This is CRAZY!!

[308220]

Now we talking! So which response are we going to do first? I suggest we use the tools they are using against us, right now. Flip the switch, make them the enemy. This is when we need QD’s awesome idea up and running. Something that could do a massive smear campaign, fast, but you know with real evidence of them doing something. Politician A against guns but has no problem watching kiddy porn. Get evidence of it somehow, smear it, force them to change tunes. That’s more or less what they are doing to gun owners by grouping us all together with crazies. Where is that big black guy that was at one of those city council meetings a couple years back that made an awesome speech? Yeah I want that guy!

That black guy was taken down in the #metoo campaign. Apparently, 36 years ago, be bumped into a lady at a crowded music festival. No trial. No jury. Currently on deathrow. Just kidding.

But that is what they do with people who are outspoken against the NWO. They cook up a scandal and destroy them. It wouldnt surprise me if that black guy has gotten a full blown audit ever since.

 

[QuickNDirty]

This is what I am talking about. In my hypothetical scenario John was just a law-abiding citizen minding his own business who decided he wasn't going to give up his lawfully acquired weapons to a bunch of government Goons who were decked out for a street fight in Fallujah. I guess the real point of my post is when would you get behind somebody like John? Or do you just keep saying better him than me......

At first, it depends... If all I know about John is that his name is John, then that's not much to go on. I've got neighbors like that, and if that house got raided in the middle of the night, I'm not sure what I'd do. Probably just follow up with the news and call around to get the story on WTF he did to get raided.

OTOH, there's other neighbors I know pretty well, also named John, ironically... No one would ever have any legitimate business raiding their homes. Not having that shit.

Once raids on John's multiply by a half dozen a month to a dozen or more a week over some unconstitutional bullshit, then... I don't really GAF who John is at that point. Shit's gotta stop.

 

[308220]

This is what I am talking about. In my hypothetical scenario John was just a law-abiding citizen minding his own business who decided he wasn't going to give up his lawfully acquired weapons to a bunch of government Goons who were decked out for a street fight in Fallujah. I guess the real point of my post is when would you get behind somebody like John? Or do you just keep saying better him than me......

Its funny how the democrats say..."Dont judge all muslims based on the actions of 1 lone wolf." But that same treatment doesnt apply to gun owners. And if these gov goons want to dress up in battle gear and drive battle tanks through the streets, maybe we should give them the fight theyre aching for.

 

[SilentStalkr]

That black guy was taken down in the #metoo campaign. Apparently, 36 years ago, be bumped into a lady at a crowded music festival. No trial. No jury. Currently on deathrow. Just kidding.

But that is what they do with people who are outspoken against the NWO. They cook up a scandal and destroy them. It wouldnt surprise me if that black guy has gotten a full blown audit ever since.

Exactly what I mean when I say we need to turn these tactics against them!!!! Use their script.

Its funny how the democrats say..."Dont judge all muslims based on the actions of 1 lone wolf." But that same treatment doesnt apply to gun owners. And if these gov goons want to dress up in battle gear and drive battle tanks through the streets, maybe we should give them the fight theyre aching for.

Exactly! Now I am lighting a fire under you guys! Now go light some more asses up and spread the word.

 

[DannC]

I cannot speak to the entire post but can tell you the articulate black man who gave a very impassioned speech to the Greensboro, NC city council that was considering an "assault weapons" ban in the city and would have impacted the whole county. Would have been the first domino of gun bans across the state.


He told them that he was a honest hard working individual and what they were proposing would prevent him from defending himself and his family as he lived in the "hood". While they let every criminal loose on the streets to sell drugs and terrorize the law abiding.

It got national exposure on some of the major networks. Never been more proud of NC and this black man who represents his race with such dignity. Should have remembered his name. If someone with the search skills to find this please post a link.

Hmm.. Can you elaborate on that a bit?

 

[QuickNDirty]

I cannot speak to the entire post but can tell you the articulate black man who give a very impassioned speech to the Greensboro, NC city council that was considering an "assault weapons" ban in the city and would have impacted the whole county. Would have the first domino of gun bans across the state.


He told them that he was a honest hard working individual and what they were proposing would prevent him from defending himself and his family as he lived in the "hood". While they let every criminal loose on the streets to sell drugs and terrorize the law abiding.

It got national exposure on some of the major networks. Never been more proud of NC and this black man who represents his race with such dignity. Should have remembered his name. If someone with the search skills to find this please post a link.

Yeah, that's Mark Robinson. I'd be down for anything that guy's got going on.



What I meant was with regard to @SilentStalkr 's use of my proposed platform for the purpose of a smear campaign. I.E., what have you got in mind?

 

[308pirate]

Ok, I agree with these tactics and it does work but you’d have to have a fairly large group to do this but yes eventually it could work. But what if they start randomizing their raids? You’d literallyhave to keep watch on them 24/7. Then they may catch on to you and not group at the local PD and so on. Who is going to have time for these things when you have mouths to feed and jobs to go to? It could certainly be done but I don’t know if we will have as many willing participants to get it done. But as you mentioned one thing that makes things a little easier is that humans, in large part, especially the sheeple, are creatures of habits making them very easy to track with a little effort.

