Thermal Leveling - Scope Body or Display???

[Dutch260]

Hey Guys, my brother just got a thermal (Pulsar Thermion 2 LRF XP50) and brought it over to help him mount it up. Went through the normal leveling process as I would with any other optic and leveled the rifle and then proceeded to level the scope to the rifle. However, when we fired it up the digital display is now canted quite a bit.

I searched the interwebs looking for any others with this experience and searched the manual to see if there was a way to rotate the display clockwise or counter clockwise in small increments but came up empty handed. Am I missing something?

As this is the first experience with a thermal for either one of us, do you level the scope via the display and not worry about obvious cant to the scope body?

 

[shoots100]

Thermion scopes have a side incline option to make sure the scope is level when mounted.
Side Incline
Click on the Show device diagram > for the scope diagram.
I always use the biggest crosshair reticle for leveling.

SJC

 

[doubloon]

Thermion scopes have a side incline option to make sure the scope is level when mounted.
Side Incline
Click on the Show device diagram > for the scope diagram.
I always use the biggest crosshair reticle for leveling.

SJC

Is that a way to actually adjust side incline or is it just a way to turn the indication of side incline on or off on the display?

 

[Dutch260]

Yeah I noticed those arrows and you have to have it canted quite a bit before those show up on the display. My thing is, when the scope body is leveled to the rifle, and with that tall ass battery turret and the LRF up front, its super easy to eyeball when it's level. But when you actually look through the scope it looks like a picture frame that is tilted on the wall. Is there a way to digitally fix that like rotating the picture like you would a jpeg image on the computer? Or does it mean the display screen is not mounted square in the scope body which is why both (scope body & Display aren't level together).

 

[shoots100]

Yeah I noticed those arrows and you have to have it canted quite a bit before those show up on the display. My thing is, when the scope body is leveled to the rifle, and with that tall ass battery turret and the LRF up front, its super easy to eyeball when it's level. But when you actually look through the scope it looks like a picture frame that is tilted on the wall. Is there a way to digitally fix that like rotating the picture like you would a jpeg image on the computer? Or does it mean the display screen is not mounted square in the scope body which is why both (scope body & Display aren't level together).

There's no end user way to rotate the display without taking the scope apart, voiding the warranty.
Make a confirmed level horizontal line on a wall or target, secure the leveled rifle in a rest and adjust the horizontal crosshair of the H50i reticle to match the leveled horizontal line, tighten the rings.
If the caps of the scope are canted when the rifle and crosshair's are leveled, the scope will need to be sent back for adjustment.
If you can live with the canted scope caps , I would fire some shot's to make sure that the display doesn't move during recoil.


SJC

 

[Dutch260]

Thanks @shoots100 , my brother is just gonna box everything back up and take it to the dealer where he got it. I mean we didn't even torque it down into rings before we noticed how canted the image was in relation to the scope body. I feel like if my brother would have asked the guy at the shop to help him mount it that thermal wouldn't have left the store and would have been swapped for another and the original sent back to Pulsar.

At least that's what I feel would have or should happen when he takes it back. Thanks for the responses!

 

[shoots100]

Thanks @shoots100 , my brother is just gonna box everything back up and take it to the dealer where he got it. I mean we didn't even torque it down into rings before we noticed how canted the image was in relation to the scope body. I feel like if my brother would have asked the guy at the shop to help him mount it that thermal wouldn't have left the store and would have been swapped for another and the original sent back to Pulsar.

At least that's what I feel would have or should happen when he takes it back. Thanks for the responses!

At least your brother has the option to go to the shop he purchased it from.
This isn't always the case and usually it's a drawn out process to get a replacement.
It's the first time I'm hearing about a tilted display in a brand new thermal optic.
Always a first time for everything.

