The OFFICIAL 'Wuhan' Coronavirus outbreak information and tracking thread. NARRATIVE CHANGE. "Endemic, just like the cold". Cuomo regrets lockdown.

[pmclaine]

So far i know 5 friends that have it . Most interesting is how fast this shit spreads , my shooting partner caught it about 10days ago . His case was caught early on but still 5 person we know got it from him and his secondaries.In his case whole chain of events is known.

He got infected on Saturday when he had dinner with his neighbor that just returned from US a day earlier,2 days later neighbor was tested COVID19 positive , friend went into self isolation and our equvalent of CDC got an apointment for the test in the mean time all his posible contacts were contacted first by him them by CDC to self isolate and get apointments for testing , so far we know only meeting he went to was at one of our shooting associations , so far it looks like most attending cought the bug ,but that is only 4 people that went into selfisolation a day later.
Couple of days later the ones tested got COVID19 positive test with every new suspected case CDC calls all posible contacts for selfisolation and testing . So far all are only going trough mild sindromes and only one that was riveted to bed for about a week was my shootin partner who is in his 60s but quite fit.

The crazy part is actualy the case of the lady that he got the bug from , she has been to a Boston visiting a s pharma industry conference with another bussines associate of hers from another European country , that associate was sking in Italys Cortina d’Ampezzo days prior , i assume that she got infected there , and then traveled around Europe and US for a week or 10 days before being diagnosed COVID19 positive . So i can only imagine the total number of infected from a single patient if we see my buddy so far can be traced to at least 5 infections even tough we was infected maybe 36 hours before the self isolation.

Man you really are Russian disinformation.....your response couldn't be more tailored to my situation, its uncanny.

So of all the people how much more serious than the average cold?

Perhaps it is virulent in its transmission but what has been the outcome?

Sounds like everyone is doing okay?

 

[pmclaine]

Alledgedly the virus can survive on hard surfaces for many days - ive seen up to 2 weeks? On soft surfaces for several days.

If true, its likely been in the mail system, on frequently touched surfaces, basically all over the fn place for quite sometime now.

Oh, and you have ohio officials saying there are likely over 100,000 infections just in ohio alone...how is that? Where are they getting that number? @pmclaine is probably on the right track. This cat been out of the bag for a while now. So what gives then?

Another two or three weeks everyone should have had some form of exposure and what was "novel" will now be "old".

Trump will be proven right......it will just go away.

Elderly and underlying health concerns need to be concerned.

Save your extra toilet paper for them.

 

[pmclaine]

I am 90% sure I got it two weeks ago yesterday. I am sure it is already rampant, and just not tested. I had respiratory issues. Sounded like a frog when I was breathing. 103 temp for 2.5 days, and high for 4. Started with a sore throat on a Thursday. Back to work the following Wednesday. I would say it was the worst shit I have had in my life, but I never felt like death. That Saturday was pretty bad, I felt like going to the ER, but just couldn't get up! My wife is a PRN and had just traveled to the west coast for a seminar the previous week. She got a little something, but nothing like me, but she is around shit all the time. I have no idea what it was, but I had all the posted symptoms. I have had the flu a few times in my life, but I would say this was about 1.5 times worse than anything I have had before. Two weeks out, I am 100% normal now. Looking back, not a huge deal.....but something I won't forget soon. I self medicated and was fine. I work in an office of 25 people and about 10 of them have been sick after me. All have had the same experience.....most are 25-45 years old. One went to the ER, but they were not able to test him as the kits were not available. I'm in Missouri. If I survived that and it wasn't CV, then I am not worried.

The hysteria has me laughing along with some of the post in this thread......IE Dippy! Now, some people will die, and that sucks, but people die everyday of shit. The media and social media like this site are great for making sure my Walmart is out TP. We have always been half assed "preppers", and I use that term lightly, so we are good for a few months. I know for some, money is tight, but if you are not keeping shit stocked away for at least a month, you are foolish. Most things settle in a months time. It takes about that long for people to snap back to reality....IMO.

