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This definitely sucks. Submarine lost.

reminds me of the JFK jr flight crash incident.
If JFK Jr has taken a commercial flight + ferry, or drove in traffic + ferry to Martha's Vineyard like EVERYONE else, it would have saved tax payers a shit ton of money. But no, he had to fly his own plane, against FAA's recommendations in conditions way above his pay grade into dusk, and crashed.

Got the US Navy, Coast Guard, warships and search planes all involved in his search and rescue. So who pays? Tax payers of course...

What ever happened to "equal treatment under the law" thing... just pisses me off.
Most Americans can't even see a Dr without being asked for proof of insurance first... yet, here we have the US and Canadian Coast guards expending all efforts and expenses looking for some rich British guy lost during his joyride to visit Titanic...
All due respect to JFK Jr , I doubt anyone here got a blowjob while flying upside down. Not a bad way to cum dearly departed .........
 
No worries, he has three more days to regret his decisions in life. It has air for like a week, then you just die in a sweaty box on the bottom of the ocean. His wife is laughing her ass off since she bought him the trip as a Father's Day gift.
Might not be too much sweating if the power is off, chilly at -12,000 feet.
 
reminds me of the JFK jr flight crash incident.
If JFK Jr has taken a commercial flight + ferry, or drove in traffic + ferry to Martha's Vineyard like EVERYONE else, it would have saved tax payers a shit ton of money. But no, he had to fly his own plane, against FAA's recommendations in conditions way above his pay grade into dusk, and crashed.

Got the US Navy, Coast Guard, warships and search planes all involved in his search and rescue. So who pays? Tax payers of course...

What ever happened to "equal treatment under the law" thing... just pisses me off.
Most Americans can't even see a Dr without being asked for proof of insurance first... yet, here we have the US and Canadian Coast guards expending all efforts and expenses looking for some rich British guy lost during his joyride to visit Titanic...
With the Navy and Coast Guard, I think it doesnt matter about your wealth, your a person in distress and they'd doo the same for you or I.
 
No worries, he has three more days to regret his decisions in life. It has air for like a week, then you just die in a sweaty box on the bottom of the ocean. His wife is laughing her ass off since she bought him the trip as a Father's Day gift.
Might not be too much sweating if the power is off, chilly at -12,000 feet.
If they are laying on the bottom with an intact hull and breathable air they better be taping on that hull loud enough for sonar to pick them up.
 
For a minute I thought we lost one of our Navy Boats.

Not that there is any less loss for a crew of a commercial sub or its high buck passengers. But I saw the headline and first thing I thought is that we lost an attack or missile boat. And given the way the Navy is handling Maintenance and Recruitment, that is honestly the FIRST thing I thought.

One of my best friends was engineering officer on a Special Ops boat many years ago. Went into Tech. One of the smartest dudes I ever knew. Like way out there smart. Went through the Navy Nuc program and it got him out of a low rent district in Michigan into amazing career and life. I love sub folks. They are a breed apart.

Anyway... I read the headline and my heart sank.

Sirhr

We love you too. And this makes me sick.
 
And, yes. Hard to feel bad for adventure tourists spending 6X the average american family income for some selfies and bragging rights.

But there was a professional crew. AND it sucks to get turned into organic jelly at the bottom of the ocean.

I love that the 1 percent can do cool things for big dollars. Be it pretending to race Nascars or go into space or motorcycle across China... whatever. Live your life to the fullest. But don't cry if you die.

I just got back from a meet-up in Gettysburg where I see friends I've known for 30 years... who were the top of their games and in the fraction of the one percent of awesome dudes. On walkers. And Oxygen. Dottering. Memory issues. Sad at a level that made me both sad and terrified that I'll be there someday.

Trust me, I'll be smuggling a Luger into the old folks home. Because I will not end like that.

So in the grand scheme of things, getting imploded in a sub is not the worst thing that can happen to you. But sucks for the crews and the families and the 'rescue' is going to cost people who don't deserve to pay for 1% pleasure and bragging rights.

Shit sandwich.

Hey, at least they didn't get shot doing Juneteenth shit.

Sirhr
Nursing home duel in a wheelchair over the last pudding.
 
I have another theory...
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They knew what they did for a living. When someone asked them to ride a submarine to those depths, they knew the risks. They weren't doing it out of service for mankind or to defend freedoms, they were doing it for profit. The cure to cancer wasn't down there, nor was the answer to some question that humanity needed to have answered.... it was money. If you die while trying to get rich, it's sad for the families, but I'll reserve my use of the word "tragedy" for situations where truly innocent people are killed through no fault of their own. That's a tragedy. This is a workplace hazard.
These “mission specialists” were anything but. They are tourists who paid $250k each for the opportunity to say they have dived on the Titanic. I wonder if they really understood the risks of a 12,500 foot dive. This kind of stuff is better left to the professionals.
 
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I think one crew member at the steering wheel and 4 richy-riches. Mind blowing that it wasn't tethered but I guess they were feeling brave.
It does seem careless, but 2.5 miles of cable could get snagged on a lot of stuff. Makes me glad I'm claustrophobic., dont even like elevators.
 
Missing British billionaire Hamish Harding has a Guinness world record for the longest duration spent at the bottom of the sea. The London-born adventurer set it in 2021 after diving in a submersible to the deepest place on Earth, the Mariana Trench, and traversing it for four hours and 15 minutes.

Hamish will be breaking his own record .............
 
Lots of money on that dive.


Rich folks sometimes make enemies, add in countries with corruption (eh, that's us too, sadly) and one wonders.
 


Wow. Looking at all that outside wiring, can't believe that is safe.

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How was that thing tested? What kind of margins does it have? One of the articles said Boeing,NASA and U of Washington consulted on 5he project. 50 years ago, that would have been a stellar endorsement. Nowadays, not so sure. Just looking at all the crap hanging off that thing gives me the Willie's.
 