There are hundreds of ways to go about this without falling into the simplistic traps you seem to fall into all the time playing these hypotheticals.

And some of the questions you're asking are not to be answered in media like this. Do you seriously not understand that?

Couple of things for you to ponder:

1. What makes you think that action will always be reactive?
2. Do you think people can't figure out where the enforcers live?
3. Even better do you think people can't figure out where the authors and triers of such unconstitutional laws live?
4. Do you think that the authors and triers of such laws will be immune from retribution?

The time to collect such intelligence is now.

This is going to make the Troubles in Northern Ireland look like a fucking lovefest.

 

[Steel+Killer]

Yeah, that's Mark Robinson. I'd be down for anything that guy's got going on.



What I meant was with regard to @SilentStalkr 's use of my proposed platform for the purpose of a smear campaign. I.E., what have you got in mind?

Every time I watch that speech I feel like have been cutting onions.......anyone else?....LOL

Mark Robinson is a great patriot I would stand with him any day!

 

[SilentStalkr]

There are hundreds of ways to go about this without falling into the simplistic traps you seem to fall into all the time playing these hypotheticals.

And some of the questions you're asking are not to be answered in media like this. Do you seriously not understand that?

Couple of things for you to ponder:

1. What makes you think that action will always be reactive?
2. Do you think people can't figure out where the enforcers live?
3. Even better do you think people can't figure out where the authors and triers of such unconstitutional laws live?
4. Do you think that the authors and triers of such laws will be immune from retribution?

The time to collect such intelligence is now.

This is going to make the Troubles in Northern Ireland look like a fucking lovefest.

Yeah, you see the difference is I don’t care. I’m not hiding.

 

[TheGerman]

There are hundreds of ways to go about this without falling into the simplistic traps you seem to fall into all the time playing these hypotheticals.

And some of the questions you're asking are not to be answered in media like this. Do you seriously not understand that?

Couple of things for you to ponder:

1. What makes you think that action will always be reactive?
2. Do you think people can't figure out where the enforcers live?
3. Even better do you think people can't figure out where the authors and triers of such unconstitutional laws live?
4. Do you think that the authors and triers of such laws will be immune from retribution?

The time to collect such intelligence is now.

This is going to make the Troubles in Northern Ireland look like a fucking lovefest.

This was part of what I was getting at as well but wanted to just stick to the direct question in regards to how you can get advanced knowledge of raids.

But as pirate said, there are many sides to this from not always being on the defense, to making the other side play by their own rules to their severe disadvantage to finding out how their legal requirements are met as far as raids (or whatever) and basically overloading/diluting that system and process to the point that its worthless.

Some food for thought:

- The Palestinians are masters of setting a bait/switch trap in regards to public opinion versus the Israelis. They used misinformation to say there was a sniper/gun man in a tower shooting at people only for the Israelis to then hit the tower with artillery. Guess who had prepared footage of that and the subsequent area around the tower that received fire on hand and in-front of everyone, showing all sorts of women/children/carnage that was just 'inflicted' on them. How many false no-knocks that end up with 4 kids and a 80 year old grandma with a weak heart will it take to put major red tape on things for your local/state police?

- The laws and guidelines that police have to follow make our shitty ROE in the middle east look like the wild west. Make it painful. Everyone sews over everything, all the time. Be outraged. All the time. About everything.

- Whatever legal means they use to stipulate things like raids; identify how they are justified in the eyes of the politician's laws. Are they using things like 'red flag laws' where basically any random person can call and say they know someone crazy with a gun? Are they taking calls from random snitches and allowing those to be gospel in the way of getting a warrant/legal go ahead? Once you identify the system in place, use it to your advantage. Send them to every cop's house. Send them to the mayor's mother in laws house. Send them to the walmart parking lot with a vague claim of some guy with a gun. Send them to all over the place to where they either have to make a determination that the guidelines have to be super strict, meaning the raids basically have such a high requirement for proof that they don't ever happen or the pool of force available to them is spread across thin which then provides opportunity as well as a mentally worn down opponent.

- Back to Napoleon and his art of war comment. Imagine, via the above, you send a force to some random place, or maybe a place that was arranged to have innocent people inside with nothing to hide, but helpful to your cause. The force sets up outside the same way it always does and always has. To them, they have set up a perimeter. To the opposing force that planned this; they all have their backs turned to you.

It's a battle of attrition and breaking the others' will to fight. If your thoughts on this involve fighting head on, your tactics suck.

Wanted to add - I'm not condoning any of this or telling you to go out and do this tomorrow or some shit. Instead, I just want people to think, and grasp how to look at things like this and the possibilities to counter them via figuring out how the enemy is isolated and pulled out of their element. That's all.

