Hunting & Fishing The next time someone tells you hunting is cruel.......

[308pirate]

Show them this:


And then ask them: if they were the antelope which would they prefer, being eviscerated alive or taking a bullet through the heart or brain.

 

[B-P-UU]

"Mother nature is a cruel hearted bitch."
- My Uncle Bill

 

[sandwarrior]

Makes me want to release wild dogs where the "nature fuckers" live. See if THEY like getting eviscerated by mother nature?

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I kind of like watching a lion and a pack of hyenas. Remember the one female that left the pride and gave birth to her litter. A cobra bit all of them killing the newborns and temporarily blinding the mother. She was blind and weak as shit. Took her a day and a night fighting off a pack to survive. She made back it but it was a bitch.

 

[sandwarrior]

I kind of like watching a lion and a pack of hyenas. Remember the one female that left the pride and gave birth to her litter. A cobra bit all of them killing the newborns and temporarily blinding the mother. She was blind and weak as shit. Took her a day and a night fighting off a pack to survive. She made back it but it was a bitch.

Mother nature IS a bitch...especially when you don't do things her way.

 

[JG26_Irish]

There are predators and prey. Which do you prefer to be?

 

[sandwarrior]

There are predators and prey. Which do you prefer to be?

Other than for man, it's a six of one half dozen of the other. Predators won't take on a healthy full grown animal. They take the weak out of the herd. No way is a lion or a hyena taking a healthy water buffalo. Even the smaller antelope, they stand a chance of getting their face kicked in. Or, spending more energy than they gain chasing a healthy one down. I watched a documentary on wolves once where a scientist studying them, watched them separate out what seemed like a healthy caribou bull. They passed up young animals and females, but didn't bring them down. The guy went back and watched his film to see what made them take that bull. A single slip on the ice. Once he saw it, he could see all the wolves focus on that one animal. He had to watch his film a number of times to see it though.

Conversely, being a predator may be the better side, but it ain't easy. One wrong move on your prey and you might be done. You gotta be strong and take what isn't easy. Not strong enough or not in the mood isn't an option. Not just for the individual, but the pride or pack. They depend on strong members. No easy life.

Also think about different predator levels. Unless you're the apex predator, life is just as rough. Coyote packs kill foxes, Wolves kill coyotes. Grizzly bears will run wolves off their kill until it eats what it wants. Black bears don't fare so well with wolf packs. But, they certainly won't make a meal out of one. Everything likes to keep a wide berth of wolverines.

 

[shooter65]

Kill or be killed. The law of the jungle.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Other than for man, it's a six of one half dozen of the other. Predators won't take on a healthy full grown animal. They take the weak out of the herd. No way is a lion or a hyena taking a healthy water buffalo. Even the smaller antelope, they stand a chance of getting their face kicked in. Or, spending more energy than they gain chasing a healthy one down. I watched a documentary on wolves once where a scientist studying them, watched them separate out what seemed like a healthy caribou bull. They passed up young animals and females, but didn't bring them down. The guy went back and watched his film to see what made them take that bull. A single slip on the ice. Once he saw it, he could see all the wolves focus on that one animal. He had to watch his film a number of times to see it though.

Conversely, being a predator may be the better side, but it ain't easy. One wrong move on your prey and you might be done. You gotta be strong and take what isn't easy. Not strong enough or not in the mood isn't an option. Not just for the individual, but the pride or pack. They depend on strong members. No easy life.

Also think about different predator levels. Unless you're the apex predator, life is just as rough. Coyote packs kill foxes, Wolves kill coyotes. Grizzly bears will run wolves off their kill until it eats what it wants. Black bears don't fare so well with wolf packs. But, they certainly won't make a meal out of one. Everything likes to keep a wide berth of wolverines.

Have you seen wolves in action? In person?

 

[sandwarrior]

Have you seen wolves in action? In person?

I have seen them in the wild in person. But, not making a kill. I have seen the results, though. I lived about 150 miles north of Yellowstone when DOI released them in Yellowstone. Within one year, local ranchers were losing cattle. They'll go after slow cattle long before they'll bust ass and chase down elk.

The difference here is that these imported wolves are breaking into a wilderness/agriculture niche vs. Alaskan wolves which have no agrarian food base. Pretty much still in it's natural state. We already had wolves in Montana, but Babbitt (Sec. of Int.) didn't give a shit and wanted his own personal agenda followed. Which is why I posted above that if they want to transplant wolves into Yellowstone, then we need to transplant wolves back into the Bay area/Sacramento Valley and Bears back into the coastal mountains of CA.

 

[Kraze]

Nature can be brutal. Plenty more examples at the Nature is Metal Instagram page (you don't need an Instagram account to view): https://www.instagram.com/natureismetal/

 

[Ankeny]

Predators won't take on a healthy full grown animal.

