Telegram/Signal

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We’ll see how important the ACB SCOTUS appointment becomes soon enough as the last line of defense to protect our rights.

The Progressive Agenda is nothing short of absolute North Korean totalitarian rule. No discussion. No dissent. No disobedience.
 
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E. Bryant said:
If you think you need secure comms, then you might need something more than a smart phone app.

I'd love to hear @Bolo provide his take on this subject.
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Yep, I'm here...
Sorry it took me so long, complicated business.
Edit: for clarity
Telegram's been compromised in the past. I don't trust it.
Sticking with Signal for now, but not liking the linkage to a phone number (even though it does work with a voip number). I get it's a necessary evil- it does integrate with SMS.

Gab has a promising messaging feature, I'm diving into it as we speak. I think, if you're looking for general messaging with friends, this is a really good option.

Tech to watch: IPFS. Think of it more like a decentralized, distributed Internet or like bittorrent for normal web pages. It's now built directly into the Brave browser.

Session is another I'm looking into, it's a "fork" of Signal that operates on lokinet... I'm not entirely sold on lokinet yet.
 
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Bolo said:
Yep, I'm here...
Sorry it took me so long, complicated business.
Telegram's been compromised in the past. I don't trust it.
Sticking with Signal for now, but not liking the linkage to a real phone number. I get it's a necessary evil- it does integrate with SMS.

Gab has a promising messaging feature, I'm diving into it as we speak. I think, if you're looking for general messaging with friends, this is a really good option.

Tech to watch: IPFS. Think of it more like a decentralized, distributed Internet or like bittorrent for normal web pages. It's now built directly into the Brave browser.

Session is another I'm looking into, it's a "fork" of Signal that operates on lokinet... I'm not entirely sold on lokinet yet.
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Oh, and FWIW, I'm def not going Parler. Requires *real* phone number for signup (won't work with a "burner" voip number), ownership seems kinda libtarded. Interface is clunky, poorly coded, and runs slow.

I like Dan Bongino, but I think he hitched his wagon to a lead anchor.
 
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Bolo said:
Oh, and FWIW, I'm def not going Parler. Requires *real* phone number for signup (won't work with a "burner" voip number), ownership seems kinda libtarded. Interface is clunky, poorly coded, and runs slow.

I like Dan Bongino, but I think he hitched his wagon to a lead anchor.
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That information is only needed for a preferred account. Mostly for celebs and politician. I've been on parler for 4 months and never had to leave any information. Just sign up and start posting.
 
#59
Interesting topic.
Recent read about how Iran hid it’s nuclear program from Mossad, USA, everybody.
NO SIGNALS of any kind. Couriers and hand written paper.
Works perfectly if you have very limited points to communicate with.

I’m in the “no signals or electronics” camp.
The previously mentioned “one time pad” is thought to be unbreakable, if everyone does their part.
Takes some time and planning to set up.
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I would use shortwave radio as a “numbers station”, everyone on frequency on the planet can hear the numbers, but only the people w/ the decode can read the message.

Numbers station - Wikipedia

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Here is another idea - old time FAX machines, on an old time POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) analog dial tone line. Not that it is secure at all, but the technology is so ancient and arcane, I’ll bet no one has tech deployed to record & decode it any more.
 
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frankxtc said:
Interesting topic.
Recent read about how Iran hid it’s nuclear program from Mossad, USA, everybody.
NO SIGNALS of any kind. Couriers and hand written paper.
Works perfectly if you have very limited points to communicate with.

I’m in the “no signals or electronics” camp.
The previously mentioned “one time pad” is thought to be unbreakable, if everyone does their part.
Takes some time and planning to set up.
en.wikipedia.org

One-time pad - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

I would use shortwave radio as a “numbers station”, everyone on frequency on the planet can hear the numbers, but only the people w/ the decode can read the message.

Numbers station - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Here is another idea - old time FAX machines, on an old time POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) analog dial tone line. Not that it is secure at all, but the technology is so ancient and arcane, I’ll bet no one has tech deployed to record & decode it any more.
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I've always been quite fond of Ottendorf / book ciphers. If it was good enough for the Zodiac killer... lol.

Point to point is one thing, but getting a mass message out is a different animal...
It's quite hard to disseminate, unless you've securely gotten the codebook into the hands of the intended recipients, and there's the rub.

I would consider using the Dissenter browser and its 'comment on any webpage' feature as a potential tool... and that's all I'll post on that at the moment.
 
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Dead drop email draft file. Setup email. Exchange username and pw with trusted patriot via ftf or snail mail. Set up way to notify recipient you drafted an email. Recipient reads and trashes. No email sent so as long no one shares sign in info on unsecure net and you never send email to or from account.

Also one time pads are great but must transport initially to all recipients.
 