99.9999% of people are going to be just fine.......Calm the fuck down! It's a bad flu, but we get the flu all the time! I would be more worried about cancer, crashing your car, and heart disease! You should probably by some TP for all three!

If what you describe is the worst you have been through you are lucky.

My experience with flu is sitting on the toilet shitting while throwing up in a trash can.....laying on the bathroom floor was the only relief until the cold tile easing the fever turned into chills.

Cold and flu are two different animals.

Flu is scary. Colds are uncomfortable.

Either can turn into pneumonia which is another problem altogether.

 

[TriggerJerk!]

Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now

Politicians and Business Leaders: What Should You Do and When?

medium.com

This^^^^^. Social distancing now is the best first step.

 

[clcustom1911]

This

China has now threatened to withhold the COVID-19 vaccine. So what would Bernie and AOC have to say about how benevolent a communist country is when it comes to saving peoples lives. The Chi-coms expect the rest of the world to kiss their asses.

The good thing to come out of this panic is the realization to those who want extremely cheap (Chinese) products is how dependent we've become to these rat bastards.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-deny-americans-coronavirus-drugs

Article should be front page news across every single website, paper, and breaking news on every broadcast outlet.

That's fucking BULLSHIT and a massive national security threat. I wonder who got extra campaign donations, houses, cars or whatever bought for them, insider trading shares, or exemptions from insider trading written in laws for them...... hmmmm ..... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who was bought and paid for by Big Pharma over the last 30 years or so to make all this happen....

 

[Inifinty]

If what you describe is the worst you have been through you are lucky.

My experience with flu is sitting on the toilet shitting while throwing up in a trash can.....laying on the bathroom floor was the only relief until the cold tile easing the fever turned into chills.

Cold and flu are two different animals.

Flu is scary. Colds are uncomfortable.

Either can turn into pneumonia which is another problem altogether.

Got tired of being told by the doctor to ride shit out, especially coughs, and figured a few things out along the way.

You might look into colloidal silver. In my experience a few shots over the course of 24hrs usually knocks out stomach flu pretty quick.

Wife has chronic bronchitus and sinus infections. She's on perennial course of antibiotics but it always comes back. Started her on medium doses (1000mg twice per day) of vitamin C and she's already getting some improvement for both conditions in a couple days. Going to bump that up a bit and see where it goes.

Of course YMMV.

 

[clcustom1911]

seeing a Asian woman at Costco with a full cart of paper goods is like seeing the sun rise in the east

the weekend is usually like a chi-comm human wave attack at most locations around the tristate area

You're preaching to the choir. I worked in a city for 10 years that was 60-65% Asian persuasion.

 

[Mr.BR]

Man you really are Russian disinformation.....your response couldn't be more tailored to my situation, its uncanny.

So of all the people how much more serious than the average cold?

Perhaps it is virulent in its transmission but what has been the outcome?

Sounds like everyone is doing okay?

I would have taught you got tired of Russia medling hoaks by now.

How is it disinformation and which part is supposedly tailored to you ? Have you been in Boston mingling with folks at pharma conference?

Anyways added a mention '' no shortage of toilet paper'' to my Tinder profile

 

[Centuriator]

China has now threatened to withhold the COVID-19 vaccine.

What vaccine?

 

[Centuriator]

Flu is sitting on the toilet shitting while throwing up in a trash can.....

That is not the Flu. InFLUenza is a respiratory infection caused by a virus.

There is no such thing as "stomach flu" it is called that in common parlance, but it is an intestinal infection marked by watery diarrhea, abdominal cramps, nausea or vomiting, and sometimes fever.

 

[pmclaine]

Got tired of being told by the doctor to ride shit out, especially coughs, and figured a few things out along the way.

You might look into colloidal silver. In my experience a few shots over the course of 24hrs usually knocks out stomach flu pretty quick.

Wife has chronic bronchitus and sinus infections. She's on perennial course of antibiotics but it always comes back. Started her on medium doses (1000mg twice per day) of vitamin C and she's already getting some improvement for both conditions in a couple days. Going to bump that up a bit and see where it goes.

