They wanted equal rights - it looks like they are going to get it.

[W54/XM-388]

Mandatory service sounds like a great idea... except for the idea that we never know what the service is doing?

The term Indoc is around for a reason.

is the result of mandatory national service stronger more patriotic generations who understands the constitution and reveres the USA?

Or is the result a fanatical generation taught political ideologies by leaders who forget to answer to the people... or never had any intention of doing so.

Don’t forget recent history...

How the Hitler Youth Turned a Generation of Kids Into Nazis | HISTORY

Hitler’s war against Boy Scouts fueled the Third Reich’s ideology—and its military might.

www.history.com

National service can also be hijacked... and easier er than one might think. Komsomol’s and Red Guards are other examples...

The advantage of an all volunteer force is that people want to be there.

not to say that it is perfect... or perhaps large enough in a full on conflict. But at least the people are there because they want to be, not under duress...

I can’t imagine how dangerous an army of SJW’s would be...

sirhr

Exactly this.
Mandatory national service (despite how cool it sounds to those not under the heel of such rule) pretty much means you are a fascist or communist dictatorial state.

If you don't have freedom over your own lives and your children don't have that freedom either then you don't have freedom, just an illusion of "privileges".

When the WWII draft was going on, it was no secret that the government threatened unions and many others that if you say anything we don't like or do anything not as we tell you, then we'll just round you up at gun point and send you off to get killed.

I find it interesting how many "freedom" types are all bold and vocal about freedom till it comes to things like actually being free to do as you wish for your own life or being free to make your own medical choices for you and your family.

Freedom to own a gun doesn't mean a whole lot if you are "free" to own it only as long as you let the government tell you exactly what you can do and when you can do it.

 

[308220]

This is how I see it. A draft is unconstitutional. Period. But, IF we were to have another, both men and women need to be in the draft. Equal rights! Right?

I do not support women fighting beside men. Facts show, women arent as strong as men. But, in this day and age, we NEED to have some women on the battlefield get their heads blown clean off to send a message to leftist idiots that this is a bad idea. And that it never happens again. Yeah, it sounds brutal, but blood and death is the only way to send that message. And God be with anybody around those women.

I view this the same way I view women in LE. Every single local female cop/deputy i could beat the life out of them with my hands. As could the majority of other men. Its a bad idea. They ALWAYS have to call for backup during the most routine traffic stops because theyre scared pf getting beat to death. Its really pathetic.

A personal friend of mine is heading off to become a state stooper. Shes 5'6" and maybe 140lbs. Never thrown a punch in her life. Shes doomed to get her ass severly beat, if not killed. I told her this. But she brushed it off. My cousin who lives out in montana, his ex wife was a local cop. She was so badly beaten up and then ran over with her own car that she had to retire.

Women going up against men never results in a good outcome for the woman. 9/10.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I was drafted, serving 13 months out of my 24 overseas with the Marines during the Vietnam Conflict. Yes, they drafted Marines then, and other times, too.

Others bolted to Canada. I'm glad it never even occurred to me.

I am the youngest of three Brothers, all of whom were drafted. None of us enlisted, we are/were all proud to serve, we just preferred to be asked first.

I don't care whether the draft was Constitutional, fair, or limited to males. We had a citizen Army, with participants from all walks of life. I think it made us a better representation of the Nation we defended and served.

We were and are all the same color, Green, and we all bleed the same color, Red.

The Social Architects can debate the pros and cons of the draft; but when we had it, there was never a shortage of ready recruits, and nobody I knew of had to be paid bonuses or promised rank after Boot Camp. People could still join of their free will, just like always. The start of all this class warfare and political strife began just about simultaneously with the abolition of the Draft. I think it was no coincidence, and contributed to what we are enduring these days.

Knock the draft if you like; but I was there, and I think I'm a better citizen for it. I think the Nation was better for it, too.

