Tatical Light

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I keep reading more and more about lights. I just cannot make up my mind what i should get. I would like something that is LED and bright. Also something that can be put in momentary strobe mode. I intend to use this in my house, and depending on my size on my person, for a defence light. I would really like to know what others use, and if anyone has had good experiances with something.

Thanks
 
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How much do you plan on using it, and what type of batteries do you want to run?

Just my personal choice, but I opted for the Nitecore Defender Infinity for my duty light. It runs AA batteries in primary (throw away AA's), Nimh AA's, or the higher voltage lithium rechargables. Note the rechargable lithiums will give you greater light output due to their higher voltage. You can pick up a nightcore for around $70.00 here -

http://www.batteryjunction.com/nitecore-ndi-r2.html

For a good Nimh charger, look here -

http://www.thomasdistributing.com/shop/-p-405.html?value=frontpage

I like the MAHA C9000. For batteries, if you don't already have any, go with the new slow self-discharge Nimh kind.

If you want to get into rechargeable lithium batteries you need a charger made for recharging lithiums - not many places make or carry them. Here is the most recommended model if you want to go that route -

http://www.flashlightz.com/product.php?product=171829

This charger will recharge AA and 123 lithium rechargables. Note you will have to buy the spacer kit for the 123's or make your own.

If you want to step up and spend more money on a tactical light with a bullet proof warranty and something that is built like a tank check out the RA cliky line. I have the Executive 140 and the Tactical 170. These run on either primary (throw aways) or the RCR123 lithium rechargables. If you are going to run this type of light using this type of batteries, it pays to look for models that will take the rechargables, as using only primary batts can get costly depending on how much you use them.
Sure the cost of the charger and recharable batts is there, but over the long term, you'll be money ahead.

See the RA clickies here - http://ralights.com/?id=Products

Alot of folks will recommend surefire. I can't and won't say they are good or bad as I have no experience with them. When I was really looking into tactical lights, there were no surefire's that I was aware of that could run the rechargable batteries - only primary throw aways, so that lead me towards nitecore and RA.

All three of these models can be user programmed and include tactical strobe. The Nitecore has infinite settings - on high it's either high or tac. strobe, and the second setting is any infinite lower setting you desire. Very easy to adjust just by twisting the head in sequence.

The RA clickies are also highly customizable, but it's a little more work. They will give you an A, B, C setting with an addtional momentary setting. You can choose what output each setting is.

Both have their pros and cons. The nitecore uses 1 AA. AA's are plentiful and cheap. It's also slightly smaller in diameter. The Clickies use 123's or RCR123's giving higher output in a comparable sized light. The plus here is that primary 123's have approx. a 10 year shelf life. Keep some of these around in a holder in case of emergency and run rechargabeles the rest of the time.

You can read for days over on candlepowerforums if you want to spend the time.

Here's another option I have on my key chain -

http://arcflashlight.com/arc-aaa.shtml

Arc also makes the ARC6, but it's costly and has shorter run times compared to the clickies.

All in all, I'm very happy with just owning these 4 lights. I could get buy with one less clicky and go with only 3. I'm not into collecting lights as some are. I just wanted to buy high end lights that I would use.

Good luck and remember - buy once, cry once. Torches are like good glass, you do get what you pay for and in the long run you'll be money ahead.

Take note that you'll need both chargers if you run Nimh and lithium rechargable batteries. To my knowledge, there isn't a company out there that will make a charger that does both types in the same unit. Has something to do with liability and the different voltages that rechargable lithiums take.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Streamlight PT2L for the win. </div></div>


for the money this light is hard hard hard to beat.
 
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I've been impressed with the olight M20 Warrior. I have 2 of these lights one is the M20S Special Ops Warrior Tactical LED Flashlight with CREE XP-G S2 LED which is 340 lumens. Battery Junction has it for about $98. The other is M20 R5 Warrior Tactical which is 320 lumens for about $95. If you watch some times you can get them on sale and save some money. Both lights have been used as hand held and weapon mounted lights used on my .223 ar15 and a 12 gauge shotgun. Actually used them in a low light 3 gun match couple weeks ago and both worked flawless on both platforms. Some others in the match had problems with their lights dimming under recoil. For the money I feel they are great lights at a good value. If you need something even brighter and don't mind the slightly larger size for about 40 bucks more you can get a M30 which I believe is 700 lumens. I use this for when I have to locate cattle across the pasture at night. Very bright for such a small light. All have strobe features too, just in case you need that application.
 
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It doesn't have the strobe, but the Surefire E2D is an awesome light. 200 lumens will surely be enough to stun anyone in the dark. It'll put the yellow/blue circles in your field of view for a few minutes (damn nephew...).

SS
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: praharin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/564014-REG/Surefire_HF1B_HellFighter_Searchlight_.html

You can use it to melt your attacker. </div></div>

Still laughing..... 3,000 Lumen.....$5,100.00 Price tag....

A must have item in every kit!

I just got the new Surefire 6PX for $65 and I'm very happy with it. If you want one with a strobe you will have to get the 6PX Pro. I want to say it's another $5-10 for it.

-Pat
 
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I second the fenix lights.. I have TK21 and I love it.. Has seen hard use in just about every type of enviroment...only downfall to it is that it is a little large to carry around in your pants pocket..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: theogre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I keep reading more and more about lights. I just cannot make up my mind what i should get. I would like something that is <span style="font-weight: bold">LED and bright</span>. Also something that can be put in <span style="font-weight: bold">momentary strobe mode</span>. I intend to use this in my house, and depending on my size on my person, for a defence light. I would really <span style="font-weight: bold">like to know what others use</span>, and if anyone has had good experiances with something.