SJC

 

[Scooby-93]

What was the outcome? Mine is exactly the same

@Dutch260

 

[Dutch260]

Hey @Scooby-93 , my brother returned it and got another one that had the same issue. Must have had a batch of them come out like that or he is just the unluckiest bastard alive. However you say you've got the same problem so can't be just him.

Ultimately we just leveled the reticle on the thermal and said the hell with the body being canted. Since then we've been wearing out the pigs at our farm across all distances so the ballistic calculator hasn't had any issues with how we have it mounted. It's been spot on vertically.

However once it gets hot as hell here in another few weeks (Texas) and we give the pigs a rest, my brother talked about contacting pulsar to see what's up and possibly send it back when we dont anticipate using it for a while.

Hope that helps. Feel free to DM if you got anything else specific you want to talk about.

 

[CS95]

How canted is it? Can you post a Pic that shows the display in relation to the battery cover? It certainly would be annoying if it's a lot, but assuming they boresighted it during assembly it won't affect anything shooting wise if you just level the display in the rings.

This is all assuming that I understand what you are saying. There is always the possibility that I am not,lol.

 

[Scooby-93]

Hey @Scooby-93 , my brother returned it and got another one that had the same issue. Must have had a batch of them come out like that or he is just the unluckiest bastard alive. However you say you've got the same problem so can't be just him.

Ultimately we just leveled the reticle on the thermal and said the hell with the body being canted. Since then we've been wearing out the pigs at our farm across all distances so the ballistic calculator hasn't had any issues with how we have it mounted. It's been spot on vertically.

However once it gets hot as hell here in another few weeks (Texas) and we give the pigs a rest, my brother talked about contacting pulsar to see what's up and possibly send it back when we dont anticipate using it for a while.

Hope that helps. Feel free to DM if you got anything else specific you want to talk about.

Thanks for the reply, I have left it with the scope turret/housing level & reticle cantered.

The reticle & time etc is all sloped lower on the left hand side.

Will see how it goes once zero’d up again & using the ballistic calculator.

Did you ask if the reticle should have been levelled or the scope?

 

[Dutch260]

How canted is it? Can you post a Pic that shows the display in relation to the battery cover? It certainly would be annoying if it's a lot, but assuming they boresighted it during assembly it won't affect anything shooting wise if you just level the display in the rings.

This is all assuming that I understand what you are saying. There is always the possibility that I am not,lol.

Both of the scopes that we have had were pretty canted. Like very annoyingly obvious to the eye before even putting a level on the turret. And if we leveled it based off the turret or the objective/laser rangefinder housing the bubble was maxed out to one side. Couldn't find a good pic of the canted scope but the attached pic is what the reticle looked like when the scope body/turret was leveled. That is my 5 foot level taped to my garage door at like 15 feet away. That much cant at only 15 feet is pretty bad.

 

[Dutch260]

Thanks for the reply, I have left it with the scope turret/housing level & reticle cantered.

The reticle & time etc is all sloped lower on the left hand side.

Will see how it goes once zero’d up again & using the ballistic calculator.

Did you ask if the reticle should have been levelled or the scope?

I have not talked to support about it yet but plan to this summer once it gets too hot. I'm not thermal expert here but I figured it would be best to level the reticle and not worry about the scope body. With the reticle all being digital it is going to move based on how it is on the display so if the reticle is canted I don't see how your ballistic calculator is going to be accurate at any sort of distance.

I did reach out to Pulsar about a few things with regards to their ballistic calculator app and bullet profiles and had a good experience. If you want a shortcut to support try this guy. Might be a good place to start. If you call him before I do let me know what he says lol!

Drelund Edwards
Customer Support
Sellmark Corporation
2201 Heritage Parkway
Mansfield, TX 76063
817-761-1771

Lastly, for what it's worth, with the one we've been using where we leveled it by the reticle, we've killed 30+ pigs in 4 weekends worth of hunting and everything has been dead on. No issues other than the my OCD kicking in when I notice the scope is canted. Mechanically everything else has been awesome!