It took several months for me to be trained and slotted into an active unit. There will always be that delay when manpower needs to suddenly ramp up. Having that standing force already trained and integrated into the force is distinct advantage that a Draft provides. Suppose tomorrow the Chinese or the Russians conclude that our internal political wrangling denotes a sufficiently weakened America, and we find ourselves in a shooting war. Gotta start somewhere, and a draftee component adds to our Nation's security. Which, by the way, we no longer have. No surprise to me that the weakening of our Nation began with the abolition of the Draft.

Are we strong? Of course we are. Are we strong enough to face down China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and whomever else wants in, all at once?

Good question.

IMHO, the folks who abolished that Draft didn't do it because they wanted a stronger America.

Moreover, can you imagine the ruckus that would ensue if we found ourselves on a war footing and had to get the Draft reauthorized in the current congressional stew?

Our nation is weakened from within, just as was prophesied centuries ago.

LEGOWI. It may already be too late.

Greg

 

[W54/XM-388]

tSuppose tomorrow the Chinese or the Russians conclude that our internal political wrangling denotes a sufficiently weakened America, and we find ourselves in a shooting war. Gotta start somewhere, and a draftee component adds to our Nation's security. Which, by the way, we no longer have. No surprise to me that the weakening of our Nation began with the abolition of the Draft.

Are we strong? Of course we are. Are we strong enough to face down China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and whomever else wants in, all at once?

Those senarios are Exactly why we have a nuclear deterrent.
Any politician that wants to sacrifice our youth at gunpoint to the war machine in a ground war on Chinese, Russian, North Korean soil without a full scale complete nuclear bombardment on them first, should be told.. You & your family first...Not anyone else's kids!

If those same parties were to invade us, the draft would be pointless as it would mean our government & military were either totally communist & in on it or were mostly destroyed & it's time for everyone to play Red Dawn for real.

 

[pmclaine]

Rather than a mandatory service during peace time lets make it that any war requiring more than a MEU have to be declared by record vote of Congress upon a clearly stated strategy with a list of goals to be achieved to judge when cessation of hostilities should occur.

Upon an affirmation of a war vote there will be a draft and the only exclusion will be medically unfit physically or mentally.

We need greater skin in the game and politicians on record for something as important as national defense.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

They let all manner of freaks and America-haters in gladly yet it takes a act of god to get in if you even have a rapsheet as a juvenile... They let in kids who straight up admit they DGAF about America and wouldn't lift a finger to protect it, just joining for the benefits..
Heard they used to give minor-charge offenders the option of jail or Army.. shoulda never got rid of that.

 

[wade2big]

My daughter will never be drafted. Period. Whoever tried to personally enforce this would end up dead.

I do not believe in mandatory service for all either. I would never serve this country in a foreign war. I don’t understand what would make one want to be a pawn to any corrupt government including ours.

I would however fight for my life and beside my fellow Americans to repel a foreign invasion here.

 

[M8541Reaper]

Absolutely ZERO reason to have women in a combat MOS unless they can achieve the same PT standards as a man. It's not like there's a shortage of men or something.

When people start shooting at you, no one gives a shit if you passed some lower grade of standards or not. So why is it acceptable?

Same goes for age. Make it one standard across the board. No gender. No age.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

It's my belief that we need a great majority of military age citizens both trained and experienced in the needs of National Defense, ready and willing for callup on short notice. As much as we need it for practical military purposes, we need it more for existential moral and patriotic reasons. Heinlein had it right.

Can you imagine Israel abolishing universal military service? Now you're on the real subject.

Forget about the Swiss, they forgot about their own most vital interests and got into lockstep with the Socialist EU.

The Israelis have already saved their own bacon because they did this right. I don't care whether they eat the stuff, but I like the way they keep theirs safe.

We can find no better lesson on the subject.

The Israelis get it.

Here in our country, the great majority of people believe that they rightfully have no personal stake in their own National Defense.

They're morons, and this Nation has invested billions in an education system that makes them so, and keeps them so.

Now, do any of us understand why Putin smirks so much? He's far from alone, either...