Of course YMMV.

If you are of a younger generation Id say this will be a bit of a BETA test.

I hear so much shit today about younger people having autoimmune issues I really question our food supply or what has changed to mess up so many kids.

 

[dustingaunder]

I traveled to San Antonio in January. Home a week or so later. Next day dry itchy cough. Day after that, bad dry cough and 101.x fever that was uncontrolled with Tylenol and ibuprofen. By the 5th day I couldn’t get out of bed. Exhausted with shortness of breath and uncontrollable dry cough. No other symptoms. My wife drove me to the doctor that day. Chest X-ray showed pneumonia. I was not tested for anything else. Antibiotics and codeine cough syrup. I was in bed for about 10 days and should have stayed there for at least two more. Fever had broken and I needed to get back to work. Took approximately 4-5 weeks for me to feel completely normal again. I can still feel lingering lung garbage but it’s very mild.
I cant say it was C-19 and I never would have believed it at the time, but knowing what we know now about it’s course and symptoms...
I’m healthy and active and I’ve never been that sick in my entire life. I’ll take the cold any day over that again. I was genuinely worried about myself for A couple weeks. YMMV

 

[Son of Dorn]

Do YOU have any Corona virus experience other than that your local govt is creating for you?

Has anyone on this board posted any actual CV experience.

Im guessing I have had CV since Sunday. Really nothing more than a pretty mild upper respiratory infection that tapered off yesterday.

I changed my life by only walking on the tread mill to raise my core temp and cook some germs rather than actual PT and stressing my lungs.

The only thing unstable here is our media.

Something occurred to me the other day. I go to the gym three days a week, 30min of uphill-all-the-way walking, weightlifting for different muscle groups, an extra 50min of said walking on middle days. Been doing that for almost two years now, I've only gotten a cold ONCE and I don't think I got it at the gym.

Makes me wonder if that cardio isn't helping keep me from getting infected, but then again so is wiping down the equipment twice with disinfectant.

 

[pmclaine]

That is not the Flu. Flue is an respiratory infection caused by viruses.

There is no such thing as "stomach flu" it is called that populary, but it is an intestinal infection marked by watery diarrhea, abdominal cramps, nausea or vomiting, and sometimes fever.

Ill agree.

Flu for me is a general feeling like shit, body aches, laying in bed, sweating through whatever Im wearing.

The other condition I describe, and have experienced, is way more scary to me though it perhaps should not be, the chance of getting pneumonia being more likely with flu. Still those puking /shitting jags are the worst and dehydration or just pure failing seem to be a real threat during that type of illness, I doubt anyone with underlying issues or already ill health would survive it.

 

[clcustom1911]

I hear so much shit today about younger people having autoimmune issues I really question our food supply or what has changed to mess up so many kids.

You mean 20 immunizations in a 2 year time span in a developing immune system, hot cheetos, food dyes (likelymade in China) , other highly processed GMO foods, vaping could have unintended consequences?


I'm all about vaccination, but nowadays the number and frequency in such a short time frame early in life is my concern. I remember getting shots as a kid and going every year or something close to that. Seems like these kids are getting pumped full over everything by age 2 or 3.

 

[pmclaine]

Something occurred to me the other day. I go to the gym three days a week, 30min of uphill-all-the-way walking, weightlifting for different muscle groups, an extra 50min of said walking on middle days. Been doing that for almost two years now, I've only gotten a cold ONCE and I don't think I got it at the gym.

Makes me wonder if that cardio isn't helping keep me from getting infected, but then again so is wiping down the equipment twice with disinfectant.

Fuck yeah it is helping you.

You are your own best medicine.

 

[brianf]

Something occurred to me the other day. I go to the gym three days a week, 30min of uphill-all-the-way walking, weightlifting for different muscle groups, an extra 50min of said walking on middle days. Been doing that for almost two years now, I've only gotten a cold ONCE and I don't think I got it at the gym.

