Gunsmithing TC gunsmiths on here?

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I have a TC Encore with a 24", standard taper barrel that i want cut down to 20" and recrowned. The breech end of the barrel needs facing off. Material needs to be removed from the breech end of the barrel via filing, lathe turning, milling???????

I am having a hard time finding anyone that will do the work. Any gunsmiths interested in doing the work, or any leads at all would be appreciated?

Thanks,

avd

 
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I'm wondering the same thing. With TC's, they will sometimes have issues with frame streaching causing headspace issues that can be taken up with oversized pins and shims under the breach @ firing pin. Cutting down the barrel should be no problem.
 
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The breech end needs material removed because it is too deep. Even factory rounds sit too far below the surface. I can and did shim out the firing pin housing but the chamber is simply too deep.

I asked Mike Bellm for help but never got a response. I ordered his Encore tune up kit. It is good stuff. In the beginning, when the gun was brand new, it would only fire about half the time. After the tune up kit and a pillar mounted forearm, the gun now fires every time and stays on paper at 100 yds. I also had to file some of the breech end off. Everything seems to work now, however, i wanted someone to clean up my file job and to shorten the barrel.

Thanks for the replies!!

avd
 
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Below is a quote that comes directly from Mike Belm's website. Factory rounds sat below the surface anywhere from .006" to .01", depending on the maker. Obviously that was too far. I emailed TC and got no response. So i contacted Mike Belm and he walked me through getting the gun shooting. Which brings me back to the original question.

"Note that the case head should ideally never sit below the end of the barrel,
even if the barrel is tight on a .001" or .0015" feeler guage blade, which is usually the thinnest blade in a set. With a really close barrel-to-frame gap, the case head should be flush with the end of the barrel and never more than about .002" below the end of the barrel. This would result in an actual headspace of about .003".

If it is more than .002" below the end of the barrel, you will need to shim the firing pin bushing forward, BUT since there is no room to move the bushing forward, you will have to face off the end of the barrel to make room for the bushing.

Nor should the case head stick out more that what the gap actually measures. The ideal is to have the case head stick out about .001" LESS than what the gap measures.

Ie., if the gap is .003," then have the heads of sized cases stick out .002." This gives a heaspace of .001." Many folks don't understand what headspace is. Here you see it. It is the actual distance, space, between the case head and the breech face. If the case head sticks out MORE than what the barrel to frame gap is, this is referred to as "negative headspace." Having case heads stick out more than what the gap measures causes all sorts of problems, and getting cases sized right cures the vast number of problems that plague shooters of break open guns."


 
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Mike had a big falling out with his girlfriend and they seem to be in a fight over who owns and sells what. So if you get Kim on the phone, you've got the wrong number if you want the true master of Encores. Mike has a different phone number and business now with his son.

This is his official website.

http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/
 
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I heard about all of that and this was back during deer season when he was helping me. I put the encore on hold because i have been shooting my Howa every weekend. However, i want to get the Encore going before deer season. It does fine now and it groups pretty well. I just want to have the two mentioned things done to it.
 
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Can't help you with gunsmith recommendations other than Bellm. I assume your only using factory loads as fire forming some cases to your barrel and then resizing accordingly would fix your beyond flush problem. I also assume you know that taking more material off the breach end won't change the headspace unless you shim the firing pin bushing out the same amount. I had the same problem with a brand new Bergara .270 Winchester barrel. I had several other T/C barrels for my frame and they worked fine. Bought this Bergara barrel and only about 1 out of 5 shots would fire. Barrel was bumping firing pin bushing but reloaded rounds still set .005 below flush with breach. Sent that barrel back to Bergara and they replaced it. The replacement also hit the firing pin bushing.
I had to file about .005" off the barrel to get it to a .004" barrel to frame gap. Headspace was fine and never had a problem with failure to fire. It just didn't shoot worth a dern. Bought a used T/C prohunter .270 Win barrel and it shoots under 1" @ 100 yards 5 shot group. I won't be buying another Bergera barrel.
As far as shortening barrel and crowning work, I just got finished cutting a factory 26" .223 barrel off to 22-1/2" in bandsaw and used a PTG 11 degree piloted crowning tool from Midway. Using it with a regular tap handle it would leave chatter marks pretty badly. Put it in battery drill and turned it about 200-300 rpm and used plenty of tap magic and the crown turned out as nice as the crown on my Shilen select match 6BR barrel. Haven't shot it yet to see if it shoots better but did it just because I have 2 Ar-15's that are more accurate than this barrel was.
 
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Thanks for the help Rider. We are on the same page. Sounds like we have had many of the same issues. Now that i got it to shoot well and consistently i am thinking about selling it. I would rather put a new barrel on my howa or start another build all together.