Tesla Charging Stations...

[mikeinfwa]

My sister in Germany recently told me they are supplying every fire station in Germany with a special steel container
( only way to get the Fire out I’m told, sealed container >no oxygen).No idea how they get a burning ev in these, but costs for the new needed „infrastructure” is higher than everyone imagined I thinks. And this is just a small example nobody thought off .

The simple minded government educated citizens think in simple terms.

To these simpletons, a battery operated car is akin to a giant laptop or phone. Just plug it in and get a charge, download some maps and updated software to make the car drive correctly.

These simpletons have NO ability to comprehend the massive infrastructure needed. And because they have no critical thinking skills, they go right along cheering the "Green New Deal" because it sounds so COOL .....it's promoted to save the world.

 

[W54/XM-388]

The simple minded government educated citizens think in simple terms.

To these simpletons, a battery operated car is akin to a giant laptop or phone. Just plug it in and get a charge, download some maps and updated software to make the car drive correctly.

These simpletons have NO ability to comprehend the massive infrastructure needed. And because they have no critical thinking skills, they go right along cheering the "Green New Deal" because it sounds so COOL .....it's promoted to save the world.

If you are want to go on about "massive infrastructure" then you really should be fair about things and honest up front.
Do you have any clue the global scale of the "massive infrastructure" required to keep everyone in gasoline and diesel powered vehicles?
How much wars and slaughter and human suffering goes on to make sure a handful of countries get to get what they want when they want it, at prices they want and in ways they control?

Not to mention the huge amount of pollution generated by all those fossil fuel cars and the sicknesses and diseases that it causes as well?

The biggest problem with EVs is that nobody wants to go out and build nice modern pretty safe, pretty clean Nuclear Reactors to power them all.
IF you did that, coupled with the advances in battery technology and putting charging everywhere gas stations are, the actual result for the environment would be a pretty big win.

 

[Threadcutter308]

If you are want to go on about "massive infrastructure" then you really should be fair about things and honest up front.
Do you have any clue the global scale of the "massive infrastructure" required to keep everyone in gasoline and diesel powered vehicles?
How much wars and slaughter and human suffering goes on to make sure a handful of countries get to get what they want when they want it, at prices they want and in ways they control?

Not to mention the huge amount of pollution generated by all those fossil fuel cars and the sicknesses and diseases that it causes as well?

The biggest problem with EVs is that nobody wants to go out and build nice modern pretty safe, pretty clean Nuclear Reactors to power them all.
IF you did that, coupled with the advances in battery technology and putting charging everywhere gas stations are, the actual result for the environment would be a pretty big win.

And........coming from the Power Semiconductor Industry, no one is talking about where the power is coming from. Their only interest is in selling IGBT and SiC power modules for Chargers and Vehicle Inverters.

Where the power comes from is someone else's responsibility.

Everyone thinks it's going to come from wind and solar. GLWT.......

There are not going to be any hydroelectric or nuclear power plants built in North America in the foreseeable future.

In order for it to work, there has to be a massive reduction in population. In case you haven't been paying attention, that's already underway.......

 

[Rthur]

If you are want to go on about "massive infrastructure" then you really should be fair about things and honest up front.
Do you have any clue the global scale of the "massive infrastructure" required to keep everyone in gasoline and diesel powered vehicles?
How much wars and slaughter and human suffering goes on to make sure a handful of countries get to get what they want when they want it, at prices they want and in ways they control?

We've had 80 plus years to build the infrastructure to do it.
They are trying to force this new version in a fraction of that time.
Wars for oil are a farce, another excuse to feed the MIC/Money changers/money laundering.
They liked to shit when Trump made us net exporters.

Although I removed the part about nuclear power I'll comment.
Most know this is a viable and easy solution, that is why they'll never do it.

I work with electrical infrastructure more than a little.
Pushing an increase of 50 amps per house isn't possible.
This ^^^ is my understanding of a reasonable charge time/load for most EV's.

R

 

[Threadcutter308]

We've had 80 plus years to build the infrastructure to do it.
They are trying to force this new version in a fraction of that time.
Wars for oil are a farce, another excuse to feed the MIC/Money changers/money laundering.
They liked to shit when Trump made us net exporters.

Although I removed the part about nuclear power I'll comment.
Most know this is a viable and easy solution, that is why they'll never do it.

I work with electrical infrastructure more than a little.
Pushing an increase of 50 amps per house isn't possible.
This ^^^ is my understanding of a reasonable charge time/load for most EV's.

R

Well, you either run your oven, or you run your charger, your choice.

Doing it every night is going to cause your electricity bills to skyrocket, well above what you are paying for gasoline/dino.

What very few understand is that instead of 50 (or so) per thousand running their chargers every night, it'll be more like 800 households per thousand running their chargers every night.