Makes me wonder if that cardio isn't helping keep me from getting infected, but then again so is wiping down the equipment twice with disinfectant.

same here

for years i have always said... if dont feel well on a mon, tue, wed and i keep going to the gym im fine by the weekend.
dont feel well on a friday or if i take a few days off when not feeling well (i train every weekday) im sick as a dog on sunday/monday

not sure if the:

immune system getting a boost (but supposedly the immune system is beaten down for a while after a work out)
internal body temp being raised for a period of time killing off stuff before it gets a hold
consistent diet habits, amount and timing of food

no idea, but 100% agree

 

[Inifinty]

EXCLUSIVE: White House Officials Allege Speaker Pelosi Pushed To Include Hyde Amendment Loophole Into Coronavirus Stimulus Plan

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sought to include a potential means to guarantee federal funding for abortion into the coronavirus economic stimulus plan.

dailycaller.com

This woman's Catholic priest should give her satan cookies instead of communion crackers.

 

[clcustom1911]

EXCLUSIVE: White House Officials Allege Speaker Pelosi Pushed To Include Hyde Amendment Loophole Into Coronavirus Stimulus Plan

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sought to include a potential means to guarantee federal funding for abortion into the coronavirus economic stimulus plan.

dailycaller.com

This woman's Catholic priest should give her satan cookies instead of communion crackers.

Probably did

 

[Hobo Hilton]

History repeating itself.. 400 years ago the Royalty moved their families out of harms way... The peasant's just have to stay put..

Private-jet companies in Europe swamped with calls to fly CEOs, sports stars and entertainers to the U.S. after Trump’s travel-ban announcement
‘One client is flying his daughter home to the U.S. from university in France, and several of her fellow students are sharing the flight back with her,’ said Adam Twidell, CEO of PrivateFly

Private-jet companies in Europe swamped with calls to fly CEOs, sports stars and entertainers to the U.S. after Trump’s travel-ban announcement

‘One client is flying his daughter home to the U.S. from university in France, and several of her fellow students are sharing the flight back with her,’ said...

www.marketwatch.com

 

[clcustom1911]

Didnt see that coming...



Wait,....just wait. Wasnt it already 100% no holds barred confirmed with peer reviewed hard evidence that the virus came from a meat market?

Or from a Bio Level 4 lab in Canada made by Chinese scientists and brought back to china to a Bio Level 4 lab in Wuhan..... and, uh, oops, spilled some in the bat testicle soup....... po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe.

 

[Son of Dorn]

same here

for years i have always said... if dont feel well on a mon, tue, wed and i keep going to the gym im fine by the weekend.
dont feel well on a friday or if i take a few days off when not feeling well (i train every weekday) im sick as a dog on sunday/monday

not sure if the:

immune system getting a boost (but supposedly the immune system is beaten down for a while after a work out)
internal body temp being raised for a period of time killing off stuff before it gets a hold
consistent diet habits, amount and timing of food

no idea, but 100% agree

Haha well I don't get sick if I have to miss a day, shift schedule a bit, or trim my workouts down to accommodate other stuff I have to do, but I sure do get grumpy about missing days! Even on vacation...

Edit: Seems I've now been forbidden by my family from going to the gym "for a while" because they're paranoid about the virus. Great.

 

[W54/XM-388]

If that happens, Russia and China wont have to invade the USA, we will just starve to death after our economy’s complete collapse. How many trillions of dollars in debt are we?

That all depends on who is at the levers of control.
If there was a good patriot with a working brain and a pair of working balls that loved America and loved God, it would not be a problem.

We have the potential farm production capability in this country to feed us plus several other countries if we had to & made it a priority.
We also have enough energy resources to deal with everything on our own if we had to.
Shut the borders, deport every illegal back to their home countries on the last flight out and we'll be able to make it just fine.

Yes we have tons of national debt, but if someone had any balls they could just tell the bankers to FO and have the VP promise to do a Stalin style purge of all in the banking industry if the president happened to get assassinated or die suddenly.