Greg

 

[W54/XM-388]

Israel uses their military primarily for actual defense of the homeland against local enemies who actually want to totally destroy them, and doesn't go sending it out en masse all over the world for political purposes and corporate profit like we do.
Israel was also not founded like America on people wanting to go find freedom, but by people who had barely escaped most of the world wanting to genocide them (and doing a pretty near job of it), their only hope for survival seemed to be to find a county to make their own and make a stand to fight and kill anyone that tried to take it from them.

Israel is very different from us, they have been a country for only about 70 years or so and are a small population surrounded & infiltrated by a very large hostile population that wishes to destroy them. They simply do not have the manpower or funds to maintain a large enough dedicated standing army to take on the Arab world next time the Arabs want to try their hand at genociding the Jews, without everybody being trained to fight if needed and the only way to get that is to force the training on the youth.
Israel also takes immigration control very seriously and doesn't do the whole refugee thing or folks pouring in illegally.
The danger they face is real and current, we here in the USA don't and never should have to (although the politicians are trying their best) worry about if foreign fighters are sneaking across our border to raid towns and kill people or if enemy states are firing missiles at our population centers.

Israel also does not have all the same freedoms that Americans have and take for granted. Despite what it looks like, they don't have a "second amendment" and civilian weapon ownership outside of military service is very tightly licensed and regulated.

Because of the 2nd amendment, America has probably the largest reserve pool of well equipped (if untrained) civilian defense forces of anyone in the world which could be rapidly called on if there was actually to be an invasion at any point (which would only be possible because of traitors in the government). People willingly and without coercion stockpile vast amounts of weapons and ammunition & some even train or practice using them.

America is very different, we have one of the most powerful economies in the world and way more people than most and we have a big enough surplus to have a standing competitive all volunteer army sitting around of anywhere from half a million to a million people... and that is also why the politicians feel free to go do wars all over the world for profit and backroom deals.

Heinlein had 2 main things on a society with government service.

The most famous one was a society where in order to vote you had to COMPLETE a term of civic service which could be military or any other civic service as was needed. But crucially the soldiers and army as well as those in the civic service did NOT get to vote till they had completed their service and been discharged. You also had to have completed your service to be in politics. You still were not forced to serve, you could choose not to and there was no problem and you could do as you wished, you simply could not vote or be in politics.

The second more obscure one was a more interesting practical idea where the politicians and corporate interests did not have the power to declare war. Only a full public vote of those actually eligible to serve could declare war and it was simple and practical. You got a card with half to drop in the ballot box and half to keep, your name was on it & you had 3 choices. Yes let's have the war, No let's not have the war, and I don't want to pick.

If the vote was in favor of the war then all those that voted Yes were required to report to the local enlistment office as printed on their part of the card, then if more men were needed, those that didn't want to vote were next required to enlist, and then finally if still more were required, lastly those that voted no were required to be dragged into it.

Now I could write a book on how forced draft/public service is anathema to freedom and how it has always and will be used to the detriment of the good people, how immoral it is, but most either already understand that or don't actually want to listen, so perhaps we move on to the more positive ideas:

Doing some kind of public service or military service is a good option and we could make it a lot more common on a voluntary basis.

How about instead of this whole government run student loan mess, we instead say the tuition rates for colleges are set by the government and if you do a certain term of public or military service the government will pay the 4 year tuition rate as set by the government for colleges and you don't have to worry any more about how to pay.

You could even extend it to all those upset at the crushing load of student debt they are under... sign up and complete an agreed term of public / military service, and your student loan debt is paid.

Then more importantly discontinue all this government benefits and assistance to the FSA types and don't let the politicians buy votes by giving away other people's money.

 

[Aries256]

Exactly this.
Mandatory national service (despite how cool it sounds to those not under the heel of such rule) pretty much means you are a fascist or communist dictatorial state.

If you don't have freedom over your own lives and your children don't have that freedom either then you don't have freedom, just an illusion of "privileges".

When the WWII draft was going on, it was no secret that the government threatened unions and many others that if you say anything we don't like or do anything not as we tell you, then we'll just round you up at gun point and send you off to get killed.

I find it interesting how many "freedom" types are all bold and vocal about freedom till it comes to things like actually being free to do as you wish for your own life or being free to make your own medical choices for you and your family.

