Thinking I need a Battle Belt

[TheGerman]

Now go run 50m a few times and do a back-flip onto your couch wearing it.

I'd really look into a positive retention holster, especially with a cockd and locked single action. Doesn't have to have a shroud, but I would never trust a simple tension grip holster on a gun that wasn't just for something like sitting around doing security. The leg strap definitely helps deter muzzle flip when drawing. I'd cut down to 1 pistol reload and either save the weight or add a rifle mag if you think you don't have enough rounds; always keep the rifle fed over the pistol. If you haven't already, check to make sure that when getting down prone, the rifle/pistol mags can be accessed and aern't literally up against your hip bone.

You'll also notice that the more stuff(and larger) you have on the mid back area will cause the belt to not want to curve; additionally, crouching or trying to sit/lean on terrain while shooting will be interesting.

 

[Mike 556]

Okay an update...

My holster arrived today.

Garret industries had a sale just before Christmas with 20% off their stuff.

At the time I ordered, the best they had for mounting for my needs was a drop attachment with duty offset creating a mid ride.......

View attachment 6998417

It actually works pretty well getting the grip of the pistol below the top of the belt and with enough offset I can get a grip from the holster.

I just saw Garret now has an adapter for Safariland and GCode systems so this holster can (and will be) eventually set up using one of those attachment designs.

With the gear layed flat it looks like the FA kit covers the grip but once on a round body everything has some separation, its not so congested - but neither is there real estate for more unless I eat more burgers and pizza.

Still thats a lot of belt crap. The water bottle likely will come off for rifle play but is handy should i be just hiking in the woods. Ill probably move the fat tourniquet on the pistol side of the FA kit and swap its position with the not so fat bandage on the water bottle side. I have suspenders for when I want this shit to hang from the shoulders rather than ride my hips.

So this is the strap it on, take it off, version for gear carry, probably wont be wearing any sort of gear above the belt on my torso if I choose to wear this. You cant be too active with this I can tell it will quickly rotate with any real activity and Ill have the pistol covering my balls pretty quick. Would likely be the less "scary" choice for my upcoming class as it is what the Sig academy recommends and sells in their pro shop.

Im intending on following @TheGerman 's suggestion of the inner velcro belt outer molle belt for when I intend to use a plate carrier. that option will be stripped down and likely be one pistol/rifle mag only.

Good looking belt, really like the FDE 1911. Grips look aggressive, VZ?

 

[pmclaine]

Now go run 50m a few times and do a back-flip onto your couch wearing it.

There you go bringing all your German sensibility into my desire to have Batmans belt.

Yep I'll be getting a belt/belt setup for those time when I might be a little active or I'm couple with something else that carries the bulk of the gear.

There is no having just one of anything.

 

[Eustice]

In addition to running around and laying prone with it, go sit in your car and try to drive around.

 

[pmclaine]

Ive excercised "The German Option".....

Product ID: 50725
Product Name: #50725 LAB Shooters Belt System
Quantity: 1
Unit Price: $59.25
> System Color : Coyote
> Belt Size : MED $59.25 (32-34)
> Belt Style : COBRA w/D-Ring (+$5.12)
> Rifle Pouch : None
> Pistol Pouch : None
> GP Pouch : None
> Dump Pouch : None
> IFAK Insert : None
> IFAK Patch : None
> Lanyard : None
> Glove Hook : None
> Panel Qty : 8 (+$63.04)
> 40MM Holder : None
> Shell Holder : None
> Tourniquet Pouch : None
> New IFAK Pouch : None
--------------------------
Order Total : $127.41


Got an overtime, was bored, did too much thinking. AWS, GCode and Garret Industries all experienced my love.

If nothing else Ill be able to equip another Patriot when the Revolution kicks off.

Fucker better have his/her own ammo though.

 

[Srikaleak]

I'd love to see the final pic of it kitted out whenever you get the chance.

 

[pmclaine]

I'd love to see the final pic of it kitted out whenever you get the chance.