So, my question still remains..........where is all of that extra/energy going to come from ?

Seems like the obvious solution is to dramatically reduce demand (compared to existing infranstructure), without having to build new generating infrastructure.

 

[fpgt72]

When I was 10 YO I walked 3 miles one way to buy a box of Wildcats for my single-shot 22 bolt gun. For some reason summer didn't seem as hot and the walk didn't seem very long. Maybe AC has made me weak?
But, hey, it was 60 years ago and my memory ain't what it used to be.
Mom grew up in the country. They piped in sunshine, chopped cotton with a hoe, wore dresses made from flour sacks and walked 5 miles to school every day rain, shine, sleet or snow. But, luckily for her, they did get three weeks off every fall to pick the cotton by hand.

You just described my inlaws. Sharecroppers in the 1930's and it was not pretty. The father in law grew up in a house with a dirt floor. He poached deer to feed the family. I have his rifle, it is everything this forum is not. I should post it up sometime, I have other places. A Krag that he and his brother made "fancy". An original 1950's Bubba job, and for that it gets a pass. Another thread I need to start.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Your tax dollars building a bigger and deeper "Rabbit Hole".

The U.S. Department of Transportation earlier this year said that charging companies must provide the CCS to be eligible for up to $7.5 billion in federal funding to build new, high-speed chargers on 7,500 miles (12,070 km) of the nation's busiest highways.

Exclusive: Tesla wins as Texas requires state-backed charging stations to include its plug

Tesla scored a series of victories for its charging technology on Tuesday, capped by Texas saying it would require electric vehicle charging companies to include both Tesla's standard as well as the nationally recognized CCS if they want to be part of a state program to electrify highways using...

www.reuters.com

 

[jdonovan]

Doing it every night is going to cause your electricity bills to skyrocket, well above what you are paying for gasoline/dino.

ev does about 3.5 miles/KW
average us ICE vehicle is 25 MPG (2021 data)

lets drive 350 miles...
ev uses 100 KW-hours, home charging is $0.15/KWH, so the cost is about $15 for 350 miles of energy
the round trip efficiency on EV's is about 80%, so the real cost for the charging is about $18.

ICE uses 350/25= 14 Gallons of gas, AAA says average price of 3.58, so $50.12 for 350 miles of energy.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

ev does about 3.5 miles/KW
average us ICE vehicle is 25 MPG (2021 data)

lets drive 350 miles...
ev uses 100 KW-hours, home charging is $0.15/KWH, so the cost is about $15 for 350 miles of energy
the round trip efficiency on EV's is about 80%, so the real cost for the charging is about $18.

ICE uses 350/25= 14 Gallons of gas, AAA says average price of 3.58, so $50.12 for 350 miles of energy.

Can you factor in how much Government subsidy is in your equation ?
Remove Government subsity and look at the cost to manufacture, market and transport EV 's and parts. Remove the tax breaks on buying an EV and where does that leave you ?
Why is the US Government so heavily invested in the "Go Green" movement that is not paying it's own way ?
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In November 2021 President Biden signed the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), also known as the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL), authorizing an estimated $1.2 trillion investment in U.S. infrastructure, including at least $7.5 billion dedicated to supporting electric vehicle (EV) adoption through dedicated funding for vehicles and charging infrastructure. The act includes an additional $32.5 billion eligible to support EVs, plus $10.5 billion for grid upgrades and battery development. Nine months later, in August 2022, President Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), creating an additional $369 billion in climate investments including $47 billion eligible to support EVs (not including tax credits or loan programs).

EV eligible funding in IIJA and IRA represents nearly 30 times the total EV funding awarded by U.S. government to date

Correction: An earlier version of this data story stated that there is $150 billion in IIJA and IRA eligible for EVs. While this figure is accurate if loan programs and tax credits are included, the number has been revised to exclude loan programs and tax credits, providing a more appropriate...

www.atlasevhub.com

 

[Bacarrat]

Well, you either run your oven, or you run your charger, your choice.

Doing it every night is going to cause your electricity bills to skyrocket, well above what you are paying for gasoline/dino.

What very few understand is that instead of 50 (or so) per thousand running their chargers every night, it'll be more like 800 households per thousand running their chargers every night.

So, my question still remains..........where is all of that extra/energy going to come from ?

Seems like the obvious solution is to dramatically reduce demand (compared to existing infranstructure), without having to build new generating infrastructure.

I know of a few people that have gone the electric route and most of them says it's around 30-50 bump in the electric bill since charging at home.

 

[MrSmith]

Your tax dollars building a bigger and deeper "Rabbit Hole".

The U.S. Department of Transportation earlier this year said that charging companies must provide the CCS to be eligible for up to $7.5 billion in federal funding to build new, high-speed chargers on 7,500 miles (12,070 km) of the nation's busiest highways.