Freedom to own a gun doesn't mean a whole lot if you are "free" to own it only as long as you let the government tell you exactly what you can do and when you can do it.

Well that’s where we are. You have to get govnt permission to carry. When one shouldnt need to. That s just concealed, some places you cant carry open or youre treated like a felon. Have to have govnt permission to even own in many places, have to have govnt permission on top of stupid regulations to have this or that, have to store, or transport said freedom of defense in accordance to govnt permission. So where is the freedom? Where is the right? Now the govnt wants to say how much soda you can drink, if you want to smoke? Nope you have to pay extra for that, want to vape. Nope because parents have no control over their sprogs, and actual parenting is well pretty much illegal. The rest of us have to conform apparently to others idiocy to “protect the pansy children”.right or left both are guilty of infringing on freedom. Look at the idiotic right even. Oh if youre gay you cant get married because my fiction has some pathetic issue with it. Which is harms no one. Both extremes left or right are a detriment to freedom. Which is no different than if I want to carry on my hip a .357 mag open, oh but you cant because that might offend some pansy fuck on the left, even though its fucking damn well my right to. Both sides are anti-freedom, and unAmerican. The US has gone too big on govnt and it needs to shrink fast.

 

[Downtown]

https://warriorlodge.com/blogs/news/16298760-a-french-soldiers-view-of-us-soldiers-in-afghanistan. This was very interesting to read and made me very proud of our soldiers. Would this be the case with armed forces that were not volunteer? I don't know.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

My platoon of Marine Recruits in 1966 was composed of about 2/3 draftees. We exceeded training requirements, won the Training Company Drill Comp, and each of our three Drill Instructors were promoted following our graduation. I received the Rank of PFC on graduation along with two others, one of which was another draftee. We were Gung Ho Marines, and proud of it.

I have no idea how this compares to today's Corps or any other US branch of Service.

As for Vietnam, our standard reply is "We were winning when I left".

In answer to many proposals above, I suggest a reading of The War Powers Act of 1973.

The Citizen Soldier...

“A people may…shamefully suffer the sword to rust in its scabbard, when it ought to be employed in defending their liberty…. A safer way…is to have the power of defense in the body of the people, to have a well-regulated and well-disciplined militia. This is placing the sword in hands that will not be likely to betray their trust, and who will have the strongest motives to act their part well, in defense of their country, whenever they shall be called for.” Massachusetts Reverend Simeon Howard - 1773

Today we have an entire generation clamoring to tear down this Nation's structure, without even the first notion of how this grand experiment, the USA, ever even came to be. That is the true nature of the disgusting pollution riddling our national education system. It is no accident, and those responsible are this nation's truest traitors.

Greg

 

[deersniper]

Yeah. Just draft the leftist women.

Leave my women alone

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

I'm all for two year of selective service with vastly increased oversight of military spending and initiatives, both sexes, placed according to physical and mental aptitude. However, I would want exemptions from combat situations for the offspring of military members who have served in combat themselves. I do not believe that forcing your children into battle is an acceptable reward for such service, yet national defense is the obligation of every single American as an individual.

Edit for cutoff: But I would never push such a thing in reality. I have my opinion on the matter, but reconciling that with the reality of my stance on pretty much anything in regard to not forcing my countrymen into service under any flag is not possible.

 

[wade2big]

I'm all for two year of selective service with vastly increased oversight of military spending and initiatives, both sexes, placed according to physical and mental aptitude. However, I would want exemptions from combat situations for the offspring of military members who have served in combat themselves. I do not believe that forcing your children into battle is an acceptable reward for such service, yet national defense is the obligation of every single American as an individual.

Edit for cutoff: But I would never push such a thing in reality. I have my opinion on the matter, but reconciling that with the reality of my stance on pretty much anything in regard to not forcing my countrymen into service under any flag is not possible.

I couldn’t disagree more.

i just seen your edit.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

So you're going to make it a law, which would be enforced at gunpoint, that two years worth of labor from every citizen is required?