Post #49 is option A.

Option A would likely be the chosen path if I have to wear gear over something.

Option B is for tight belt to belt loop wear and perhaps when less gear is needed on the belt because I have it stored in another way - chest rig, plate carrier, assault vest.

If you are interested in this type of kit stand by a year and when I find Im not using it in my classes I want to attend it will be in the PX.

 

[Eustice]

Post #49 is option A.

Option A would likely be the chosen path if I have to wear gear over something.

Option B is for tight belt to belt loop wear and perhaps when less gear is needed on the belt because I have it stored in another way - chest rig, plate carrier, assault vest.

If you are interested in this type of kit stand by a year and when I find Im not using it in my classes I want to attend it will be in the PX.

That’s pretty funny.

I thought maybe I was the only person who did this. Had it in my mind to get something, researched the crap out of it, looked at a million pictures, and obsessed over how I needed it soon in case whatever happened. I finally get it and cross it off my list of much needed gear. Then wear it around and play with it a ton. Then in a year or two I’m selling off because I’m tired of tripping over it.

I got rid of my battle belt. I only used it for competitions and kept it set up in case my home was assaulted by a 12 man team. But then I realized it was heavy and cumbersome and I sleep to hard to hear anyone breaching my door in the middle of the night.

For comps I have a spare mag in a single mag holder. Much easier, much cooler.

For the apocalypse I’ll use a plate carrier and a backpack. I don’t think I’d be assaulting at that point anyway. Seems like it would be long range or escape and evasion at that point.

 

[Nik H]

Picture....

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As an aside this is my plate carrier.....
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I havent set it up for rifle as work hasnt issued one yet, that comes in January.

I carry three extra pistol mags and one rifle mag for when someone doesnt need their rifle anymore and I would rather use theirs.

I would put the triple shingle on the carrier but Im not sure if I will wear the gear full time in my class if Im in there with more home owner types looking to get a basic defensive rifle class.

What kind of plate carrier?

 

[AIAW]

I have a few items of the HSGI stuff along with LBT. I do like the LBT split-front chest rig the most. There isn't anything falling out of this, splits easily for proning out obviously.

Or you could go full-retard ceramic level IV (this was more of a joke pic than anything). Ammo for the whole damn squad right there

There are two Glock 17's hidden somewhere up in there.

 

[pmclaine]

What kind of plate carrier?

LBT.

Thats London Bridge Trading for anyone that has a hard time with BOR.

Bought it when they had one of their sales.

You can get some good gear at much less than their standard catalog price if you sign up for their emails and wait for a sale.

 

[pmclaine]

There are two Glock 17's hidden somewhere up in there.

That was easy......

 

[AIAW]

LOL! No, no, no... That's the road flare and revolver that I had in the prison purse!

 

[pmclaine]

LOL! No, no, no... That's the road flare and revolver that I had in the prison purse!

Digging your vulva by the way.......












After posting this wonder how many of you are going back now to check it out....

 

[AIAW]

Digging your vulva by the way.......

Thank you! Huge worn out snatch isn't it? Didn't know what I was identifying as that day I guess.

 

[Srikaleak]

My simple setup. IFAK will probably go in my bag. Plan on adding a concealable plate carrier and that's it.

 

[TheGerman]

I have a few items of the HSGI stuff along with LBT. I do like the LBT split-front chest rig the most. There isn't anything falling out of this, splits easily for proning out obviously.

View attachment 7020009

Or you could go full-retard ceramic level IV (this was more of a joke pic than anything). Ammo for the whole damn squad right there

There are two Glock 17's hidden somewhere up in there.

View attachment 7020010

 

[Raptor005]

Does anyone have experience with Red Frog Team? They have what seems like a good option for a gun belt, such as the Ronin.

https://www.redfrogteam.com/products/battle-belt-3-piece-system?variant=11792209707123

 

[pmclaine]

Does anyone have experience with Red Frog Team? They have what seems like a good option for a gun belt, such as the Ronin.

https://www.redfrogteam.com/products/battle-belt-3-piece-system?variant=11792209707123

Thing I liked about the AWS belt vs this type belt and the Ronin is that the gear panels are seperate from the belt.