Thanks
</div></div> Three options that I personally use:

Defense light? The best defense light is the one that is attached to a weapon. A Streamlight TLR-1s is on my Glock and another is on my 12ga. Sturdy and you can find them on sale for around $100 or so. The strobe activates with a double tap of the light switch. It's very bright and will completely light up a room with a hot center that almost acts as an aiming point. They come with adapters to fit onto pretty much every common rail system out there. Link

In my pocket I've carried a Nitecore Extreme Infinity flashlight for the last 18 months. It is a single 123A battery LED flashlight, has a real good feel to it, and is compact enough to carry and not notice it. I use it every day, beat the hell out of it, dropped it a couple dozen times, and it keeps going. Very bright, illuminates out past 100m with a tight hot center. You activate the strobe feature with a quick 1/2 off-on twist of the head, and you can leave it set there for first use when pushing the click switch, but going full hot will blind the hell out of anyone anyhow. You can find them for around $80 or so. Link

For a 2 123A battery LED, I use a light from 4Sevens, The Maelstrom G5. Weapon mountable, strobe, extremely bright, and strong as hell. It has a rather large head so it doesn't get carried all the time, only in my gear. Link
 
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First look at lummen output, the higher the lummen output generally will indicate a brighter light when combined with a narrower beam spread at a specfic distance when kelvin temperatures are similar. Example a 340 lumen flashlight at 5000K with a 30 degree beam spread will appear less bright than a 340 lumen flashlight at 5000K with a 16 degree beam spread at 20 feet, this is because usable light is being used to illuminate the ancillary areas outside of the narrower beam. Example; take those same two flashlights and go outside on a very dark night and shine both flashlights, the wider beam spread will give you more usable light because it will illuminate more area, but take the same two flashlights into a dark room and splash them against a white wall 10 feet away and the narrower beam will appear more intense than the other. You can see where marketing guys can play there games.

Then look for lumens per watt, that will give you your light output to battery life. Just as it looks Lumens divided by watts. The higher the LPW the better the efficacy you will get. Think of it as miles per gallon. This is where LED's (Light emmitting diode's) have an advatage to halogen lights. Understanding how light is generated will further explain this also; light output in layman's terms is the result of heat. In a halogen bulb, 70% of the energy generated is heat and 30% roughly is light, where a LED generates roughly 80% light and 20% heat. that is why a traditional halogen flashlight gets hotter than a LED, energy is being wasted in the transmission of heat instead of light.

Finally look at Kelvin temperature, higher temp rating, usually over 3000K is cold light, and lower temps below 3000K is warmer light. Also here is where the marketing guys plays games, they will due the comparative test against a wall and competitor X's light which is lower on the Kelvin Index will not appear as bright as theirs which is higher on the index when splashed against a wall. Theirs will look very white and the competitors will look more yellowish. This is due to the Kelvin Temperature being used. They are playing the apples to oranges game.

LED (Light emmitting diode) have been around for 40+ years in the computer industry and have been recently intergrated in all sorts of lighting due to the very high LPW which in turn constitutes efficacy. If you are going to go the way of LED, Cree is the industry leader in that aspect with regard to quality microprocessors and modules.

Bet you didn't think you would see this on a LR forum
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Witch Doctor,

Thanks. Really good info with the technical specs, but when shopping for a light you really never see any of the specs you're quoting other than the lumens, and I'm aware those are skewed. That's why I didn't throw those out in my recommendations.

Surefire measurements seem more conservative than most of the other brands, which all seem hyped. Do you have a source (other than candlepowerforums) that could help out the layman shopper in their selection?
 
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I would look at the lights you like, then call their Tech Departments and ask the questions. Particularly beam spread, lumens output, and kelvin temperature. They will have them in their specification sheets, especially if they are mil-spec or have been submitted for government contract. Surefire and Streamlight have very good customer service and technical departments. You can also inquire where they outsource their components from, if its LED I would stay with a company that uses Cree Industries . Another avenue would be to contact Cree directly and ask what manufactures they distribute their components to, they should have no issues releasing that information to you as it indirectly promotes their product.

Unfortunately with most flashlight companies outsourceing from numerous vendors, it is hard to get the exact lighting specs sometimes, because they are more interested in marketing and sales. They are not actually promoting R&D, but relying on the vendor for that. You just need to know what to ask and where to look. If the company Tech Support isn't helpfull, contact the sales rep for the area, they will have the information and can tell you where the outsource the components from. Once you know the component manufacture, call them direct or go to their website. All the specs will be there.
 
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Thanks everyone. I got an itac Defence light with the handle for my shotgun, and I love it. I also ordered a olight M21. I will comment on it after I get it.

I never thought about asking about temperture and ordered them already.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tip2oo3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.surefire.com/G2X6PXCampaign
For 55-70 these flashlights would be very hard to beat. I use surefire lights at work and won't run anything else. 200 lumens will be plenty of usable white light for you. </div></div>

+1 on this...

I got one for Christmas and its going to replace the E2D for my duty light. Brighter by 80 lumens and half the price. No strobe on it, but comin from a guy that has a strobe feature on one of their lights, I rarely get an opportunity that I might even think of using it.

I'd stay away from surefire's two stage switches also. If you try to use momentary light you wind up inadvertently switching light output levels and it can be pretty annoying.
 
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I've owned and or played with alot of lights, most recent research lead me here:
Olight M20S
"S" is for side switch, very cool feature for strobe or cycling through modes.
Olight is currently making 2 models, M20S S2 LED & M20-S.
M20S S2 LED- has the newer, slightly bighter, slightly longer burn time, Cree XP-G S2 LED
M20-S - has a little older Cree XP-G R5 LED
All other features and specs are the same.
Olight USA -US importer


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