I can dig it's not black and white, but you can count me the fuck out of that shit.

 

[wade2big]

So you're going to make it a law, which would be enforced at gunpoint, that two years worth of labor from every citizen is required?

I can dig it's not black and white, but you can count me the fuck out of that shit.

Thats what it looks like you want according to your post.

i made my stance clear earlier. I would never serve in the military. I would defend the homeland if the USA was invaded. As far as drafting goes, i am completely against it especially when it comes to females. i would fight to the death against anyone who tried to force my daughter to go.

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

What I want and what I am morally inclined to take are two different things in my mind.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Everyone wants perfection and everyone has a different pet plan for defining that perfection.

Wake up people; this is the government, which did a damned fine job of fitting square pegs into round holes last time I was near hostile gunsmoke.

In order to make the omelette; one must first steal two eggs, and then break them.

So the government stole two years of my life, and that's the objection?

I'd rather thought there'd be some sort of quibble about sticking me out front on a two-way range on the far side of our planet, at very least.

Glad we've all got our priorities so right.

Those who had such priorities headed for Canada back then. Still not such a bad choice if that precious personal two years holds more priority than individual freedoms for all in this Nation.

Well, bye.

Greg

 

[clcustom1911]

Israel uses their military primarily for actual defense of the homeland against local enemies who actually want to totally destroy them, and doesn't go sending it out en masse all over the world for political purposes and corporate profit like we do.
Israel was also not founded like America on people wanting to go find freedom, but by people who had barely escaped most of the world wanting to genocide them (and doing a pretty near job of it), their only hope for survival seemed to be to find a county to make their own and make a stand to fight and kill anyone that tried to take it from them.

Israel is very different from us, they have been a country for only about 70 years or so and are a small population surrounded & infiltrated by a very large hostile population that wishes to destroy them. They simply do not have the manpower or funds to maintain a large enough dedicated standing army to take on the Arab world next time the Arabs want to try their hand at genociding the Jews, without everybody being trained to fight if needed and the only way to get that is to force the training on the youth.
Israel also takes immigration control very seriously and doesn't do the whole refugee thing or folks pouring in illegally.
The danger they face is real and current, we here in the USA don't and never should have to (although the politicians are trying their best) worry about if foreign fighters are sneaking across our border to raid towns and kill people or if enemy states are firing missiles at our population centers.

Israel also does not have all the same freedoms that Americans have and take for granted. Despite what it looks like, they don't have a "second amendment" and civilian weapon ownership outside of military service is very tightly licensed and regulated.

Because of the 2nd amendment, America has probably the largest reserve pool of well equipped (if untrained) civilian defense forces of anyone in the world which could be rapidly called on if there was actually to be an invasion at any point (which would only be possible because of traitors in the government). People willingly and without coercion stockpile vast amounts of weapons and ammunition & some even train or practice using them.

America is very different, we have one of the most powerful economies in the world and way more people than most and we have a big enough surplus to have a standing competitive all volunteer army sitting around of anywhere from half a million to a million people... and that is also why the politicians feel free to go do wars all over the world for profit and backroom deals.

Heinlein had 2 main things on a society with government service.

The most famous one was a society where in order to vote you had to COMPLETE a term of civic service which could be military or any other civic service as was needed. But crucially the soldiers and army as well as those in the civic service did NOT get to vote till they had completed their service and been discharged. You also had to have completed your service to be in politics. You still were not forced to serve, you could choose not to and there was no problem and you could do as you wished, you simply could not vote or be in politics.

The second more obscure one was a more interesting practical idea where the politicians and corporate interests did not have the power to declare war. Only a full public vote of those actually eligible to serve could declare war and it was simple and practical. You got a card with half to drop in the ballot box and half to keep, your name was on it & you had 3 choices. Yes let's have the war, No let's not have the war, and I don't want to pick.

If the vote was in favor of the war then all those that voted Yes were required to report to the local enlistment office as printed on their part of the card, then if more men were needed, those that didn't want to vote were next required to enlist, and then finally if still more were required, lastly those that voted no were required to be dragged into it.