Im not limited to the loop pattern sewn into the belt by the manufacturer I can mount the gear panel exactly where I want it.

Time will tell if that will be a secure mounting. The way AWS designs it the panels are secured with velcro twice and by being sandwiched between two belts. It should be secure.

 

[Tim_WNC]

For anyone in Upstate SC, the Palmetto State Armory in Greenville has a bin full of marked down battle belts (2/12/19). I saw HSGI, safariland, and others in the mix. I saw stuff raged at $160 marked down to $90. New, stuff not obviously used.

 

[Raptor005]

Thing I liked about the AWS belt vs this type belt and the Ronin is that the gear panels are seperate from the belt.

Im not limited to the loop pattern sewn into the belt by the manufacturer I can mount the gear panel exactly where I want it.

Time will tell if that will be a secure mounting. The way AWS designs it the panels are secured with velcro twice and by being sandwiched between two belts. It should be secure.

I'll have to checkout the AWS belt. Thanks.

For anyone in Upstate SC, the Palmetto State Armory in Greenville has a bin full of marked down battle belts (2/12/19). I saw HSGI, safariland, and others in the mix. I saw stuff raged at $160 marked down to $90. New, stuff not obviously used.

I just moved from Charleston to Northern VA, damn.

 

[pmclaine]

I'll have to checkout the AWS belt. Thanks.

https://www.awsin.com/products.asp?id=164

They catch you with the cheap price on the belt but than when you add in the typical number of panels you may want to have the cost to purchase adds up quick making it same, same as other options.

Add in that I also bought a GCode inner belt of a more standard 1.5 inches so that I can use this with typical belt loops not just MOD 2 inch plus belt loops.

Still though I think the opportunity to move that mag pouch or holster that 1/8 inch I want to rather than be restricted to the molle pattern will be a good fit (no pun intended).

 

[Dev L]

I think that there are many misconceptions about micro warbelts belts on here. I have Ronin, AWS, and Volund micro warbelts. They are NOT similar to full sized or compact padded sleeve type warbelts. They dont skide around or rise up or shift.

They are not like police duty belts. I have duty belts that are traditional requiring a buckle and keepers, hybrid duty belts that use keepsers and velcro, and full velcro police duty belts, in both nylon and leather. Micro warbelts are not bulky, uncomfortable, or heavy like a police duty belt.

My favorite belt is currently the Ronin. It is light because I have purposely chosen light gear to add to it. Although I have mine fully loaded, with every spot filled with gear, I can comfortably wear it all day, move in it, drive in it, etc.

 

[wyld3man]

I will agree with what some have said on here, battle belts had their time but they do suck compared to the newer belts with the Velcro (hook) inner belt and the outer belt with the pile portion on the inside. There are a handful of companies making them now, Ronin and G Code, as previously mentioned. I run the G Code but all my buddies use the Ronin. Both are equally as good, and have been used for awhile in the worlds shitholes.

 

[pmclaine]

When I want a battle belt

When I want an assault belt

Thats kind of how I reasoned it out.

 

[Fongman]

My favorite belt is currently the Ronin. It is light because I have purposely chosen light gear to add to it. Although I have mine fully loaded, with every spot filled with gear, I can comfortably wear it all day, move in it, drive in it, etc.

Was unaware of a micro belt setup and have been studying the Ronin system. Was looking at their site and pics and saw this pic:

I like the way the holster is kinda low ride without the need of a leg strap. Helps remove interference with a plate carrier. Any idea of the make of this holster? Or something similar of high quality. Would like to add something similar to a Ronin belt system.
Thanks in advance.

 

[pmclaine]

Checkout the GCode drop attachments.

I bought their optimal drop pistol platform and have an adaptor to use with my Garret Industries Holster.

