons of 10.10.10 fertilizer a year and a butt load of diesel to get the work done. And I'm small time in my area. hope I'm not on any watch list. never even crossed my mind. No ones ever came knockin but I live pretty far out in the sticks.
30 minute drive to the closest small town.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been told by a very reliable source that ammonium nitrate is no longer available to anyone anymore, farmer or not. Has been 5 yrs since you could buy it here and that was only railcar at a time. No shipping by truck for fear of hijacking etc.
It is still made for the mining etc industry but is already premixed and sold as ANFO and is very carefully monitored as to who buys it and for what.
Farmers in these parts have had to use Urea(sp?) for nitrogen supplement if they want to use dry fertilizer or Anhydrous Ammonia.
Last AN I bought was 25 cents a pound(his going rate was $340/ton but I had to pay a premium just because,lol) and sure do wish I would have bought alot more than I did!!!! Shoveled it into 5 gals pails from about 1.5 rail car loads the dealer had piled up and remaining from spring and 3 rail cars. The good ole days. </div></div>
well jokes on them i guess since you can make urea nitrate out of urea and make some nice explosives..maybe not as effective as others, but will still ruin someone's day
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been told by a very reliable source that ammonium nitrate is no longer available to anyone anymore, farmer or not. Has been 5 yrs since you could buy it here and that was only railcar at a time. No shipping by truck for fear of hijacking etc.
It is still made for the mining etc industry but is already premixed and sold as ANFO and is very carefully monitored as to who buys it and for what.
Farmers in these parts have had to use Urea(sp?) for nitrogen supplement if they want to use dry fertilizer or Anhydrous Ammonia.
Last AN I bought was 25 cents a pound(his going rate was $340/ton but I had to pay a premium just because,lol) and sure do wish I would have bought alot more than I did!!!! Shoveled it into 5 gals pails from about 1.5 rail car loads the dealer had piled up and remaining from spring and 3 rail cars. The good ole days. </div></div>
well jokes on them i guess since you can make urea nitrate out of urea and make some nice explosives..maybe not as effective as others, but will still ruin someone's day
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
I was told that urea based nitrogen absolutely will not work?????
As for 10-10-10 that wouldn't blow a sick whore off a piss pot no matter how much diesel you mix with it, maybe mixing C4 but damn sure not diesel. Only 34-0-0 is all I have ever used. Knew of several different people mixing diesel with other mixed(nitrogen,phosphate,etc) fertilizers and shot it thinking they had built something, all they did was ruin the soil underneath for a few years.
I was told that urea based nitrogen absolutely will not work?????
As for 10-10-10 that wouldn't blow a sick whore off a piss pot no matter how much diesel you mix with it, maybe mixing C4 but damn sure not diesel. Only 34-0-0 is all I have ever used. Knew of several different people mixing diesel with other mixed(nitrogen,phosphate,etc) fertilizers and shot it thinking they had built something, all they did was ruin the soil underneath for a few years.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
Good to know. For me =10.10.10. = corn = happy cattle = money for more rifles <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was told that urea based nitrogen absolutely will not work?????
As for 10-10-10 that wouldn't blow a sick whore off a piss pot no matter how much diesel you mix with it, maybe mixing C4 but damn sure not diesel. Only 34-0-0 is all I have ever used. Knew of several different people mixing diesel with other mixed(nitrogen,phosphate,etc) fertilizers and shot it thinking they had built something, all they did was ruin the soil underneath for a few years.
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Good to know. For me =10.10.10. = corn = happy cattle = money for more rifles <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SDWhirlwind</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was told that urea based nitrogen absolutely will not work?????
As for 10-10-10 that wouldn't blow a sick whore off a piss pot no matter how much diesel you mix with it, maybe mixing C4 but damn sure not diesel. Only 34-0-0 is all I have ever used. Knew of several different people mixing diesel with other mixed(nitrogen,phosphate,etc) fertilizers and shot it thinking they had built something, all they did was ruin the soil underneath for a few years.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VaFarmer2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hear what your sayin 427cobra. Are you guy's serious.
I put out about 4 tons of 10.10.10 fertilizer a year and a butt load of diesel to get the work done. And I'm small time in my area. hope I'm not on any watch list. never even crossed my mind. No ones ever came knockin but I live pretty far out in the sticks.
30 minute drive to the closest small town. </div></div>
Your on the watchlist now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VaFarmer2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hear what your sayin 427cobra. Are you guy's serious.
I put out about 4 tons of 10.10.10 fertilizer a year and a butt load of diesel to get the work done. And I'm small time in my area. hope I'm not on any watch list. never even crossed my mind. No ones ever came knockin but I live pretty far out in the sticks.
30 minute drive to the closest small town. </div></div>
Your on the watchlist now.
Re: Tannerite, why is it legal?
Guess it's time to sell the farm...
I hear Walmart is looking for a door greeter.
Guess it's time to sell the farm...
I hear Walmart is looking for a door greeter.
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