Rifle Scopes The ol' MOA vs MIL Dilemma

[mbeavers1]

So I am thinking of getting into the PRS shooting game at a range located close to my house. All of my optics up to this point have all been MOA and all of my shooting experience has been using this system. These rifles are all hunting rifles and I will be buying a dedicated rifle to shoot LR.

Lurking and reading, it seems that the majority of the participants are running Mil and that it is helpful to "speak the same language" as the other competitors. I am an engineer and very much favor consistency. I am curious to hear everyone's opinion on having a collection of 'mixed' systems. Should I pull the trigger on a Mil scope for competition and stay with the MOA hunting rifles or stick all to MOA?

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

Up to you. Both the "keep it consistent" and "speak the same language" camps have points. Personally, I would much rather deal with a base 10 system, especially in a competition where I might need to be worried about data for multiple distances, etc.

 

[SD Carpenter]

Run

 

[Alabusa]

I have both and can interchange at will. However, any new purchase has will be mil.

 

[loveha]

I speak both, having grown up with MOA, Mil is really no different. Having a Mil scope with a regular duplex reticle though, that's a challenge. Having no way to measure for corrections.

 

[John Glidewell]

I have both and can interchange at will. However, any new purchase has will be mil.

This. I have and use both, but am slowly switching to mil.

 

[AIAW]

I call shots all the time for MOA shooters and run MIL pretty much homogeneously these days. I'm decently quick at it. Much quicker with the MIL shooters.

You can simply multiply the MIL value by 3.438 to get the MOA value. That's about it. It's never quick "in the glass".

 

[Downtown]

That is a fantastic first post. We relish the opportunity to discuss this again.

 

[mbeavers1]

Thanks guys! I think that was all the nudge I needed. Gonna pull the trigger on a Vortex Razor HD Gen 1 5-20x50, now in MIL!!

 

[AIAW]

That is a fantastic first post. We relish the opportunity to discuss this again.

God those do suck.

In the OP's defense, his question was more around the communication with dissimilar systems, not which one was better - which we've dealt with like one every few days...

 

[Snipe260]

Whatever works for you! It’s that simple

 

[Bender830]

Thanks guys! I think that was all the nudge I needed. Gonna pull the trigger on a Vortex Razor HD Gen 1 5-20x50, now in MIL!!

Where from and for how much? Some places Ive seen still have them listed for prices that would get you upgraded to a g2 razor from somewhere else.

 

[mbeavers1]

Sorry guys, didn't mean to tear off the band aid. As @AIAW said, I was more interested in this from the communication perspective. I know....search button. Shoulda done it. My bad. Now, just checking, but MOA is inches right?

 

[mbeavers1]

Where from and for how much? Some places Ive seen still have them listed for prices that would get you upgraded to a g2 razor from somewhere else.

Looking at picking up a refurbished one from AAoptics.com for $1100 delivered to my door.

 

[Snipe260]

Sorry guys, didn't mean to tear off the band aid. As @AIAW said, I was more interested in this from the communication perspective. I know....search button. Shoulda done it. My bad. Now, just checking, but MOA is inches right?

My dick is 10.2 Moa 3.47 mils

 

[mbeavers1]

My dick is 10.2 Mia. 3.47 mils

MIA? Yup...sounds right.

 

[Snipe260]

MIA? Yup...sounds right.

I think you made right choice in mils as for as comms!

 

[Bender830]

Looking at picking up a refurbished one from AAoptics.com for $1100 delivered to my door.

Not abad price. But I would still call Liberty Optics up and ask Scott what the best he can do is. May not beat it (probably wont because he sells new) but worth a shot.

 

[mbeavers1]

Not abad price. But I would still call Liberty Optics up and ask Scott what the best he can do is. May not beat it (probably wont because he sells new) but worth a shot.

Now I just need to buy a rifle to put it on. Is that putting the cart before the horse?

 

[beetroot]

MOA.

Mil is for Eurotards and wanabee snipers.
Yards and inches are far easier to understand than that other crap.

 

[notorious]

Oh my.

 

[Steel head]

I have both and can interchange at will. However, any new purchase has will be mil.

this.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

There is a better method of communicating of what is going on at target than MOA or Mil.....

It is just simple English....."Hit", "Hit"....removes the pesky MOA and Mil shit, lol.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

Thank god someone is asking the important questions around here.

 

[chevy_man]

MOA.

Mil is for Eurotards and wanabee snipers.
Yards and inches are far easier to understand than that other crap.

Your Avatar would make me believe you're trolling.



Op: it's an angular measurement. Use whatever measurement is convenient.

