The military is pretty impressive but....

[pmclaine]

this is really pretty impressive

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-mountain-bringing-suicidal-man-safety.html

I bet that guy supplied hilltops in Afghanistan.

Great job.

 

[Strykervet]

Damn! Only took a half hour on top of it!

That's one helluva pilot. Doing that at that altitude?

 

[Veer_G]

The Chinook delivered the climber to a baseball field in Welches, Oregon, after which he was transported to the hospital.

... as if he went up there on a bet or something.

 

[FS1]

The CH-47 is one of the few helios that can hover at that altitude. Its a bad ass bird.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

The CH-47 is one of the few helios that can hover at that altitude. Its a bad ass bird.

Bad ass is an understatement. Load that thing up with troops or gear then watch the bitch bend as she takes off. The first time I seen it, my first thought was this bitch is going to break in half, well at least we won't have as far to fall like UH1 did last time. LOL

 

[pmclaine]

I was just mentioning "ground effect" yesterday in regards to the Magnetospeed and why no matter how you mount it its likely to effect POI to some degree.

I cant imagine the variables in this maneuver. Does he have to deal with two ground effect situations? Mountain air currents.

Looking at the rube goldberg controls that control a single rotor helicopter all I can think is the pilot has arms legs, wrists doing a shit load of stuff all at once to perform that rescue.

I just about totally exhausted myself yesterday in 90 degree humidity changing a tire with OEM tools on the side of the highway - full flop sweat - that pilot is assuredly cooler than me but he had to be working.

 

[powdahound76]

I believe they landed at a baseball field to put the mentally ill man in an ambulance. We have that a lot where the National Guard will assist with a high angle rope rescue (our choppers aren't equipped for that) with a Blackhawk, and to get the better equipped med staff with the patient, they land and move the patient to one of our helps.

That video was pretty awesome! Always love watching stuff like this.

 

[Maggot]

Impressive rescue, indeed, and that so many risked so much for an idiot.

I wonder if he'll get a bill for that?

 

[pmclaine]

Id be afraid to walk into the ramp of that thing.

Looks like the rear rotor was at weed top level due to the angle.

 

[_Windrider_]

I was just mentioning "ground effect" yesterday in regards to the Magnetospeed and why no matter how you mount it its likely to effect POI to some degree.

I cant imagine the variables in this maneuver. Does he have to deal with two ground effect situations? Mountain air currents.

Looking at the rube goldberg controls that control a single rotor helicopter all I can think is the pilot has arms legs, wrists doing a shit load of stuff all at once to perform that rescue.

I just about totally exhausted myself yesterday in 90 degree humidity changing a tire with OEM tools on the side of the highway - full flop sweat - that pilot is assuredly cooler than me but he had to be working.

Mountain currents probably but ground effect no. The slope of the mountain would disperse the cushion of air and eliminate its effects. In fixed wing aircraft, ground effect begins around the some distance as 1/2 the aircrafts wingspan from a flat surface (water, runway etc). Not sure the ROT in rotors but I’d imagine it’s probably somewhere around the height of the blades under the craft. I disagree ground effect has any issue on POI of an MS. It’s moving way to fast for it to matter and with the bayonet being so skinny what little there could be is dissipated as it falls of the side. That’s just theory. I’d need super slow stop motion photos to prove it. I can say I get zero shift when using mine in the MK mount.

None of that however takes away from the fact that this guy was a bonafide bad ass in doing what he did.

 

[pmclaine]

Mountain currents probably but ground effect no. The slope of the mountain would disperse the cushion of air and eliminate its effects. In fixed wing aircraft, ground effect begins around the some distance as 1/2 the aircrafts wingspan from a flat surface (water, runway etc). Not sure the ROT in rotors but I’d imagine it’s probably somewhere around the height of the blades under the craft. I disagree ground effect has any issue on POI of an MS. It’s moving way to fast for it to matter and with the bayonet being so skinny what little there could be is dissipated as it falls of the side. That’s just theory. I’d need super slow stop motion photos to prove it. I can say I get zero shift when using mine in the MK mount.

None of that however takes away from the fact that this guy was a bonafide bad ass in doing what he did.

We will agree on the bad ass and I dont have the knowledge to judge the GE when the slope is a consideration. I am aware of some helo accidents that occur as the pilot hovers over one surface and than through error or whatever transitions over a different elevation surface and discovers he has no more lift - think hovering over a roof top than drifting over the edge of that roof.

There was a post recently with what seems to be a pilot and he had some slow mo pics of a projectile over a surface and you could see the distubance in the wake of the round.