Now I could write a book on how forced draft/public service is anathema to freedom and how it has always and will be used to the detriment of the good people, how immoral it is, but most either already understand that or don't actually want to listen, so perhaps we move on to the more positive ideas:

Doing some kind of public service or military service is a good option and we could make it a lot more common on a voluntary basis.

How about instead of this whole government run student loan mess, we instead say the tuition rates for colleges are set by the government and if you do a certain term of public or military service the government will pay the 4 year tuition rate as set by the government for colleges and you don't have to worry any more about how to pay.

You could even extend it to all those upset at the crushing load of student debt they are under... sign up and complete an agreed term of public / military service, and your student loan debt is paid.

Then more importantly discontinue all this government benefits and assistance to the FSA types and don't let the politicians buy votes by giving away other people's money.

BOOOOOOOOM. I love it. Well said.

 

[Nacho0077]

Considering an 82 year old grandma gave a warm welcome to an intruder it would be hard to argue she wouldn’t be a great asset in support of combat/near/or in the mix.

 

[Longshot231]

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals is going to here arguments today about the case that was brought before a Texas based Federal Judge last year.

https://www.military.com/daily-news...rs-whether-men-only-draft-constitutional.html

If they really want equality then they ought to face the draft like the men. I want to see them get their heads shaved and be held to the same PT standards that I had to comply with.

 

[wade2big]

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals is going to here arguments today about the case that was brought before a Texas based Federal Judge last year.

https://www.military.com/daily-news...rs-whether-men-only-draft-constitutional.html

If they really want equality then they ought to face the draft like the men. I want to see them get their heads shaved and be held to the same PT standards that I had to comply with.

Do you have daughters? Doesn’t sound like it. If the government tried to draft my daughter, people would die.

 

[EddieNFL]

Do you have daughters? Doesn’t sound like it. If the government tried to draft my daughter, people would die.

Okay! Okay! Calm down. We won't draft anyone's daughter. All other girls will have to register.

 

[EddieNFL]

Name that movie:

Chubby Galasso : I don't blame you. When I was your age, I was knockin' 'em off left and right; but I never did it with nobody's daughter. You should have given her an ankle bracelet and stuck to jerkin' off!

 

[wade2big]

Okay! Okay! Calm down. We won't draft anyone's daughter. All other girls will have to register.

Maybe my words were too strong and I should have said “hell to pay”. ?

I got a little riled up but all that is behind now considering you won’t be drafting sisters, daughters, or anyone’s mother. ?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Do you have daughters? Doesn’t sound like it. If the government tried to draft my daughter, people would die.

Maybe my words were too strong and I should have said “hell to pay”. ?

I got a little riled up but all that is behind now considering you won’t be drafting sisters, daughters, or anyone’s mother. ?

But you wouldn't get riled up about them doing that to your son?

Somehow females should get to enjoy freedom and everybody is good with males being made slaves by the government?

 

[deersniper]

They want equal they should be drafted for safe positions like nurses and supply support

But in reality we know they only want equal when it benefits them. Justin like all the other minority/victim groups

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Joe Haldeman wrote The Forever War, in which the phenomenon of time dilation was employed to contrast changing times, but in overdrive.

His commentary on women on the front lines was something to the effect that finally, the guy troopers up front had a chance to see what they were fighting for. Somewhat flippant, it still had an appeal.

He also dealt with the effeminate in uniform. I think he spoke on it but ducked the question.

I recently reread his entire set of his available books this past Summer after a six-decade hiatus on Haldeman. I had originally read them when they came out around 1970. The current context gives much of the work some completely different slants on the original viewpoints; despite which the questions are all still quite valid, and the theories inherent still come across as holding water.

I was especially surprised to see that we shared a highly common background, Engineers in combat in '67 'Nam. Reading that was a tad eerie.

If you haven't read them, I'd suggest it. The contrast between the prediction and the fruition is pretty enlightening.

Nothing ever comes out as expected. That's the core message of science fiction, and the part that helps keep me on this side of our blowing dust; holding on to see how it all turns out.

