The correct short action magazine for the correct 6.5 Creedmore COAL length

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Diverdan169

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I am brand new to long distance shooting and rifles. So maybe I can receive advice from
Some Folks On this site. I have researched and purchased what I believe to be the best parts to build what I think would meet my needs to Own and use a very good 6.5 Creedmore bolt action rifle that allows for hunting, shooting at the range and to develop better Shooting skills. It cost me a lot of time and $ and I met and spoke to great people who were fantastic and helpful. Then I organized abuild plan and put it all to work. I am Happy And have no complaints with the rifle that I received a few months ago . But my wife is not. —😆😆😆—The rifle has a Remington 700 SA “clone” TL3 CRF receiver from Bighorn and AICS bottom metal. But the Hornaday ammo I wanted has a COAL of 2.800 and I am Only finding SA AICS Metal magazines that go up to 2.870 COAL . If anyone can help it would be very much appreciated. I am sure there are excellent high quality long distance cartridges that can fit into a SA AICS for 6.5 Creedmore. If it helps I have a 22” Bartlein #14 Varmint Sandaro Barrel with a 1/8 twist and believe this build can handle 130-145 grain bullets. Like I said I am a rookie and Learning as I go. Any advice Would Be greatly appreciated.
Thank you Dan
 
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The AICS mags are the best the extra clearance is not something you should be worried about. If you start reloading you can use that extra length to seat the bullet out further
 
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If you need more length, I've had good luck with the MDT no binder plate 12 round mags, but if you aren't planning to load long, I agree with above. Stick with the AIs.
 
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I’m pretty sure that all “aics” mags can’t exceed the specs that are approved by the European regulatory body CIS which is similar to our saami so they’ll all be the same size.

Edit: can’t exceed the size
 
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If you buy Factory Hornady Ammo you will be fine with Factory AICS mags.
Best advice anyone can give you....Your next purchase needs to be a level 1 precision rifle class. You will learn more in that time than you will waste $ at the range trying to figure out on your own.
 
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This is a classic problem where guys build a rifle on what they think is the right sized action when they really need the next longer action.

My F-Class gun is based on a short action Rem 700 and I cannot eject a live round without pulling the bolt. I can forget about feeding that competition load from a mag. Never gonna happen.

What I should have done along with the Op is build the gun on a long action instead.

I recently built a 223 on a short action Rem 700 clone to be sure I have enough length to run 88s, but I still had to modify mags for them to feed. Thankfully guys running a 308 bolt face can build on actions and mags long enough for a 30-06. That way you have plenty of room to grow.
 
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308Gunner said:
The AICS mags are the best the extra clearance is not something you should be worried about. If you start reloading you can use that extra length to seat the bullet out further
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Thank you all. I am not I interested In reloading. I appreciate the advice but still confused. Do I go with an SA ACIS magazine that accommodates a longer COAL, do I stay with the 2.780 AICS ? Is there high quality
Ammo that is shorter the then 2.80
Which seems to short or can a p mag accommodate the round from Magpull? I have heard that the longer mags need to be made to work with the shorter round. If I knew all this I would have went with a BDL like my Remington.280. Please keep the advice coming.
 
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Diverdan169 said:
Thank you all. I am not I interested In reloading. I appreciate the advice but still confused. Do I go with an SA ACIS magazine that accommodates a longer COAL, do I stay with the 2.780 AICS ? Is there high quality
Ammo that is shorter the then 2.80
Which seems to short or can a p mag accommodate the round from Magpull? I have heard that the longer mags need to be made to work with the shorter round. If I knew all this I would have went with a BDL like my Remington.280. Please keep the advice coming.
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Your factory rounds are roughly 2.80 and most AICS mags are at least 2.87 coal +/- with the binder plate depending on manufacturer.
I don't understand why you think you would have a problem with factory ammo.....?
 
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JGR1953 said:
Your factory rounds are roughly 2.80 and most AICS mags are at least 2.87 +/- with the binder plate depending on manufacturer.
I don't understand why you think you would have a problem with factory ammo.....
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Thank you I read the specs from Hornaday on they are 2.89 COAL and MDT website SA magazines are 2.70 per their website. I am Learning as I go all advice is appreciated. I would prefer quality metal AICS magazines. BTW to all of you here in NY we cannot have a magazine that holds more Then 10 rounds in any firearm. Thanks for All The help. Dan
 
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I don't know what your reading but your wrong.
6.5CM from hornady is kept within specs for SAAMI +/- 2.82
The pic is a Hornady 147 Eldm.