I think you are correct that the disturbance is limited but I contend it is still disturbance. Perhaps over 100 yards its effect is limited and really what reason is there to shoot over a MS for more than 100 yards unless you want to do a 300 yard ladder and POI really matters.

See how civil we are in our disagreement?

Why cant our pols be like us?

I think I like you.

 

[PDXGS]

The guard unit this helo came from is top notch.
I've worked with them on a search for a missing kid, still lost. They flew low and covered our asses as we searched a long section of local road and forest....all the time giving us a heads-up on any possible threats.
Very comforting know that they've got our backs.

 

[hic28]

“Authorities said the man climbed Mount Hood intending to commit suicide, but changed his mind and called 911 for help instead”

Sorry, you made your choice. Why waste thousands to save your dumbass

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Now imagine doing this at night, on a mountaintop in a hot LZ with a bunch of mountain Talib's shooting AKs and RPG's at you....

And think about the great big cojones these guys have.

The saying I like to use: "Amateurs train 'til they get it right. Professionals train until they can't get it wrong."

This pilot... is in the latter category for sure!

Well done!

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[_Windrider_]

We will agree on the bad ass and I dont have the knowledge to judge the GE when the slope is a consideration. I am aware of some helo accidents that occur as the pilot hovers over one surface and than through error or whatever transitions over a different elevation surface and discovers he has no more lift - think hovering over a roof top than drifting over the edge of that roof.

There was a post recently with what seems to be a pilot and he had some slow mo pics of a projectile over a surface and you could see the distubance in the wake of the round.

I think you are correct that the disturbance is limited but I contend it is still disturbance. Perhaps over 100 yards its effect is limited and really what reason is there to shoot over a MS for more than 100 yards unless you want to do a 300 yard ladder and POI really matters.

See how civil we are in our disagreement?

Why cant our pols be like us?

I think I like you.

I know exactly what thread You speak of and I respectfully disagreed with him there as well.

 

[_Windrider_]

Now imagine doing this at night, on a mountaintop in a hot LZ with a bunch of mountain Talib's shooting AKs and RPG's at you....

And think about the great big cojones these guys have.

The saying I like to use: "Amateurs train 'til they get it right. Professionals train until they can't get it wrong."

This pilot... is in the latter category for sure!

Well done!

Cheers,

Sirhr

Coincidentally I watched Lone Survivor last night.

 

[_Windrider_]

We will agree on the bad ass and I dont have the knowledge to judge the GE when the slope is a consideration. I am aware of some helo accidents that occur as the pilot hovers over one surface and than through error or whatever transitions over a different elevation surface and discovers he has no more lift - think hovering over a roof top than drifting over the edge of that roof.

There was a post recently with what seems to be a pilot and he had some slow mo pics of a projectile over a surface and you could see the distubance in the wake of the round.

I think you are correct that the disturbance is limited but I contend it is still disturbance. Perhaps over 100 yards its effect is limited and really what reason is there to shoot over a MS for more than 100 yards unless you want to do a 300 yard ladder and POI really matters.

See how civil we are in our disagreement?

Why cant our pols be like us?

I think I like you.

If you are curious, I checked with a good friend who used to fly apaches and blackhawks. Helos have two types in and out of ground effect. IGe occurs at 1.5 times rotor diameter which is very similar to fixed wind of about .5-1 of wingspan.

 

[softcock]

That Chinook did great that high up . Years back ( forget year ? ) there was a rescue attempt and crash on Mt Hood with a HH-60G and did not NOT turn out so great for Heli. or crew .
I been up in Swiss Alps in one of those France manufactured high altitude helicopters . I was always under the impression, high altitude and snow need specific tuned machines for close surface hover and landing .
.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

The local news had the rescuers interview on and they said with the angle of the mountain the rotors were at face level so they had to go down and around

 

[pmclaine]

The local news had the rescuers interview on and they said with the angle of the mountain the rotors were at face level so they had to go down and around

Troop training is to come in from the side mainly to deal with tail rotor concerns.

Flat blades usually aren't a problem unless your half landed, half flying on a slope.

 

[Clearlight]

The gen public don’t get to see some of the crazy shit 47 jockeys get up too , which is probably a good
thing . I remember seeing a demo in the bush here in Aus in the 80’s , the pilot wheeling the 47 across
a paddock while the loadmaster pushes a pallet out . Pilot then flares up and does some donuts , turns
to face us then does a nose dip , and flies backwards off into the distance ....