When I have it in hane Ill be able to confirm amount of drop but from the looks of it should be similar to your photo.

https://www.tacticalholsters.com/product/gca200-rti-optimal-drop-pistol-platform/

GCode, Safariland others make holsters to fit to this.

 

[bluegrasspicker]

I switched to the optimal drop when I started using the G17L for competition. It was just silly to draw a G17L with a belt-height holster. My hand was up in the armpit.

I'll keep using it even if I switch back to the G19. For me it's the perfect balance, and it doesn't flop around when running.

 

[TheGerman]

Was unaware of a micro belt setup and have been studying the Ronin system. Was looking at their site and pics and saw this pic:

View attachment 7026511

I like the way the holster is kinda low ride without the need of a leg strap. Helps remove interference with a plate carrier. Any idea of the make of this holster? Or something similar of high quality. Would like to add something similar to a Ronin belt system.
Thanks in advance.

Safariland

The best combination for a holster setup is a Safariland holster and a GCode duty mount. You can get the Safariland/GCode adapter and they will fit together and be much better than the Safariland mount which is entirely too thick.

I use a AWS outer belt (without any of the extra shit on it) with a SnakeEater inner hypalon pants belt. The AWS has my GCode duty mount on it which allows me to add the sidearm if I need it or not wear an outer belt at all and just keep the hypalon belt on my pants as a pants belt. Additionally, any sidearm I have, I have a Safariland holster for with the GCode hardware so I can switch holsters to another sidearm in a few seconds.

You don't need a modular belt for any of this, and its actually a hindrance.

https://www.snakeeatertactical.com/product/hypalon-liner-belt/

https://awsin.com/products.asp?id=164

https://www.tacticalholsters.com/product/gca200-rti-optimal-drop-pistol-platform/

https://www.tacticalholsters.com/product/gca39-universal-rti-hanger/

eta because I just can't help it: Not sure who that is in the pics, but the 2 guys the furthest back need someone to fix their stance. One guy is flat footed and his center is way off; I bet he bobs up and down when he shoots. The guy furthest backs NPOA with his sight is probably a foot to the right of the target. Both are leaned way too forward as well. When squaring on a target, you aim with your crotch and adjust your stance (center of gravity) with your legs/hips while keeping your crotch pointed at the target.

 

[Eustice]

That holster on the pic a few looks like a Safariland 6354DO. It’s a holster made for a pistol with a light and a rds. There are a few other models that vary a little but I think that’s a 6354DO.

You can put a QLS 19 Fork on the holster and a QLS 22 or QLS 22L (locking) receiver plate on your belt mount of choice. I have one in a mid-ride belt mount and it drops it about that far.

The QLS allows you to put a fork on the holster and then put multiple receiver plates where you want them. For example, have the belt attachment but also one on your plate carrier. You can put the holster on your belt but if you’re going to be sitting in a vehicle (or sitting in general) you can easily remove the entire holster and pistol as one and move it to your plate carrier.

I haven’t read a whole lot about the QLS breaking. Perhaps I haven’t looked enough. I have read plenty about the G-Code RTI wheels breaking. Something to look up when making your decision.

 

[pmclaine]

View attachment 7026511

Are those Ranger BN identifiers on the backs of the helmets? Do they still do that?

 

[Eustice]

https://holsterops.com/products/saf...lock-17-22-w-light-rmr-on-qls-19-holster-fork

Here is the Safariland holster. You can get it for a G19, G17, or G34. If you’re using a threaded barrel get the next size up and a plug kit.

No affiliation with them, but I have one and like it.

 

[Fongman]

Great info. Thanks for the help and links.

 

[pmclaine]

Where I currently sit gear wise.....

Got another G Code RTI Holster adapter in route and a Safariland ALS Holster coming.

My first class is early May.

If weather requires cold weather clothing, I'll be using the HSGI battle belt over whatever jacket is needed.

If the weather is good, wearing just a shirt, I'll be using the AWS two belt system.