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Wow. Looking at all that outside wiring, can't believe that is safe.

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How was that thing tested? What kind of margins does it have? One of the articles said Boeing,NASA and U of Washington consulted on 5he project. 50 years ago, that would have been a stellar endorsement. Nowadays, not so sure. Just looking at all the crap hanging off that thing gives me the Willie's.
Diversity hires and Chinese o rings for the win
 



Man, they're also bolted in, so not only do they need to surface, they need to be unbolted. Terrifying.
 
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So many points of failure. The 17 bolts for example, bolts stretch, torque values change depending on the condition of the threads (dry/lubricated, dirty, coated with seaspray). All those wires, if some sre stranded, seawater can work it's way through any compromise, travel the length of the wire in the spaces between strands, and possibly emerge in the pressure hull. I can't think of components like connectors rated for that pressure. The thrust motors, if one shorts out and locks on, cycle fatigue of x number of dives (same as aircraft with takeoff/landing cycle fatigue, see Aloha Airlines 243. Was the submersible subjected to testing between dives, maybe ultrasonic to detect delamination of the carbon fiber tube (see Boeing Dreamliner) , and so on.


The Navy (Adm Rickover, specifically) got very serious about safety after the Thresher. Wonder if undersea/space tourism will take a similar course? Tisnt cheap.
 
Well, they are searching for them. The question is what are they going to do when they find them? I have not heard any plan to recover or rescue them.

There is a ship with a cable long enough to reach, but that ship is 1000 miles away, and no realistic way to attach the cable (they described it as playing that frustrating game where you throw your quarter in and try to pick up a stuffed animal with a cable and grappling hook).

Is there any way to rescue these folks if they do locate the submersible?

PS- the ship disappeared shortly into the dive, like 105 minutes, so it was not very deep at the time. They simply lost contact. The pilot ship guides the submersible to the Titanic, and during the dive there is communication every 15 minutes when things are going as planned.
 
These glorified “tour” companies need to stop giving these paying tourists glorified titles to feel important in, what is in reality, a feeble cause.

Paying for a joyride on Blue Origin/Virgin Galactic does not convert one into an “astronaut”, nor does going on a joyride in hopped up glass bottom boat to view the titanic automatically convert one into a “mission specialist” - as written and publicized.

Just like because one visited the WWII museum in Pearl Harbor does not allow one to call themselves a veteran…

What a joke and insult to real men who took real risks for a real cause and did real missions.
 
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Might make sense to carry a bottle of Valium, something goes wrong and the the tourists can get zonked so they use less oxygen. In more dire circumstances,take more pills.

This article says NASA helped design this version of the submersible. Not sure what NASA knows about vehicles for deep underwater exploration.

 
How much spare oxygen would they have brought down? Or do they have oxygen generators?

I would assume a submersible could go down and attach a balloon and inflate it? Rapid ascent, rapid bends.
 
Seen a pic of this thing being towed on a submersible little barge that they depart from and land on.
The mothership is not big enough to put it on deck.
What a fucking joke of an operation.

eta.. Just seen a short clip of it sliding off the back of an old rusty supply boat not set up at all for submersible ops.
 
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reminds me of the JFK jr flight crash incident.
If JFK Jr has taken a commercial flight + ferry, or drove in traffic + ferry to Martha's Vineyard like EVERYONE else, it would have saved tax payers a shit ton of money. But no, he had to fly his own plane, against FAA's recommendations in conditions way above his pay grade into dusk, and crashed.

Got the US Navy, Coast Guard, warships and search planes all involved in his search and rescue. So who pays? Tax payers of course...

What ever happened to "equal treatment under the law" thing... just pisses me off.
Most Americans can't even see a Dr without being asked for proof of insurance first... yet, here we have the US and Canadian Coast guards expending all efforts and expenses looking for some rich British guy lost during his joyride to visit Titanic...

I was flying out of an FBO at Norwood around that time. I was not night current, and was a low time pilot, so I booked a CFII and flew out to the Vinyard and back with a couple of stops to get current. With low fog just off the island, it was disorienting as heck after losing the visual horizon at Woods Hole. This was a week or two after he went missing. We were all discussing how a similar incident a few years prior had only a fraction of the SAR effort expended. All equal, yeah, right.

Well, they are searching for them. The question is what are they going to do when they find them? I have not heard any plan to recover or rescue them.

There is a ship with a cable long enough to reach, but that ship is 1000 miles away, and no realistic way to attach the cable (they described it as playing that frustrating game where you throw your quarter in and try to pick up a stuffed animal with a cable and grappling hook).

Is there any way to rescue these folks if they do locate the submersible?

PS- the ship disappeared shortly into the dive, like 105 minutes, so it was not very deep at the time. They simply lost contact. The pilot ship guides the submersible to the Titanic, and during the dive there is communication every 15 minutes when things are going as planned.
If they do locate the vessel, they will know where to drop the memorial wreaths after the service at sea....
 
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How much spare oxygen would they have brought down? Or do they have oxygen generators?

I would assume a submersible could go down and attach a balloon and inflate it? Rapid ascent, rapid bends.
The submersible is under constant pressure, approx. same as on the surface. No need to slow the descent, and the bends does not apply to this situation due to the rigid hull.
 
It's like having a second grader pack your parachute then expecting sympathy. Too bad, but not worth our time.

A one eyed chimpanzee can pack a fucking parachute .. LOLHAhaha ... don't know about a 2nd grader but 'fact' .. I once hired a 12 year old girl to pack my Main all weekend when jumping and partying . all the openings on heading and smooth .
BUT.. You will Never catch me inside a Fucking Submarine and underwater .
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