Okay,
So my video of the Tubb level vs the A1st Level stirred some debate.
Lots of guys commented saying that a level is a must and compared using a level to the horizon line in your typical aircraft. They contend if you need a horizon when flying you need one when shooting.
I understand the argument about shooting in the mountains. After all, I live in the mounts and my shooting location in Pike National is at up there pretty good. I have shot in the mountain, to the point I have even shoot in Hell's Canyon with some of the biggest angles in the US.
So let's avoid the angle and mountain part of the discussion. I can see needing that for some that are not well tuned to these conditions, but let's talk about flat range shooting and only flat range shooting.
My question is, how many who own and use a Level on their rifle, finds it helps them on a flat range ?
I have my thoughts and many have heard me discuss them on our podcast.
Podcast 102
Even if you listen to a few others, I have mentioned this... but I am interested in flat range use. Do you need it to find level even on a flat range ?
During my fundamental eval I conduct in every class I see guys on square ranges canting the rifle, and those who claim to need a level often cite shooting in the mountains, but very few of these observations are taking place in the mountains. Even at the K02M event this year I watched a team get knocked out because they were canted from shot to shot on flat ground.
Here is Wade Stuteville during his win at the SHC back in the day, Douglas WY match, and his level during a string of fire:
Here is a picture from Jim at an AK Eval where you can see the cant when he pulls the bolt over.
Does a level help when the shooter pulls the rifle over during a string of fire. Especially considering most dont' use it after the string starts.
So flat range level users, explain to me the logic of your decision and why you think you can't manage to "eyeball it" vs needing a level on flat ground.
So my video of the Tubb level vs the A1st Level stirred some debate.
Lots of guys commented saying that a level is a must and compared using a level to the horizon line in your typical aircraft. They contend if you need a horizon when flying you need one when shooting.
I understand the argument about shooting in the mountains. After all, I live in the mounts and my shooting location in Pike National is at up there pretty good. I have shot in the mountain, to the point I have even shoot in Hell's Canyon with some of the biggest angles in the US.
So let's avoid the angle and mountain part of the discussion. I can see needing that for some that are not well tuned to these conditions, but let's talk about flat range shooting and only flat range shooting.
My question is, how many who own and use a Level on their rifle, finds it helps them on a flat range ?
I have my thoughts and many have heard me discuss them on our podcast.
Podcast 102
Even if you listen to a few others, I have mentioned this... but I am interested in flat range use. Do you need it to find level even on a flat range ?
During my fundamental eval I conduct in every class I see guys on square ranges canting the rifle, and those who claim to need a level often cite shooting in the mountains, but very few of these observations are taking place in the mountains. Even at the K02M event this year I watched a team get knocked out because they were canted from shot to shot on flat ground.
Here is Wade Stuteville during his win at the SHC back in the day, Douglas WY match, and his level during a string of fire:
Here is a picture from Jim at an AK Eval where you can see the cant when he pulls the bolt over.
Does a level help when the shooter pulls the rifle over during a string of fire. Especially considering most dont' use it after the string starts.
So flat range level users, explain to me the logic of your decision and why you think you can't manage to "eyeball it" vs needing a level on flat ground.