I bought a GCode Velcro faced belt that will fit regular belt loops and still lock up with the AWS gear belt.

I bought the Safariland ALS Holster to use with my work pistol. I'll be able to convert my Garrett Industries holster to a GCode hanger so I can swap holster/pistol onto whichever belt/RTI wheel as desired.

I'm thinking for any short range defensive rifle/pistol courses I'll use my work equipment but for anything medium range I'll use my own rifle/pistol.

This shit ton of options will allow me to move/swap/load as needed according to class, clothing, weather.

 

[ReaperMedic]

What is in that medical pouch? It looks massive.

 

[pmclaine]

What is in that medical pouch? It looks massive.

It does look massive. I think it's all the engineering to add elevator strapping.

It's the item I'm thinking of forcing on a diet. Probably get a smaller profile with a typical open top pouch.

TQ on one side, foil thermal emergency blanket on the other.

6 inch Olaes, quick clot, roll of gauze, triangular cravat/bandage inside

Shears stuffed in back.

Mainly just stop the bleeding/treat for shock stuff. Probably a small roll of tape and a medium nasal airway jammed in there too.

I carry band aids and a few RX like aspirin, burn gel etc in my pack.

Open to criticism/suggestion from anyone with "Medic" in their handle.

 

[ReaperMedic]

Personally, I keep a lot of my medical stuff except the "I NEED THIS RTFN" gear in my bag. On my belt for space I carry a TQ, combat guaze, and ETB... there may be a folded up chest seal as well, but it all fits into a 2x M4 Magazine pouch from the USGI rifleman kit. Will it handle all? No, but that's what my assault pack/range bag is for.

That's just A WAY of doing it, but I also think about getting into vehicles, being on my back, etc when I am thinking about where I put shit on a belt. If you are doing a full belt order (British style, or ALICE belt style), its a different thing, but this is meant for range work and to supplement an actual fighting load, if I remember correctly.

Ill try to remember to take a picture of my belt kits tonight.

 

[pmclaine]

It's range use but it's basically a lot of standing around, moving, shooting, than breaking to the class room where everything comes off and gets slung on the back of a chair.

Hence why I consider the luxury of the water bottle.

Always easier to gear down, blows to wish you had it but didn't buy it and now you need it.

Truth be told mag pouches and Holster are all that will be required.

 

[wyld3man]

I use the same IFAK, it was too bulky with the tourniquet so I moved that to my IBA, it’s easier to get to there any way.

 

[Fongman]

Did an update to my battle belt as well. I think I put together my last belt in 04 so it was past time. I even took my old 6004 and did a MC wrap, it came out pretty well. Put it through the paces at the range last weekend and think I'm really going to like the changes.

 

[crimson25]

Also a big fan of the Ronin belts. I've tried the bulkier "battle belts" like the Crye with ballistic inserts--too big and move around a lot. The Ronin stays put, and I can easily take it off to ride in vics, take a break, etc.

 

[powdahound76]

Pmclaine

Building a set-up of my own for carbine training. Are those M4/Pistol mag carriers from Gcode? I have one of their pistol mag carriers.

Doesn't fit my waist belt on my Kifaru worth a dang, they made a slight angle in the MOLLE and its not at normal MOLLE intervals. Actually need to call and make an appt and go talk to them about that......

It does seem like a well made mag carrier though. I also have looked at a few others (US Grunt gear is one) and will be trying to get my hands on some to check out.

I tried one of the BlueForce M4 mag holders. Holds mags well, fast to deploy, and an absolute suck fest to put a mag back in.

I like your IFAK contents. I might skip the thermal blanket depending on weather. If cold, good plan. Cooling off if dressed for active work like a class happens fast in cold weather and leads greatly to issues with coagulopathy.

 

[Kane0519]

Also a big fan of the Ronin belts. I've tried the bulkier "battle belts" like the Crye with ballistic inserts--too big and move around a lot. The Ronin stays put, and I can easily take it off to ride in vics, take a break, etc. View attachment 7038657

Forgive my ignorance, but glow sticks? What for?

