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^^^^^^ Why would you not use red loctite on the first installation?You can either red loctite the brake to your rifle, wait a day, and unscrew it.
My TBAC can with brake and my Hellfire brake are different. If i want to switch I need to take it off. That's why I use blue or nothing.^^^^^^ Why would you not use red loctite on the first installation?
Why not just use the hellfire suppressor adapter in the TBAC can and keep the hellfire universal adapter on the gun?My TBAC can with brake and my Hellfire brake are different. If i want to switch I need to take it off. That's why I use blue or nothing.
Because Hellfire doesn’t actually use a Taper.Why not just use the hellfire suppressor adapter in the TBAC can and keep the hellfire universal adapter on the gun?
JP Rifles jam nut and a Precision Armament muzzle thread adapter.Where can you get a 5/8 x 24 bolt and nut. This is not a common thread pitch. Looked everywhere local and don't have them. Anyone know where can order from?
They aren't that hard to findWhere can you get a 5/8 x 24 bolt and nut. This is not a common thread pitch. Looked everywhere local and don't have them. Anyone know where can order from?
How do you figure?Because Hellfire doesn’t actually use a Taper.
How do you figure?
LOL
We should have a communal tool& thread like this one:
Pay it forward to the "next guy" posting to thread who dorked it up with no loctite.
@Zak Smith any reason why red loctite over Rocksett?
I have asked this before too.@Zak Smith any reason why red loctite over Rocksett?
Definitely has been my experience with it. I've been using the permatex 27200 I think it is (high temp red locktite) on my qd breaks for years now and never had any issue. When I want to take it off I hit with a torch for a few seconds and unscrew. It's so gummy even when super hot that it takes constant corce to get anything to turn, but if you do want to remove it, you can. It's ideal.Yes, because Rocksett is no stronger than blue loctite.
Also, if you notice, with the Surefire "Fast Attach" cans, the body of the suppressor is not rotated to remove them. It's just the collar that you turn and then the can comes straight off, so there isn't a lot of rotation torque (in the loosening direction) applied when you remove them. I'd hazard a guess that's why they get away with using Rocksett.
ETA-- Red loctite has a lot higher breakaway torque, and #272 is so gummy when it's set, that even if you technically melted it, a muzzle device is not coming loose anyway.
Never had direct thread jamb yet. LOL I can take the extra 3 seconds.My Ultra7 is a direct thread now
Mine too.My Ultra7 is a direct thread now
Thanks for the explanation, Zak, I appreciate it. I have definitely had Q style mounts get stuck in cans using rocksett myself, regardless of where the taper is! I'll take the more compact tbac system. My company owns and produces Loctite; this kind of talk helps my bonus let's keep it upYes, because Rocksett is no stronger than blue loctite.
Also, if you notice, with the Surefire "Fast Attach" cans, the body of the suppressor is not rotated to remove them. It's just the collar that you turn and then the can comes straight off, so there isn't a lot of rotation torque (in the loosening direction) applied when you remove them. I'd hazard a guess that's why they get away with using Rocksett.
ETA-- Red loctite has a lot higher breakaway torque, and #272 is so gummy when it's set, that even if you technically melted it, a muzzle device is not coming loose anyway.
The thing that gets me is the guys saying "just torque it to XYZ foot pounds and it ain't coming off!"
Well, not unless your suppressor is welded on there so GD tight that you can apply more than XYZ foot pounds and the threads offering least resistance are the ones between the brake and the barrel, rather than the ones between the brake and the can.
There is plenty of evidence/experience that the carbon can seize the can up tighter than the ROYGBIV choose your rainbow color locktite can hold the muzzle device. As seen in this thread (e.g., "my Ultra7 is now a DT")
Seems like there is a lot of users that don't properly torque their brakes. Max torque for a 316 stainless 1/2-20 fastener is around 65lbft and 5/8-18 is over 100lbft. I have never seen a muzzle brake installed with just 35lbft just twist off by hand. Thread locker shouldn't be necessary.
I imagine thermal expansion properties can have an effect on muzzle devices loosening.
If the muzzle device is made of a material that that will expand more than the barrel at any given heat, it would be more prone to loosening if exposed to high heat.
This is all conjecture as I haven't looked into different muzzle device materials and their thermal expansion properties when compared to the typical SS barrel, but it's a cursory thought.
Having dealt with the general public, and reading the posts in this thread, I am comfortable concluding 99% are user error. Most likely they spun the mount on with loktite and minimal torque (if not hand tight). The glue didn't bond and there wasn't sufficient torque to retain the brake. 35lbft with a 3/8 torque wrench on a muzzle brake feels like a fair amount of torque and it doesn't just come off by hand. Someone even said they "installed 11 for work" and several came off. How is that even possible if any torque at all was used? The answer is it isn't possible and that person shouldn't be doing installs for their employer.
So now you're smarter and know better than what the manufacturer recommends? Ha!I would not use Red Loctite. That said all "loctite" brand thread lockers are heat sensitive. So even with the "red" which I would not use you can get it to let lose with a heat gun at temperatures well below the temp. you would need to affect any heat treatment to steel parts.
My comment was only to him. Not commenting on you in any way. Sorry for your issues.Well, I'm not smarter than the manufacturer, but I'm not dumb. And my darned can keeps getting stuck! With Red 272! And even the manufacturer had to machine my brake out of my 338 Ultra can, without identifying what made it so hard for them too, so there's something there.
Or should they just have screwed it onto a barrel with some 272, waited a day, and twisted it off with more elbow grease than I'm capable of?