Sure you might not be able to get any more cheap trinkets at Chinamart for a bit and the technocrats would be screaming (before they are dealt with for good), but everyone could eat and life could go on pretty well actually.

 

[candyx]

Now that the number of new people infected with the coronavirus in China is slowing down, the country's Communist Party is ratcheting up threats against the West, with a particularly nasty warning about access to life-saving drugs aimed at the United States.

China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

Now that the number of new people infected with the coronavirus in China is slowing, the country's Communist Party is ratcheting up threats against the West, with a particularly nasty warning about access to life-saving drugs aimed at the United States.

www.foxnews.com

China is savvy to cripple the world to gain the upper hand over us and having the power of controlling the life saving drugs everyone needs. You don't need a billion dollar weapon system anymore to spread biological warfare when you have humans at your disposal which cost you nothing. You can thank our political leaders for offshoring all our critical infrastructural of our National Defense needs to our enemies in return for political donations to keep them in office as the sheep fight and scramble over simple toilet paper just to wipe their asses, some super power ..........

 

[Hobo Hilton]

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[SD Carpenter]

Meanwhile, Joe Rogan just had a podcast with a bio scientist telling everyone how the coronavirus will kill 45 million people.....

 

[Nik H]

Joe Rogan is an idiot

 

[oneshot86]

Or from a Bio Level 4 lab in Canada made by Chinese scientists and brought back to china to a Bio Level 4 lab in Wuhan..... and, uh, oops, spilled some in the bat testicle soup....... po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe.

thats funny as hell

 

[Longshot231]

I know I can answer my own question but will ask it anyway; just to make the conversation interesting.

What happens when the truck drivers refuse to go to the big cities with the largest number of reported cases for fear of catching the virus or getting hijacked?

 

[Snuby642]

They start looking for a new job.

 

[phlegethon]

Meanwhile, Joe Rogan just had a podcast with a bio scientist telling everyone how the coronavirus will kill 45 million people.....

That's entirely possible, if it infects 50% of the world population and the case fatality is 1% (which is a reasonable projection, allowing for undertesting). 8 billion people. 4 billion infected. 40 million dead (and 400 million ICU admissions).

 

[Longshot231]

They start looking for a new job.

I was thinking more in terms of the populace’s reaction to food shortages as well as other necessities.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I know I can answer my own question but will ask it anyway; just to make the conversation interesting.

What happens when the truck drivers refuse to go to the big cities with the largest number of reported cases for fear of catching the virus or getting hijacked?

Pandemonium

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Pandemonium

I believe that it is spelt: "Pandelerium". Just ask Jeff Foxworthy. Now about that casserole dish.....



And everyone knows that Georgia is Purple!

 

[Gar.]

In times of uncertainty, there is Hope:

 

[Snuby642]

The dove and squirrels in the back yard find a new purpose.

 

[clcustom1911]

I was thinking more in terms of the populace’s reaction to food shortages as well as other necessities.

You mean Venezuela? Somalia? Etc?

 

[Threadcutter308]

I find it very interesting that a bunch of "World Leaders" and/or their spouses are being identified as having contracted CV 19. Seems like a massive surge in these reports in just the last two or three days. But, there has been very little, if any information on their particular symptoms and/or condition. None have died that I am aware of, just lots of reports of them having "caught" it.

I'm feeling, well.................manipulated.

If I were a conspiracy theorist and I strung all these dots together, I'd begin to wonder about the globalists influence in this whole clown rodeo.........

 

[hankpac]

How did the Chinese get it from Canadians?

Genuinely curious.

There is an article out saying they stole it from Canada by using Chinese spies working in the Bio Labs in Canada, A married Chinese couple and a Chinese national (female?). A male caucasion was arrested as a spy a few or couple of weeks ago. The article was titled "Did China steal Corona Virus from Canada" or something like that. There has been some controversy about the article. I found it in a short google search.

