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Then and Now

Frank Greco, MACV-SOG, Vietnam. Cut-down RPD
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No kidding right? I take it you served in Vietnam sir? Any opinion on the Stoner 63/LMG system..? For instance how it would compare to say the 249's our .mil uses today? Obviously seems like itd come in a lot lighter, and what little I know on the topic - the SAW don't seem to be the most reliable MG anyhow. Think that's one small arms area the russkies did outright better job than us on with their PKM. From what I've read, a good condition PKM was and still is an absolutely phenomenal MMG/LMG.. even the run down raggedy PKM's used by the Taliban seem to give our troops trouble by pretty well outranging most everything we have short of snipers, heavy MG's, arty, air, etc.. then again that can easily come about from said Taliban basically always fighting from high ground/very advantageous positions. Not to even mention the atrocious design of our standard service rounds regarding BC/ballistics in comparison to some of the x54r ammo available.

Yes to RVN, there in '68, '69 and 70. I had no exposure to the Stoner weapons. I understand the Seals had them but I never saw one. For us, the problem was availability of ammo. We lived on a LZ. It had been the AO for a number of combat units. We stayed, they came and went. The entire time I was there it was the 173rd. We got all of our support from them and there was no 9mm that I knew of. Our shop had a K but only the ammo that was in about half a dozen sticks. Besides, we took our opsec seriously and there wasn't a K anywhere around us. We carried what everybody else carried.
 
Frank Greco, MACV-SOG, Vietnam. Cut-down RPD
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Way super cool! No front sight (?) so I'm assuming its just for saturating an area with as much lead as possible in an immediate action drill type situation before beating feet...make the unit try and appear bigger than actual size/more firepower than it really does by having everyone light up a area on full auto for 1 mag then make a hasty retreat. According to Plaster thats how SOG would handle encounters with superior forces anyhow.. tho i know he wasnt a true insider in the recon teams. The flame thrower flash bang grenade muzzle blast would honestly probably help in that event. And seeing as RPD is a 7.62x39 plus it ain't got a muzzle brake to add more obnoxiousness, it likely wouldn't be as bad as the 10" 416's and/or 10.3" Mk. 18/M4 CQBR's minus can used by our SOCOM units..
 
Yes to RVN, there in '68, '69 and 70. I had no exposure to the Stoner weapons. I understand the Seals had them but I never saw one. For us, the problem was availability of ammo. We lived on a LZ. It had been the AO for a number of combat units. We stayed, they came and went. The entire time I was there it was the 173rd. We got all of our support from them and there was no 9mm that I knew of. Our shop had a K but only the ammo that was in about half a dozen sticks. Besides, we took our opsec seriously and there wasn't a K anywhere around us. We carried what everybody else carried.

So A1's and M60's then? No XM177's, Colt Commando's, and the like? I take it ya had M79s..? How important was the M79 in your opinion? Ie would you consider it essential to making it out alive in some/any situation yall encountered?
thanks for replying sir
 
So A1's and M60's then? No XM177's, Colt Commando's, and the like? I take it ya had M79s..? How important was the M79 in your opinion? Ie would you consider it essential to making it out alive in some/any situation yall encountered?
thanks for replying sir

Yes to 16s and M60s. The Commando and/or XM177 were referred to as CARS. There weren't a lot of them around. The M-79s were pretty versatile. We had buckshot, flechette, HE, smoke and illumination rounds. The HE rounds had a pretty decent range and how effective they were depended on the guy using it just like everything else.
 
Yes to 16s and M60s. The Commando and/or XM177 were referred to as CARS. There weren't a lot of them around. The M-79s were pretty versatile. We had buckshot, flechette, HE, smoke and illumination rounds. The HE rounds had a pretty decent range and how effective they were depended on the guy using it just like everything else.

Agreed, the rounds themselves were key to gaining advantage in a fight. With a 203, but using the same rounds as the M79 (I fired them too), some guy's could put 'em through a wndow at 400m. Other guys couldn't hit a Jeep at 100m.
 
Way super cool! No front sight (?) so I'm assuming its just for saturating an area with as much lead as possible in an immediate action drill type situation before beating feet...make the unit try and appear bigger than actual size/more firepower than it really does by having everyone light up a area on full auto for 1 mag then make a hasty retreat. According to Plaster thats how SOG would handle encounters with superior forces anyhow.. tho i know he wasnt a true insider in the recon teams. The flame thrower flash bang grenade muzzle blast would honestly probably help in that event. And seeing as RPD is a 7.62x39 plus it ain't got a muzzle brake to add more obnoxiousness, it likely wouldn't be as bad as the 10" 416's and/or 10.3" Mk. 18/M4 CQBR's minus can used by our SOCOM units..

Plaster apparently did three tours with MACV/SOG and earned a battlefield commission.
 
fdkay,

I gotta ask, in your sig line, is that complete? Or, correct?

Agreed though, Plaster has said a lot of questionable things since his time in, but he was there. He mentions one of my First Sgt.s and Sgt. Major. Chapman and Carpenter, in his book.
 
fdkay,

I gotta ask, in your sig line, is that complete? Or, correct?

Agreed though, Plaster has said a lot of questionable things since his time in, but he was there. He mentions one of my First Sgt.s and Sgt. Major. Chapman and Carpenter, in his book.

I didn't even know it was still there (it doesn't show up when I'm logged in)
That was a quote from years ago in a thread on the old hide (before scout).
One of our compatriots from the old world was posting and using some type of translator software to do so. Some idiot was giving him jazz about his broken english and sentence structure (even though his avatar had his location as being in the old world). I thought it was funny at the time, so I made it my sig line.
 
A D-boy I knew could literally hit anything he looked at....as long as the grenade could reach it. One of the guys on our line was the only one who missed a Jeep at 100m. I scored expert with the weapon, but that was in basic. I did pretty good with it, but I was not the guy who could drop one on a dime at 400m.
 
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