And your info from MDT is also wrong so go back and read it again.

Shop MDT AICS Magazines for Bolt Action Rifles

MDT AICS Magazines offer reliable feeding in your hunting or competition bolt action rifle. Available in 3 to 12 round and polymer or metal from .223 to .338.
mdttac.com mdttac.com
 

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Diverdan169 said:
Thank you
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This is from Hornaday 147 gr. ELD® Match
Item No. 26333 C.O.L.: 2.800" G1 B.C.: 0.697 G7 B.C.: 0.351
153 gr. A-TipTM Match Item No. 2638
C.O.L.: 2.800"
G1 B.C.: 0.704
G7 B.C.: 0.35
And this is from MDT. This place s why I am
Asking for an advice

From MDT AICS-pattern metal magazines are manufactured from high strength steel, nitrided, and finished inside and outside with Cerakote Elite for ultimate durability, corrosion resistance, and friction reduction.

SPECIFICATIONS

5-Round Magazines for 308/ 6.5

3.055” Outside Length
2.870” max cartridge overall length (COAL) with binder plate
2.960” max cartridge overall length (COAL) without binder plate (see limitations below)
2.52” Rear Height
 
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Diverdan169 said:
I have read the a long action magazine needs to Be custom fit and prepped For for Proper fit in SA bottom Metal
so it can go into battery. See below as to why I am Asking questions . I copied from Hornaday and MDT.

This is from Hornaday 147 gr. ELD® Match
Item No. 26333 C.O.L.: 2.800" G1 B.C.: 0.697 G7 B.C.: 0.351
153 gr. A-TipTM Match Item No. 2638
C.O.L.: 2.800"
G1 B.C.: 0.704
G7 B.C.: 0.35
And this is from MDT. This place s why I am
Asking for an advice

From MDT AICS-pattern metal magazines are manufactured from high strength steel, nitrided, and finished inside and outside with Cerakote Elite for ultimate durability, corrosion resistance, and friction reduction.

SPECIFICATIONS

5-Round Magazines for 308/ 6.5

3.055” Outside Length
2.870” max cartridge overall length (COAL) with binder plate
2.960” max cartridge overall length (COAL) without binder plate (see limitations below)
2.52” Rear Height
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So it seems to
Me the bullet is to long for the SA AICS magazine. But that is why I am
On this site to learn and ask questions
 
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Have you actually tried it?

Pretty sure any common factory ammo will fit in any AICS mag. Afterall its a 6.5CM, you would be hard pressed to find a combo that doesn't work.
 
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Diverdan169 said:
Big thanks but this is for their metal
Chassis platforms. Would it work in a Rem 700 Bottom Metal? I will try to call/ email them Tomorrow
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A lot of people use MDT AICS mags on their traditional stocks not just chassis....
What brand of bottom metal are you using ?

And just for your reference here are shots of the 5 shot MDT .308 with binder plate and the 10 rounder without the binder plate loaded with the Hornady 147 eldm 6.5 CM
 

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JGR1953 said:
A lot of people use MDT AICS mags on their traditional stocks not just chassis....
What brand of bottom metal are you using ?

And just for your reference here are shots of the 5 shot MDT .308 with binder plate and the 10 rounder without the binder plate loaded with the Hornady 147 eldm 6.5 CM
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Well It appears I can use the SA with binder. I just got the rifle Back and it has a Greyboe stock with their bottom metal. In fact Ryan from Greyboe just texted me the magazine they use for their shop 6.5. is the MDT Short action polymer hybrid with the metal top.
Thanks to all
 
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Diverdan169 said:
Well It appears I can use the SA with binder. I just got the rifle Back and it has a Greyboe stock with their bottom metal. In fact Ryan from Greyboe just texted me the magazine they use for their shop 6.5. is the MDT Short action polymer hybrid with the metal top.
Thanks to all
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From the looks of this you have a good choice.....
 
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