 

[clcustom1911]

That's entirely possible, if it infects 50% of the world population and the case fatality is 1% (which is a reasonable projection, allowing for undertesting). 8 billion people. 4 billion infected. 40 million dead (and 400 million ICU admissions).

Hey, Negative Nancy, even the Spanish influenza didn't infect 50% of the population. And that was during a time we didn't know shit about airborne transmission, epidemiology was still in its infancy, and people were traveling all over the world due to WWI, etc.


Get a grip, man. Yes this shit we are going through is stupid, but it's not like any country is experiencing the insanity of the pandemics of the past. Our technology is better, our communication is better, and as a whole, I believe the population is better able to understand what is going on and take appropriate measures.

 

[QuickNDirty]

Look what I just accidentally stumbled upon:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2020-05484.pdf

 

[Gar.]

The dove and squirrels in the back yard find a new purpose.

Exactly. As do the wild turkeys, deer, and bear. While many are shut up inside eating their rice from bowles, some of us will be enjoying steaks, stews, and roasts.

 

[clcustom1911]

How did the Chinese get it from Canadians?

Genuinely curious.

RCMP investigated chinese researchers

From the article

"
Qiu is a medical doctor from Tianjin, China, who came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. She is still affiliated with the university there and has brought in many students over the years to help with her work.

Currently head of the Vaccine Development and Antiviral Therapies section in the Special Pathogens Program at the lab, Qiu's primary field is immunology. Her research focuses on vaccine development, post-exposure therapeutics and rapid diagnostics of viruses like Ebola.

She is also an adjunct professor in the Department of Medical Microbiology at the University of Manitoba.

Cheng also works at the lab as a biologist. He has published research papers on HIV infections, Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), E. coli infections and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Syndrome. "

SARS.... you know that "other, first oronavirus"

 

[W54/XM-388]

Look what I just accidentally stumbled upon:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2020-05484.pdf

So basically, the government is giving a full on gift to Big Pharma and any idiot doctors etc.

So pretty much it will go down as do what we say and take what we say without question or we'll use guns to force you.

Then if what they do winds up killing you, maiming you, ruining your lives, killing your kids... oh well, tough luck!

Even specifically if they give out wrong doses which they should have known better!!!

But I'll be even most on the site here will put their heads in the sand and say how much they trust that whatever the government and drug companies say they should do, should be done without question and let's mob anyone that dares ask questions.

So when the new rushed wonder vaccine causes lifelong illness, cancer or even death... well aren't you glad..

 

[QuickNDirty]

So basically, the government is giving a full on gift to Big Pharma and any idiot doctors etc.

So pretty much it will go down as do what we say and take what we say without question or we'll use guns to force you.

Then if what they do winds up killing you, maiming you, ruining your lives, killing your kids... oh well, tough luck!

Even specifically if they give out wrong doses which they should have known better!!!

But I'll be even most on the site here will put their heads in the sand and say how much they trust that whatever the government and drug companies say they should do, should be done without question and let's mob anyone that dares ask questions.

So when the new rushed wonder vaccine causes lifelong illness, cancer or even death... well aren't you glad..

Yep, pretty fuckin' much. Brave new world, indeed!

 

[Gar.]

Look what I just accidentally stumbled upon:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2020-05484.pdf

Interesting. Is this to protect the government from liability if the vaccine ends up being worse than the virus?

Page 18
VI. Covered Countermeasures
42 U.S.C. 247d-6b(c)(1)(B), 42 U.S.C. 247d-6d(i)(1) and (7)
Covered Countermeasures are any antiviral, any other drug, any biologic, any diagnostic, any other device, or any vaccine, used to treat, diagnose, cure, prevent, or mitigate COVID-19, or the
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transmission of SARS-CoV-2 or a virus mutating therefrom, or any device used in the administration of any such product, and all components and constituent materials of any such product.
Covered Countermeasures must be “qualified pandemic or epidemic products,” or “security countermeasures,” or drugs, biological products, or devices authorized for investigational or emergency use, as those terms are defined in the PREP Act, the FD&C Act, and the Public Health Service Act.