As a general rule I would tend to agree. One notable exception is a mountain lion. Mountain lions eat healthy adult mule deer like Lays potato chips.

 

[sandwarrior]

As a general rule I would tend to agree. One notable exception is a mountain lion. Mountain lions eat healthy adult mule deer like Lays potato chips.

I agree that what they take seem healthy. There may be something to them as to why a predator takes them. Maybe they're just weeding out the dumb ones?

 

[abn31c]

Lions are also very hard on wild sheep. Dont believe me, find a lion drag in sheep country.

 

[sandwarrior]

Lions are also very hard on wild sheep. Dont believe me, find a lion drag in sheep country.

Tell me about it. In the late 70's, Nevada (where I grew up) made a deal with Arizona that got us 36 desert bighorn sheep. The mountain lions killed every one of them in the first year. We tried it again a few years later, with the years in between putting a bounty on the lions to thin down the mountain lion population. That worked. We still have a cat quota (I haven't lived there for 30 years) of 210 per year. It never gets filled but even just keeping them on the run seems to help.

Of course, California has gone backwards because you can't use dogs now to track the cats. Leading to a number of deaths of desert bighorn sheep. The only news that comes out about Desert bighorn sheep deaths is a pneumonia epidemic they suffered a few years back.

 

[abn31c]

I live in colorado, have been on my share of sheep hunts and cats and domestic sheep in the high country are the main concern for herd sustainability that I see. Human encroachment would be third. But hey I'm not a bioligist. lol

 

[Spartan67]

Awhile back while I was bow hunting, I had a Doe go by my stand, soon to be followed by 3 domestic dogs. ( I forgot the breeds). A few days later, I found the remains of the deer after the dogs had there fun with it.
None of the dogs made it through the season.....

 

[308220]

Awhile back while I was bow hunting, I had a Doe go by my stand, soon to be followed by 3 domestic dogs. ( I forgot the breeds). A few days later, I found the remains of the deer after the dogs had there fun with it.
None of the dogs made it through the season.....

Domestic dogs are a real problem. Every year, all year, I see peoples dogs running and killing all forms of wild life. Deer, rabbit, turkey, farmers chickens, cats, other dogs. Where i live is mostly a farmers community. None of them keep their dogs leashed. The loner or group of 2-3 have free range of all the others property. Last year I saw a domestic dog along the side of the road enjoying a fresh chicken he just killed. Quarter mile up the road I pass a house with about 10 free range chickens in their yard. Not hard to figure out where the dog got it. Also seen a farmers dog (same road) jump into a pile of brush and pull out a cottontail. These same dogs are loose every day. Running the roads looking for easy meals. Any given day in the oil patch, I see 8-9 dogs having free range. No owners in sight. There is a reason there are leash laws. If I was a farmer and I seen these muts on my property killing my chickens or barn cats, he would have 1-2 less muts.

 

[Spartan67]

in Ny, all dogs are to be leashed during fall and winter to prevent this.

 

[308220]

in Ny, all dogs are to be leashed during fall and winter to prevent this.

In Ohio, where I live, all dogs must be confined. Year round. Unless if the dog is hunting with its owner. Whether it be by fence/electric or by a leash. No dogs are allowed to wonder. Yet, NOBODY follows this law here in rural areas. Its really quite dangerous. Id hate to be a utilty meter guy. Id be packin. And I know for a fact Id have already shot more than a few.

 

[Rthur]

First off they can eat a dick as their opinion is based off of feelings and Disney movies.
Most if not all reside in the city.
Same dipshits that thought/said wolves would stay in Yellowstone.( not that I believe that)

R

 

[308pirate]

I will kill any dog that bares its teeth at me. No ifs ands or buts. If the owner has a problem, I can solve it for him too.

 

[Stooxie]

Going back to the video, it doesn't quite make sense to me. I've gutted over 50 deer and I've never seen organs just fall out like that. The color also doesn't seem right. What organ is bright red like that?

Not suggesting the video isn't real, just that maybe that animal was already sick. I dunno.

-Stooxie

 

[Swingpress]

 

[308pirate]

Going back to the video, it doesn't quite make sense to me. I've gutted over 50 deer and I've never seen organs just fall out like that. The color also doesn't seem right. What organ is bright red like that?

Not suggesting the video isn't real, just that maybe that animal was already sick. I dunno.

-Stooxie

You've never gutted a live animal that was jumping around trying to escape or fight. That's the difference, both in how the viscera fell out and in its color.

The heart is pumping into severed blood vessels

 

[Stooxie]

You've never gutted a live animal that was jumping around trying to escape or fight. That's the difference, both in how the viscera fell out and in its color.

The heart is pumping into severed blood vessels

Good point!

-Stooxie