IMHO, one can be a protected class, or they can buckle down in the muck with the rest.

Propaganda.

Greg

 

[Bigfatcock]

Hopefully they are DTF.

 

[Ken Burton]

While I was mining, I decided to go into the elec. dept. I was there for a short period when some of the guys I knew were telling me about the supt. being in the marines and when he got orders for VN went to Canada.
The next day I went to him and told him I was going back mining as I had no respect for him going to Canada to avoid going to Nam, with that I was back mining the next day never regretted that and would do the same again.
If you don't stand for something you might as well not stand at all.
GOD BLESS THIS GREAT CONTRY and I'd go to war anytime I would be asked even now after the shit that happened to my brothers in arms in Nam.

 

[deersniper]

While I was mining, I decided to go into the elec. dept. I was there for a short period when some of the guys I knew were telling me about the supt. being in the marines and when he got orders for VN went to Canada.
The next day I went to him and told him I was going back mining as I had no respect for him going to Canada to avoid going to Nam, with that I was back mining the next day never regretted that and would do the same again.
If you don't stand for something you might as well not stand at all.
GOD BLESS THIS GREAT CONTRY and I'd go to war anytime I would be asked even now after the shit that happened to my brothers in arms in Nam.

Really? Go to war with communists like obama/burnie/Soros/Bloomberg being the commander?
And mil contractors making sure the roe is restrictive to drag wars out and keep the money flowing and our guys getting wounded and dead?

This ain’t the same country as the 70s. Today’s republicans are the 70s democrats and today’s democrats are the 70s commies.

 

[Snuby642]

Many non combat roles could be filled and with the option of roles closer to the shit if they want that equality.

A lot of roles take too much training to waste on a pregnancy cancellation to commitment. Not sure how to handle that.

 

[deersniper]

Many non combat roles could be filled and with the option of roles closer to the shit if they want that equality.

A lot of roles take too much training to waste on a pregnancy cancellation to commitment. Not sure how to handle that.

Birth control administered daily by a person above them in rank.

This should have been done as soon as .mil was forced to accept women.

Don’t men face repercussions for making choices that make them combat ineffective?

 

[clcustom1911]

They want equal they should be drafted for safe positions like nurses and supply support

But in reality we know they only want equal when it benefits them. Justin like all the other minority/victim groups

Women only want equality when it comes to the good things in life.... board rooms, management, etc, etc...

You dont see feminazi's protesting for equality in waste management, oil fields, septic tank maintenance, road maintenance, etc, etc.

I want equality in the court room where I've been fucked dry twice because women somehow deserved all the savings accounts, and most of the assets. I was lucky to leave with my truck, clothes, books, and guns.

 

[Ken Burton]

yep, while with the ROK in Nam, I was training with them doing Tae kwon do and sprained both wrists and Lt. told me to stop training or I'd get an artical15 for destroying gov. property.LOL
Just shows rules, laws and facts are just for certain groups

 

[Rthur]

Let's start closer to home.
I can't take any of the feminists seriously until alimony is gone.

R

 

[W54/XM-388]

Hopefully what comes out of this is that they completely do away with the entire business of the "selective service" or draft and once and for all rule it to be unconstitutional and anathema to the basic principles and ideas of individual freedom and liberty.

(Which I understand puts me at odds with the group that believes what the government wants overrides your individual liberty so long as the government claims it's good for the public).

 

[Ken Burton]

If all spent time in service to this country I believe you'd have more people taking pride in it and wouldn't let people burn, stomp and degrade the flag and country they way they do now.
Piss on all who won't stand up for our Red, White and Blue. People from all over this world come here and fly their countries flags but resent us for protecting and respecting ours, they should be sent right back from where they came from with not a minute to spare.

 

[Rthur]

If all spent time in service to this country I believe you'd have more people taking pride in it and wouldn't let people burn, stomp and degrade the flag and country they way they do now.
Piss on all who won't stand up for our Red, White and Blue. People from all over this world come here and fly their countries flags but resent us for protecting and respecting ours, they should be sent right back from where they came from with not a minute to spare.