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Used to work for the phone company that is why they are pushing so much for rural broadband (fiberoptic)

frankxtc said:
Here is another idea - old time FAX machines, on an old time POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) analog dial tone line. Not that it is secure at all, but the technology is so ancient and arcane, I’ll bet no one has tech deployed to record & decode it any more.
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As far as how secure is any electronic means of communication, then in the middle, there is always a man in the middle be it your ISP self provider or someone else allowing the NSA to tap directly and and copy everything transmitted. Maybe it secure maybe it's not. Always err on the side of your being watched, that's the way they did it in Soviet Russia.

Do you want to go all out look at some of the DeGoogled gold or Linux based phones.
 
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PURPLE05 said:
Dead drop email draft file. Setup email. Exchange username and pw with trusted patriot via ftf or snail mail. Set up way to notify recipient you drafted an email. Recipient reads and trashes. No email sent so as long no one shares sign in info on unsecure net and you never send email to or from account.
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Totally busted as a supposedly "secure" communication method.
Don't bother.
 
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One possible positive outcome...

Maybe all the censorship and prying will naturally evolve human telepathic capabilities...

(Just no "Scanners" shit please...)

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You can be 100% certain three-letter agencies have a backdoor into just about every app on the market in the US, , and for Telegram as its a Russian app FSB likely has one as well , considering it was for some time banned in Russia because they did not want to give back door access to FSB ,and its unlikely FSB relented since the ban was lifted ,they likely got what they wanted.It's still likely safer to use than most other apps.For one FSB might not be that interested in your messages. :devilish:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...ussias-decision-to-ditch-its-ban-on-telegram/
 
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The NSA and agencies of that level, love to have everybody using encryption, encryption that the low level folks can't get into.
But they don't need a "back door" rather they simply understand the hidden weakness and enjoy reading everything that everybody thinks is secure.
Much like when the NSA pushed Elliptical Curve stuff, amazing in theory, but the implementation was.... shoddy.....
 
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It was an actual phone not any app ,FBI, as we have seen in the past couple of years, might not be the sharpest tools in the shed, in the end, they paid a contractor and the phone was unlocked without Apple's help. The spat in the media was a bit of a show as big tech is worried that the perception of the US having back doors into their every product is bad for business of selling stuff abroad.

Remember back in a day when BlackBerry was supposedly uncrackable and folks actually bought into that, some countries banned their use ,but RIM Blackberry gave decryption keys to any government that pushed back . Puff and uncrackable went up in smoke.

If you look at the Snowden leaks that are now nearly decade-old everything is taped to a degree it's nearly useless as the data far exceeds the capacity to process, but i am sure they are working on that and since then surveillance state expanded considerably.
 
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Based on the FAQ in Signal; they use end to end encryption and the data exists nowhere else but on the sender and receiver. There's no server to subpoena. In the Forbes article, it appears the FBI had access to the physical phones. I can only speculate but I don't think it's feasible for a gov agency to intercept a signal conversation in real time. I didn't say impossible, just too difficult to do when there's backdoors in phone OS's that are most certainly to easier to use. Telegram is the same way: no server in the middle to subpoena.
I don't think that govt surveillance is so pervasive yet that they see all and know all in real time. Look how long it's taking them to identify people with cell phones who were at the Capitol protest on Jan 6th. They appear to be scrubbing social media for comments and picking off the low hanging fruit. But beyond that, theyre asking for the public for help identifying pictures of people from surveillance cameras. That speaks volumes as to what they're actually capable of. Which, isn't 1984 Orwell level.
 
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Most have hit it on the head. If you are a big enough target, doesn't matter what program you use, they'll flush it/you out. For the average joe, Signal/Telegram most likely provide the warmest virtual of blankets you can reasonably get quickly from the app stores.

One more layer is to get your phone tunneled to a VPN not in the EU and/or US, or any other country that isn't sympathetic to data collection laws. But then you are consenting and requiring to trust that VPN provider 100%, which is also a leap of faith because they can technically read all your data exiting their servers, or someone else may be able to unless they are exiting all traffic from a static ip, making it harder to a degree. You can also Sandbox your important apps, etc to take it a step further. Slows the phone down considerably and will eat battery life, but they're options.
 
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BullGear said:
Look, I'm far from a Holiday Inn expert on the subject, but being opened sourced can't make this one of the more secure apps to use, can it?
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Not a programmer myself, but decently well read into encryption requirements used in healthcare/EMRs.

But Generally speaking, open source increases the likelihood of the app being more scrutinized and having less "back doors" per se. But open source doesn't necessarily decrease the probability of SIGINT/hijacking fucking with outbound traffic.

Open source programs still can have shitty code, and/or when utilized in a stupid way by a stupid person, result in leakage.
 
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Mr.BR said:
and for Telegram as its a Russian app
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Thats not what I found out when I researched it...

The developer is Russian, but thats about as "Russian" as Telegram gets... Like you said they had a big fight with the Ruskies because they wouldnt provide the encryption keys... what the final "arrangement" on all that is, is anybodies guess. So sounds to me like the developer, while Russian, doesnt have much like for the Ruskies...

There are servers all over the world. The "official" team is currently based in Dubai... When it was originally developed/released they were based in Germany.

They dont claim to be e2e "encrypted" unless you are in private chat.
 
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