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The death penalty.
- Thread starter Maggot
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What both of you are pretty clearly saying is you are all for the government killing someone for a murder even if they actually didn't murder anyone, because you wanted to kill them anyways because they were "generally bad people" and did some other crimes (Apparently one of you thinks that we should kill people over things the government says are illegal without paying taxes on (that they won't sell you the tax stamps for).
Which pretty much proves the case of why myself and others are very hesitant to trust to the government with things that can't be undone and which the government won't accept being held to equal biblical justice for, when there is not any incontrovertible blatant proof of such a thing.
Just remember the chains you forge for others and the power you give the government to use on others is going to one day be used against you.
And that's a bit of a big problem and I understand you don't have any comprehension of why that's an issue.
That's why we have the oppressive tyrannical government we have.
Just wait one day it might be you... well who cares if he actually murdered the person, he had guns and that's a huge crime, so well let's just be happy to go ahead and kill him anyway because he had guns and he wasn't vaccinated and he misgendered someone...
I do say. Im against the death penalty, but if morons are going to continue it, the most humane way should be used. While its somewhat emotionally pleasing to think of them suffering, and I err on that at times, it brings one down to the level of the perp.
I think rapist. Pedophiles, crooks,murderers, and people that push evil upon a nation should all get the death penalty! But I would say it would have to be they were 100 percent guilty! We need to shed evil. Not promote it!
I agree, so that should include Dick Cheney. As I can determine it, there is little if any 100% in this world, even eye witness's get it wrong, and the value of saving an innocent life out weighs the satisfaction of taking a guilty one. Again, as W5X said, how would you take it if you were the one about to be wrongly executed?
I think you missed the joke. That’s the guy from movie the green mile that put the guys headgear on dry! Causing his head to catch on fire
Oh I don’t know a camera that catches you raping a 7 year old?
I don't trust the government to do anything right. However, there's no denying that there are people out there that commit atrocities that should result in a death penalty. I personally don't care if it's the government or just a normal civilian who does the execution so long as it gets done. I know as a Libertarian I'm supposed to be against the death penalty, but I'm not and I'd like to expand on it and bring back public executions. Hell, bring back public torture for people who don't deserve a quick death. Crime is so fucking high in America because we just don't have any deterrents to crime anymore.
Sorry, I'm a little late to this thread.
As a retired EMT and formerly a PIT, I did a lot of IV sticks. There are a lot of different things one can do to ensure a patent line. There are needles as large as 12 gauge for use in the Antecubital fossa (at the elbow joint). We often used gauges that large if we had to supply fluid to the circulatory system quickly (i.e. rapid bleeding). If that didn't work the OR team might do a "central line" or Femoral Cut down. I've actually heard of them doing that at executions.
I think the media likes to use the term "botched" a little too frivolously. Yes. the stick has to be good and not infiltrate the vein, but a good, solid IV tech should be able to do that, assuming the condemned person has viable veins (ie. not "drugged out"). But that's something that should be assessed prior to the execution, with plans for a central line or femoral cut down if the antecubital fossa aern't viable
As for the drugs themselves, they can't ever predict if a given person might react differently to them. The original 3-drug formula worked very well. A shame the drug manufacturers won't sell them to prison administrators, anymore. I have to wonder why they just didn't create their own compounding facility and manufacture the drugs themselves. Maybe they are, and I just don't know it. Texas seems to not be running out of Pentobarital, so....
I, personally, would not want to use any other methods. I think lethal injection is the most humane way of doing it, as long as the IV tech knows what they're doing. And I think that's why the anti-death penalty folks are bringing up all these "botched" things etc., because it is very humane and they don't want people "desensitized" to it. Maybe Nitrogen Gas might work as well (the person simply gets Narc'ed out, unlike Cyanide gas). But we'll have to see.
As a retired EMT and formerly a PIT, I did a lot of IV sticks. There are a lot of different things one can do to ensure a patent line. There are needles as large as 12 gauge for use in the Antecubital fossa (at the elbow joint). We often used gauges that large if we had to supply fluid to the circulatory system quickly (i.e. rapid bleeding). If that didn't work the OR team might do a "central line" or Femoral Cut down. I've actually heard of them doing that at executions.
I think the media likes to use the term "botched" a little too frivolously. Yes. the stick has to be good and not infiltrate the vein, but a good, solid IV tech should be able to do that, assuming the condemned person has viable veins (ie. not "drugged out"). But that's something that should be assessed prior to the execution, with plans for a central line or femoral cut down if the antecubital fossa aern't viable
As for the drugs themselves, they can't ever predict if a given person might react differently to them. The original 3-drug formula worked very well. A shame the drug manufacturers won't sell them to prison administrators, anymore. I have to wonder why they just didn't create their own compounding facility and manufacture the drugs themselves. Maybe they are, and I just don't know it. Texas seems to not be running out of Pentobarital, so....
I, personally, would not want to use any other methods. I think lethal injection is the most humane way of doing it, as long as the IV tech knows what they're doing. And I think that's why the anti-death penalty folks are bringing up all these "botched" things etc., because it is very humane and they don't want people "desensitized" to it. Maybe Nitrogen Gas might work as well (the person simply gets Narc'ed out, unlike Cyanide gas). But we'll have to see.