Exclusive: Tesla wins as Texas requires state-backed charging stations to include its plug

Tesla scored a series of victories for its charging technology on Tuesday, capped by Texas saying it would require electric vehicle charging companies to include both Tesla's standard as well as the nationally recognized CCS if they want to be part of a state program to electrify highways using...

www.reuters.com

Looks akin to the VHS/Beta "porn wars". Those that remember know how it affected the industry.

Thank you,
MrSmith

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I know of a few people that have gone the electric route and most of them says it's around 30-50 bump in the electric bill since charging at home.

That's kind of like asking "How long is a short stick"? ... or like one of the members here who is not worrked about the cost of diesel since he only fills up once a month.
Are they driving 300 miles, 7 days a week and charging at night ?

 

[Bacarrat]

That's kind of like asking "How long is a short stick"? ... or like one of the members here who is not worrked about the cost of diesel since he only fills up once a month.
Are they driving 300 miles, 7 days a week and charging at night ?

Either way, it's just cheaper to charge at home then it is to run the same size vehicle with gas. It has always been that way with electric cars. Most of the people who I know don't even use the Supercharger stations, most charge at home. My brother charges maybe once a week and all he uses this Model 3 Performance for is for work and stuff around the house. He has a Burban for any roadtrips lol.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

My Sister and BIL have two Tesla cars and they home charge both vehicles. She told me how much it costs /raised their electric bit but it was so minimal that it was inconsequential. The only time they use the superchargers is when they go on long road trips or overnighters.

VooDoo

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Either way, it's just cheaper to charge at home then it is to run the same size vehicle with gas. It has always been that way with electric cars. Most of the people who I know don't even use the Supercharger stations, most charge at home. My brother charges maybe once a week and all he uses this Model 3 Performance for is for work and stuff around the house. He has a Burban for any roadtrips lol.

Probably so. But the push is for people to get on the road with the EV's. What are they going to do ? Run an extension cord from the motel room out to the parking lot to charge an EV ? What about the every day apartment dwellers who live up on the 5th floor or park on the street.
What percentage of EV owners have the option to charge at home ?

 

[Hobo Hilton]

My Sister and BIL have two Tesla cars and they home charge both vehicles. She told me how much it costs /raised their electric bit but it was so minimal that it was inconsequential. The only time they use the superchargers is when they go on long road trips or overnighters.

VooDoo

Would you buy an EV ?

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Would you buy an EV ?

Not at this time. Maybe 2 more years. Unless Aptera gets into production yet in 2023 or 2024 in which case I have one reserved.

VooDoo

 

[Bacarrat]

Probably so. But the push is for people to get on the road with the EV's. What are they going to do ? Run an extension cord from the motel room out to the parking lot to charge an EV ? What about the every day apartment dwellers who live up on the 5th floor or park on the street.
What percentage of EV owners have the option to charge at home ?

The car will tell you where all the charging stations are at on your trip. It will also tell you how many people are at the chargers also. I have also seen a lot of apt complexes have charging stations on premises. Is it for everyone? Nope. I wouldn't own one because I can't stand the looks of EVs. But am not stupid enough to see the benefits of owning one.

 

[steve123]

My son went camping with us and used his Tesla to drive the 2.75 hrs to meet us at the site. It was at 25% by the time he arrived. This was late Saturday night.

The next day, and for whatever reason??, the Tesla used more E than they hoped while just sitting there doing whatever it does. I think it was down to 15% by Sunday afternoon.
Worried they wouldn't be able to have enough E to get to town to charge it up come Monday which is when they had planned to leave they ran all the way into town on Sunday to charge it.

He's bringing the Subaru next time.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

So, it sounds like today, the EV's are filling a niche. That's acceptable because over my life time, I have relied on niche industries. The vast majority of those industries are still niche industries. At some point EV's will be forced to break out of being a niche industry. There could be some powerful forces taking place to force that break out... IDK

I dread the day that ICE vehicles / fuel are taxed heavily and that tax money is rolled over to incentives and tax breaks for EV owners and buyers.

Recently GM announced it was rolling a lot of money into two factories to build heavy duty ICE pickups because they needed some money makers to fund the EV arena.

A lot is not adding up. America's enemies are not embracing the "GO Green" movement as enthusiastically as American's.

 

[EddieNFL]

A lot is not adding up. America's enemies are not embracing the "GO Green" movement as enthusiastically as American's.

What is the range of an electric M1 Abrams...or an F35? How would in-flight recharging work?

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Then there is hydrogen power cells and the solar connection....solar cells that use water from the air and sunlight to produce and collect hydrogen. The alternative fuel thing is not settled yet. There is a long way to go yet but in my personal situation being retired and making small trips (less than an hour) electric is perfectly feasible and fits for me. For everyone, all the time, everywhere?

Not hardly.

VooDoo