 

[Yasherka]

The CH-47 is one of the few helios that can hover at that altitude. Its a bad ass bird.

Yep, I was a single-engine Bell guy my whole career (UH-1, AH-1, OH-58D) and wouldn't even do the performance plannig card to see if I could hover up there.

I flew into Leadville several times (9900') and it just felt sloppy the whole way in, plus our VnE was about 80 knots. Those '47 guys have the power and coconut-sized balls to pull that shit off.

 

[pmclaine]

Yep, I was a single-engine Bell guy my whole career (UH-1, AH-1, OH-58D) and wouldn't even do the performance plannig card to see if I could hover up there.

I flew into Leadville several times (9900') and it just felt sloppy the whole way in, plus our VnE was about 80 knots. Those '47 guys have the power and coconut-sized balls to pull that shit off.

Yet the Gunship guys get all the glamour.

Infantry might get by without a gunship but your fucked without insertion, extraction, medevac and supply.

 

[Yasherka]

Yet the Gunship guys get all the glamour.

Minor correction: the Apache fags get all the glamour. I flew a '66 model Cobra during Desert Storm with patched bullet holes on the side from Vietnam. We (the AH-1 community) did roughly 75% of the missions and damage but the Apaches got the coverage.

Multi-million dollar piece-of-shit missile-magnet. The unhappiest people I ever met were AH-64 maintenance test pilots

 

[pmclaine]

Minor correction: the Apache fags get all the glamour. I flew a '66 model Cobra during Desert Storm with patched bullet holes on the side from Vietnam. We (the AH-1 community) did roughly 75% of the missions and damage but the Apaches got the coverage.

Multi-million dollar piece-of-shit missile-magnet. The unhappiest people I ever met were AH-64 maintenance test pilots

Im not totally up to speed having been a ground pounder but I do understand Apache pilots are a special sort of douche.......

 

[_Windrider_]

^^^^^^bwahahahahaha. I thought she was Cherokee?

 

[cav has been]

Them shithooks are the only fling wing that truly skeered me. Two engines, two rotors, five transmissions,ten miles of hydraulic lines, and electrical wires measured in hundreds of miles, and they all seem to be in disagreement about what to do. LOUD inside. All that being said they are a performer and they've been workhorses since the sixties. Watching one of them do a high speed rolling takeoff from a hard runway was impressive.
I preferred Loaches.

 

[Yasherka]

Them shithooks are the only fling wing that truly skeered me. Two engines, two rotors, five transmissions,ten miles of hydraulic lines, and electrical wires measured in hundreds of miles, and they all seem to be in disagreement about what to do. LOUD inside. All that being said they are a performer and they've been workhorses since the sixties. Watching one of them do a high speed rolling takeoff from a hard runway was impressive.
I preferred Loaches.

An aircraft that looks like two palm trees gang-banging a dumpster and can have a mid-air with itself. Never inspired confidence.

 

[Bender]

An aircraft that looks like two palm trees gang-banging a dumpster and can have a mid-air with itself. Never inspired confidence.

Lmaoooooooo ???

 

[schmi015]

Mt. Hood has been known to fuck up hikers and military aircraft. This was the incident softcock had mentioned, thanks again for those ammo binders!

 

[Graywolf.260]

I was up there climbing and skiing two days after if happened, looking at the slope where it put down just makes you shake your head and wonder why they didn't subdue that guy and lower him with ropes.

 

[cav has been]

Yasherka that is the very best description of the hook I've ever heard!!!

 

[softcock]

Mt. Hood has been known to fuck up hikers and military aircraft. This was the incident softcock had mentioned, thanks again for those ammo binders!

-
that's the one ...thanks
There 'always every year' 1, 2, or 3 . rescues off Hood and mostly falling related . The reason is that Hood is just so damn easy to access, just drive up to Timberline and go to it . and non technical for most part .
In actuality, the rugged Badass local climb around here is Mt. Rainier and it can be a mean as you willing to push it . Rainier is used for serious training for the guys who want to step-up it up some notches .

 

[thejeep]

Dude could have just butt slid back to the lot, for free, and would have had a good enough time to lift his mood, for free.

 

[MarinePMI]

When I was at SOFIC this past summer, they had a demonstration that (while mocked up and having some very generic TTPs) showed some examples of GE on helos as they transitioned across the water and over land...

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[pmclaine]

When I was at SOFIC this past summer, they had a demonstration that (while mocked up and having some very generic TTPs) showed some examples of GE on helos as they transitioned across the water and over land...

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With the red team wearing Keffiyeh what are they trying to say?

Obama would be pissed.