 

[Dthomas3523]

MOA.

Mil is for Eurotards and wanabee snipers.
Yards and inches are far easier to understand than that other crap.

This.

Not sure why people can’t get it. Mil = metric and moA= non communist measurements.

Why use angular measurements when you can use inches and feet.

 

[M8541Reaper]

This.

Not sure why people can’t get it. Mil = metric and moA= non communist measurements.

Why use angular measurements when you can use inches and feet.

Which would be the best UOM for Nautical Miles?

 

[Genin]

I can use both. I use MIL in the Army, but my stuff at home is MOA. Not sure why, but I like it that way. Being able to use both interchangeably is nice, and both work. It would be easier to use what others are so that they can give you corrections in the same language as your reticle.

 

[MadDuner]

By guess and by golly are almost interchangeable too.

 

[THEIS]

Which would be the best UOM for Nautical Miles?

Hi,

You must be one of those new millennial schooled Marines, lolol.....I know good and well us USN folks starting teaching you guys the tried and true DTP (Distance to Pirate) method in the early to mid 90s.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[M8541Reaper]

Hi,

You must be one of those new millennial schooled Marines, lolol.....I know good and well us USN folks starting teaching you guys the tried and true DTP (Distance to Pirate) method in the early to mid 90s.

Sincerely,
Theis

See you kid but “Distance to Pirate” would be a pretty cool feature.
Elevation?
Up, 1.5 Pirates.
Wind?
Left, .6 Sea Cows
Sent it.
Arggg

 

[AIAW]

Which would be the best UOM for Nautical Miles?

Gallons, definitely gallons. I have a special reticle in gigabytes that also works.

 

[Steel head]

See you kid but “Distance to Pirate” would be a pretty cool feature.
Elevation?
Up, 1.5 Pirates.
Wind?
Left, .6 Sea Cows
Sent it.
Arggg

Up 9.1 kitties
Right 1.2 puppies

Or
Up 22.2 hookers
Left 2.1 strippers

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Interesting that so many care what others use. Must be like fishing, they can't think for their self an have to know what kind of pole/line/reel/bait the thing was caught on.
Use what your comfortable with. And as far as up an wind calls, what are you going to do when it's just you an them/they aren't around? Learn your gear who cares what others use.

 

[seansmd]

The OP did say PRS and communication, it does tip the scale to MIL, despite all the solid advice to learn whichever you choose.

But mil is better.

 

[-Time-]

The OP did say PRS and communication, it does tip the scale to MIL, despite all the solid advice to learn whichever you choose.

But mil is better.

This. I think for tactical and PRS type matches most people stick to mils. The other thing I like about mils is the numbers are smaller, and to one decimal place. I want to dial 7.8mils for my 800 yard shot, not have my ballistic calculator tell me 26.62moa, and I have to decide if I want 26.50, or 26.75. Also makes turrets less cluttered.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

This. I think for tactical and PRS type matches most people stick to mils. The other thing I like about mils is the numbers are smaller, and to one decimal place. I want to dial 7.8mils for my 800 yard shot, not have my ballistic calculator tell me 26.62moa, and I have to decide if I want 26.50, or 26.75. Also makes turrets less cluttered.

Laughing,...

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I am an engineer

@joelinux is that you?

 

[joelinux]

OP -- As another engineer, I asked that same question awhile back. This is a VERY bitter fight (think CREO vs Siemens, Verilog vs VHDL, Java vs. C++, GNOME vs KDE, SystemD vs Init, etc.), but the long and short of it is that mils are the de facto standard these days. MOA has many different "variants", but a mil is a mil is a mil.

Here is the thread that answers your question...

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/current-state-of-moa-and-mil.6949029/

 

[beetroot]

Your Avatar would make me believe you're trolling.



Op: it's an angular measurement. Use whatever measurement is convenient.

Im glad someone finally appreciated my trollface.

 

[joelinux]

Im glad someone finally appreciated my trollface.

Is...Is that a Troll with a Sombrero on it?

 

[spife7980]

OP -- As another engineer, I asked that same question awhile back. This is a VERY bitter fight (think CREO vs Siemens, Verilog vs VHDL, Java vs. C++, GNOME vs KDE, SystemD vs Init, etc.), but the long and short of it is that mils are the de facto standard these days. MOA has many different "variants", but a mil is a mil is a mil.

Here is the thread that answers your question...

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/current-state-of-moa-and-mil.6949029/

Except is it a 6400 mil or a 6283 mil?

 

[beetroot]

Is...Is that a Troll with a Sombrero on it?

Trollface is part of a collection of pictures from 'Rage Comics'.

 

[hlee]