 

[clcustom1911]

So basically, the government is giving a full on gift to Big Pharma and any idiot doctors etc.

So pretty much it will go down as do what we say and take what we say without question or we'll use guns to force you.

Then if what they do winds up killing you, maiming you, ruining your lives, killing your kids... oh well, tough luck!

Even specifically if they give out wrong doses which they should have known better!!!

But I'll be even most on the site here will put their heads in the sand and say how much they trust that whatever the government and drug companies say they should do, should be done without question and let's mob anyone that dares ask questions.

So when the new rushed wonder vaccine causes lifelong illness, cancer or even death... well aren't you glad..

Close, but not quite. This document only relates to limited immunity for drug and test related stuff because things are experimental. But, the while situation sucks. Below is an excerpt outlining compensation in the event someone does get sick or dies from a treatment or procedure "covered countermeasure" related to this coronavirus thingy:

Oh...... and this thing in in effect until.... 2024

"Section XII. Effective Time Period

The Secretary must identify, for each Covered Countermeasure, the period or periods during
which liability immunity is in effect, designated by dates, milestones, or other description of
events, including factors specified in the PREP Act. Section XII of the Declaration extends the
effective period for different means of distribution of Covered Countermeasures through October
1, 2024."

 

[phlegethon]

Hey, Negative Nancy, even the Spanish influenza didn't infect 50% of the population. And that was during a time we didn't know shit about airborne transmission, epidemiology was still in its infancy, and people were traveling all over the world due to WWI, etc.


Get a grip, man. Yes this shit we are going through is stupid, but it's not like any country is experiencing the insanity of the pandemics of the past. Our technology is better, our communication is better, and as a whole, I believe the population is better able to understand what is going on and take appropriate measures.

We don't really know much about how many people actually got the 1918 flu, given that there was no testing at the time. And I said that was possible, not that it would necessarily happen. I would be surprised if the number were less than a fifth of that, but obviously no one has a crystal ball.

All that stuff you mention hasn't really changed much. Most of the world has not done anything to slow the spread, so the knowledge is not useful. People travel far more than they did in 1918. There have always been pandemics and there probably will be as long as there are humans. Will this kill as many as the 1918 flu? Probably not. Will something else in the future? No question, yes.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Below is an excerpt outlining compensation in the event someone does get sick or dies from a treatment or procedure "covered countermeasure" related to this coronavirus thingy:

Oh you mean if something happens to you, you can eventually, when they decide to allow it, plead your case before a government benefit board that is loaded with political appointees and has the overriding motivation to not pay you... With all the proof on you to prove beyond a doubt that what they did caused the problem...... then IF you manage to get through the years of that (assuming you aren't bankrupt) you get some taxpayer money handed to you. Right, makes me feel so much better.... Not.

So yes basically as I said, pretty much lets the pharmaceutical companies run roughshod over you, backed up by men with guns "Just following orders" and well tough luck, no responsibility for anyone involved at any time, no matter what they do.... but hey maybe you can get some of your own money back.

 

[Longshot231]

Interesting. Is this to protect the government from liability if the vaccine ends up being worse than the virus?

Page 18
VI. Covered Countermeasures
42 U.S.C. 247d-6b(c)(1)(B), 42 U.S.C. 247d-6d(i)(1) and (7)
Covered Countermeasures are any antiviral, any other drug, any biologic, any diagnostic, any other device, or any vaccine, used to treat, diagnose, cure, prevent, or mitigate COVID-19, or the
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transmission of SARS-CoV-2 or a virus mutating therefrom, or any device used in the administration of any such product, and all components and constituent materials of any such product.
Covered Countermeasures must be “qualified pandemic or epidemic products,” or “security countermeasures,” or drugs, biological products, or devices authorized for investigational or emergency use, as those terms are defined in the PREP Act, the FD&C Act, and the Public Health Service Act.

When I was on active duty and had to take the flu shots, I always got sick. It's funny how, now that I don't have to take the flu shots, I don't get sick.

I didn't like government needles then, and I don't like them now.