Easy argument to crush.
If it is so great why are you here?

R

 

[Foul Mike]

I was a draftee, I went, I served along with many others.
It was before the Lotto Game and was very unfair.
Draft Boards could draft you if they thought you were just a pain in their ass.
Drafted 28 March 68, I remember it well.

 

[W54/XM-388]

If all spent time in service to this country I believe you'd have more people taking pride in it and wouldn't let people burn, stomp and degrade the flag and country they way they do now.

Wishful thinking, if only we gave ALL our freedoms to the government then people would do what I wanted.
That's what's gotten us into the problems we are in, and where the government is about to just take off the mask and say, yep we own you, do as we say or else.

Hint, many other countries (including western ones) have forced national service, and guess what, it only makes things worse for both the military as a whole as well as generally making everyone dislike the idea of the military as some terrible thing rather than something that you choose willingly to do as a profession.

 

[Ken Burton]

Rthur, wasn't meant to piss you off seeing as you'd rather pitch shit than realize that spending time in service can make or brake a person, but it is good for all to go through the being the little guy at some point in their lives.
You may not think that's right but then giving the younger people whatever they want without putting anything into it hasn't done one thing to help this country.
To much PC, poo-ppo poor little babies and all that shit, grow up.
Ask anyone if they really wanted contact with Agent Orange and ask about how long we have to worry about that becoming a problem at some point in time for those who spent time in Nam.

 

[Rthur]

Rthur, wasn't meant to piss you off seeing as you'd rather pitch shit than realize that spending time in service can make or brake a person, but it is good for all to go through the being the little guy at some point in their lives.
You may not think that's right but then giving the younger people whatever they want without putting anything into it hasn't done one thing to help this country.
To much PC, poo-ppo poor little babies and all that shit, grow up.
Ask anyone if they really wanted contact with Agent Orange and ask about how long we have to worry about that becoming a problem at some point in time for those who spent time in Nam.

You are arguing with someone that agrees with you.
I'll break it down.
The above was a question for those bearing another flag while here.

R

 

[wade2big]

But you wouldn't get riled up about them doing that to your son?

Somehow females should get to enjoy freedom and everybody is good with males being made slaves by the government?

Absolutely would and would probably react similar as I am against the draft. I am more against it everyday as my eyes are opened more and more to the corruption at the top in this country.

Don’t tell me you believe genders are the same. They are not regardless of this feminist movement which is designed to destroy social and cultural norms, the family unit, and nothing more. It isn’t about equality. Its brainwashing in order to control.

I live in a small rural town and believe to this day that there are gender roles and all the women in my life agree. This feminist crap isn’t everywhere thank goodness. The women here don’t have the feminist (communist) mindset either.

My views have nothing to do with equality. I cherish my sister, mother, and daughter and would sacrifice for them. I do believe if women choose to go to war then they should have that right.

I promise you my friend. My daughter will not go to war unless the war comes here. I would have to be killed off for that to happen. PERIOD.

 

[Ken Burton]

I think that women have their place and I'm not meaning just in the house but I've said for years that women shouldn't be in a position where they have to go against a man in any kind of situation you can put them in the average women just won't measure up, not saying they're lesser but just saying strength and power would put them in a bad way and the outcome would not be in their favor.
Besides that because of all the PC Bullsh*t I think some actually think they can

 

[Snuby642]

Well that does it time for a full on rant.
Was holding back but got board sitting on the sideline.

A lot of you know about the military and some about war and then there is the ones that should sit on the sideline.

I have vowed an oath more than once to uphold the Constitution and protect the office of the president.

And an ardent supporter of the USA.

Cold war military service 1977-1982.
Free choice on my part, nam / selective service had just ended.

My opinion is there should be national service time before being allowed into college of any kind and not matter who pays for it.

National service and Military service should be seperate and military service should get preferences and better pay.

You don't get preference for sitting in mom's basement and working 5 days a week.

Kid's these days need taught and school and there parents are in general not cutting the grade.