 

[TheGerman]

Forgive my ignorance, but glow sticks? What for?

Marking cleared rooms/areas.

Marking things to not touch or places to not wander off into because it may go boom.

Marking a pickup zone (PZ)

Marking hunting kills off the road so when you come back with your vehicle you know where off the road the animal is down.

Emergency signal.

Emergency light.

The IR versions can also be used to mark locations along a route as well as serve as an IFF if needed.

 

[TheGerman]

For the IFAK, I've always used the LBT BOK. I used to wear it alot at 6 o clock on the bottom of my carrier or on a belt, but after alot of mounted work I got really sick of it constantly feeling like someone stuffed a hard pillow in my chair. I have it on the carrier still, but on my left side at like 830 where I can get to it with both hands.

The nice thing is its basically made to go on a belt.

Inside it is:

1x CAT TQ (I always have another on my carrier and ruck)
1x QuikClot gauze
1x Israeli Pressure Bandage
2x H&H guaze
1x Nasopharyngeal airway
2x Nose lube
1x latex gloves
2x HyFin chest seal (front/back)
1x Pneumothorax pen
1x Sharpie

 

[pmclaine]

Pmclaine

Building a set-up of my own for carbine training. Are those M4/Pistol mag carriers from Gcode? I have one of their pistol mag carriers.

Doesn't fit my waist belt on my Kifaru worth a dang, they made a slight angle in the MOLLE and its not at normal MOLLE intervals. Actually need to call and make an appt and go talk to them about that......

It does seem like a well made mag carrier though. I also have looked at a few others (US Grunt gear is one) and will be trying to get my hands on some to check out.

I tried one of the BlueForce M4 mag holders. Holds mags well, fast to deploy, and an absolute suck fest to put a mag back in.

I like your IFAK contents. I might skip the thermal blanket depending on weather. If cold, good plan. Cooling off if dressed for active work like a class happens fast in cold weather and leads greatly to issues with coagulopathy.

Mag carriers are HSGI.

Only thought with the foil blanket is that in the limited med training I have "treat for shock" is always a big concern. Keeping peeps warm helps with that concern.

As well if I'm using this thing as a water belt to hike in the woods shelter/warmth are good to have.

The blanket really isn't that bulky.

Hypothermia Wrap 60" x 96" - Orange

www.1110gear.com

I think the Olaes, even though it's flat pack, and the TQ create the most bulk content wise, than there are the "feet" of elevator canvas used to pull gear from the pockets.

 

[Spblademaker]

Always keep a Twinkie in the med pouch stored in a hard shell eyeglass case. Morale booster.

 

[Eustice]

The med kit on your belt should probably be bare bones. A set of shears, quick clot, triangular bandage, roll of gauze, gauze pads, and a roll of tape. Anything you’d need to stop serious bleeding. Things like splints, shock treatment, IV kits, and boo-boos/headaches should be in a bag that is nearby.

That belt is for fast maneuvering and is the first thing that wold be put on if things were terrible. It would also be the last thing you’d take off if things were terrible and you were ditching gear to move fast. Meaning you have to go now or die. Any wound while trying to move quickly requiring a nasal cannula or a chest pen would probably mean you’d die from the situation rather than the wound. Otherwise you’d have your pack.

Lose the things like space blankets and chest seals. You can use the foil quick clot package taped on 3 1/2 sides for a chest seal and if you or another is going in shock and don’t have your pack or any other “lines” then the situation is probably not going to get better with a foil blanket.

At a training class you’ll be able to have your bag with you or near you.

 

[pmclaine]

Always keep a Twinkie in the med pouch stored in a hard shell eyeglass case. Morale booster.

I have a HoHo stored in a repurposed KY tub. More Cal value with the frosting.

 

[thaflash_la]

This thread reminded me that I have a CTOMS QRPS setup that I haven’t seen in years. Maybe I’ll see about setting it up for some bolt gun use. I do remember it being comfortable.