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Pro death penalty; is capital punishment effective as a deterrent currently, how to increase the time frame from offending to execution?
My example is the dirt-bag up in NY who racially targeted people in a grocery store, now why the Hell is this shitbag being offered any
"life in Prison deal", this person has by his own actions forfeited any and all privileges to remain on earth, walk him out the front door of the
court house, put a rope around his neck and get it done!
My example is the dirt-bag up in NY who racially targeted people in a grocery store, now why the Hell is this shitbag being offered any
"life in Prison deal", this person has by his own actions forfeited any and all privileges to remain on earth, walk him out the front door of the
court house, put a rope around his neck and get it done!
I have a question. When a fellow is being put to sleep by lethal injection, I notice that they always sterilize the injection point. Why? its not like the perp is going to be around long enough to get an infection. Kind a stupid to me. Stick him and watch him peacefully go to sleep.
Because the only "harm" the State permits them to do to the person/body is induce the chemicals themselves. In the event there's a "call from the governor" at the very last second, or some other problem that mandates the execution be "scrubbed," it would be really bad if the condemned subsequentially died from "infection/sepsis" from an un-sterile needle or contaminated injection site. And that can happen easily. Say they can't find an antecubital vein and they have to arrange for a central line or femoral cut down, and the defense is allowed to have the execution stayed for a few weeks as a result. That's enough time for an infection to occur and be deadly. I mean, yeah, that was the original objective (death), but it has to be done per the State's procedure.
No it's not a deterrent. But the real question is, was it ever supposed to be? Yes, it would seem to be a plausible "byproduct" of Capital Punishment, but not practical or realistic at all. People have still murdered historically and will continue to do so.
AFAIC, Capital punishment should serve one and only one purpose... to be that "necessary and sufficient" measure of justice for the offense committed, and the circumstances surrounding it. We must all be honest with ourselves and ask/answer this one fundamental question:
My answer is, yes. The victims of those crimes deserve that level of justice. It's all about "justice" for the victims (families and survivors included), etc. Nothing else matters.
I’ve said it many times, there should be public executions held at large stadiums.
And anyone who shows up to watch gets it too, because we don’t need sickos walking around in society that would show up to watch something like that.
It may very well be applied to broadly. But there are plenty of cases where it is “indisputable”, here’s the video of him shooting the store clerk in head…
And anyone who shows up to watch gets it too, because we don’t need sickos walking around in society that would show up to watch something like that.
It may very well be applied to broadly. But there are plenty of cases where it is “indisputable”, here’s the video of him shooting the store clerk in head…
You unwittingly provided a great example of why folks that understand history and think carefully, are very wary about giving the government licence to kill people or oppress others and such.
You apparently want the police and government to murder any of your fellow citizens that show up to witness an execution.
Do you realize that most states actually have plenty of folks that show up to witness executions already? Do you want the government to murder them because you got some hair brained idea in your head?
Not that long ago executions were done in public both as a way to deter evil and also to make sure the public understood what they were a part of demanding their government did to others.
And let's see you want the government to murder them all because you got some stupid idea in your head?
Going back down to the ancient Mosaic laws, not only was everyone showing up to watch, instead there was no "government" or "police" doing the killing, it was everybody in the community taking the responsibility themselves not just fobbing it off to "the government".
I'd bet that would shock and horrify you, maybe it should, you want to execute folks, get your own hands dirty, live with it yourself, answer to your God yourself for your actions and to the rest of your community. None of this demanding somebody else go do it for you.
Agree as it stands it is not a deterrence, in part the origins did sell it as part of the reasoning for it's use . Being a gentler kinder world we live in today, as previously mentioned, the swabbing of antiseptic on the condemned persons arm laying on the execution bed is somewhat amusing.
With improvements in DNA technologies and other improvements in investigative technologies the ability or certainty is far greater when convicting a person for a crime. These same advancements have been used successfully to remove court imposed sentences.
Did the VIII Amendment, take the time to consider the victim or the suffering and fear they endured? "Cruel & Unusual", should be on a sliding scale, mercy and pity need not be given, let the condemned person feel these emotions they made others suffer!
Be careful with that belief, though. There are two major groups in society that want Executions televised. One: The "Pro Death Penalty" side, and Two: "The Anti-Death Penalty" side. Each, obviously, with different objectives. The "pro" side for obvious reasons. The "anti" side want them televised in order to demonstrate the cruelness of executions so that people will be that much more against them. I'm sure they'd love to see the "chair" and the Gas Chamber, and the firing squad used. It's why they're so critical of lethal injection, as it "does" appear to be the most humane method, if done correctly. The person just "falls asleep" and doesn't wake up. The "antis" don't want the public becoming "desensitized" to it.
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The death penalty would be a much better deterrent, if they were public, carried out monthly. Have school field trips to imprint consequences of evil behavior, on the youth.
I'm for capital punishment, but have a different idea from OP;
We lost a powerful deterrent when we started hiding it. If you're going to sentence someone to death it needs to be carried out in public for all to see, no matter how it's done. Bury them up to their neck...
We lost a powerful deterrent when we started hiding it. If you're going to sentence someone to death it needs to be carried out in public for all to see, no matter how it's done. Bury them up to their neck...
A jury of peers is such an archaic term. Nobody on a jury is your "peers". All a jury of peers means is they reside in the same state that your trial is taking place in.
