Most perplexng to me, neocon, libtard, whatever...
Anybody that is thinking Russia is our "frenemy" here way off base. Nor is Ukraine our friend.
1) Is Ukraine corrupt? Yes!!! Is our Gov? I think we know the answer to that after Trump showed us the icky creatures in the swamp.
1b) Do all the people in a country with corrupt goverment need to suffer the misery of war? No. Wars are started, for the most part, by politicians and not "people on the ground."
2) Does Ukraine deserve to be destroyed because their leaders are corrupt or have been? NO, just as we do not deserve to be destroyed by a foreign (or domestic) enemy.
3) Is Russia going to stop at Ukraine - Fuck no!!!
4) Is this about cleaning up Ukraine - nope, it's to reestablish dominance. If it were about cleaning up, he could have assasinated their leadership. This is about submission.
5) Both countries are at fault here. Actually, pretty much all of the NATO countries, Ukraine and Russia are at fault. Somebody needs to be an adult and actually say "Vlad...exactly what the fuck do you want? Do you want Crimea? You have it already!. Do you want guarantee no NATO in Ukraine...you have it, but you have to broker into a treaty that specifically acknowledges Ukraine as an independent country...and that they may possess up to 10 nukes to keep you honest since you've broken more than one treaty"
6) Am I taking sides? Yes and no. I can understand why Russia wouldn't want a NATO base right next door to their oil. Is Ukraine corrupt? Yes. Is Russia, yes. This was 100% brought about due to PedoJoe's weakness and cancelling the US's exportation of energy. Leaving door wide open. When a void opens and a power gap appears, some other country will fill that void. This is why this current form of "leadership" from behind is so poisonous...Time and time again in history it plays out JUST LIKE THIS!!!!!!!! WW-I, WW-II, WW-III? Power vaccum.
Ultimately, we're not being told what is going on. Frankly, I don't know how much negotiation happened before this began. Perhaps Russia has real reason to be blowing up the country; but, we'll never know the actual truth here. Maybe, years from now we will. However, at some point one has to ask themself...does Ukraine deserve to be a sovereign nation? That's the real question here, not "is Russia killing the NWO or not."
Very, very difficult to tell right from wrong here - especially if one looks at the very long term.