 

[SilentStalkr]

This was part of what I was getting at as well but wanted to just stick to the direct question in regards to how you can get advanced knowledge of raids.

But as pirate said, there are many sides to this from not always being on the defense, to making the other side play by their own rules to their severe disadvantage to finding out how their legal requirements are met as far as raids (or whatever) and basically overloading/diluting that system and process to the point that its worthless.

Some food for thought:

- The Palestinians are masters of setting a bait/switch trap in regards to public opinion versus the Israelis. They used misinformation to say there was a sniper/gun man in a tower shooting at people only for the Israelis to then hit the tower with artillery. Guess who had prepared footage of that and the subsequent area around the tower that received fire on hand and in-front of everyone, showing all sorts of women/children/carnage that was just 'inflicted' on them. How many false no-knocks that end up with 4 kids and a 80 year old grandma with a weak heart will it take to put major red tape on things for your local/state police?

- The laws and guidelines that police have to follow make our shitty ROE in the middle east look like the wild west. Make it painful. Everyone sews over everything, all the time. Be outraged. All the time. About everything.

- Whatever legal means they use to stipulate things like raids; identify how they are justified in the eyes of the politician's laws. Are they using things like 'red flag laws' where basically any random person can call and say they know someone crazy with a gun? Are they taking calls from random snitches and allowing those to be gospel in the way of getting a warrant/legal go ahead? Once you identify the system in place, use it to your advantage. Send them to every cop's house. Send them to the mayor's mother in laws house. Send them to the walmart parking lot with a vague claim of some guy with a gun. Send them to all over the place to where they either have to make a determination that the guidelines have to be super strict, meaning the raids basically have such a high requirement for proof that they don't ever happen or the pool of force available to them is spread across thin which then provides opportunity as well as a mentally worn down opponent.

- Back to Napoleon and his art of war comment. Imagine, via the above, you send a force to some random place, or maybe a place that was arranged to have innocent people inside with nothing to hide, but helpful to your cause. The force sets up outside the same way it always does and always has. To them, they have set up a perimeter. To the opposing force that planned this; they all have their backs turned to you.

It's a battle of attrition and breaking the others' will to fight. If your thoughts on this involve fighting head on, your tactics suck.

Wanted to add - I'm not condoning any of this or telling you to go out and do this tomorrow or some shit. Instead, I just want people to think, and grasp how to look at things like this and the possibilities to counter them via figuring out how the enemy is isolated and pulled out of their element. That's all.

Nobody is talking about doing anything straight on. My tactics are just fine. You guys are preaching to the choir here. My point is that you guys know the tactics, problem is nobody is employing them are they? My entire goal here is to point out that they are using some of these very things against us in real time. I don’t see any counter measures taking place. If I lived in WA or one of these other commie states I’d be doing all kinds of things as we speak. Call it in, say you think there are guns in the house, let them get raided and put through the panel and see how they like it. Blah blah you all know what I’m saying.

 

[308pirate]

Yeah, you see the difference is I don’t care. I’m not hiding.

I guess we need martyrs too

 

[308pirate]

Imagine, via the above, you send a force to some random place, or maybe a place that was arranged to have innocent people inside with nothing to hide, but helpful to your cause. The force sets up outside the same way it always does and always has. To them, they have set up a perimeter. To the opposing force that planned this; they all have their backs turned to you.

The ambush possibilities are near endless.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I guess we need martyrs too

I ain’t that guy lol. I’m just stirring the pot to keep you guys motivated! One thing I will add is that the left is a master of making us run scared in so many directions that we often are not able to mount an offensive.

 

[308pirate]

One thing I will add is that the left is a master of making us run scared in so many directions that we often are not able to mount an offensive.

I honestly don't know how you get things like the above in your head. I see zero evidence of what you say being true. Absolutely none.

 

[Steel+Killer]

I honestly don't know how you get things like the above in your head. I see zero evidence of what you say being true. Absolutely none.

I think what he means is the right has and still does try to play by the rules where as the left will lie, cheat, steal, do what ever it takes to get there agenda accomplished they dont follow any kind of rules because they threw out what little rules they actualy followed many many moons ago they don't even try to hide it anymore mainly because they know they got the MSM to run cover for them and most low information voters have the memory and attention span of a drunk monkey.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I think what he means is the right has and still does try to play by the rules where as the left will lie, cheat, steal, do what ever it takes to get there agenda accomplished they dont follow any kind of rules because they threw out what little rules they actualy followed many many moons ago they don't even try to hide it anymore mainly because they know they got the MSM to run cover for them and most low information voters have the memory and attention span of a drunk monkey.

+1
Plus the fact the money that pours an pours into them, is far greater than the right.
Had an interesting radio conversation at 0015 zulu with two guys in Venezuela, an many of the things that were precursor's there are now happening here but at a much faster pace. The powers to be on this rock seem to be able to read/direct history even before it's made. In their conversastions many things most put/held worth to an hold as out saving them were but pipe dreams. They indicated people here better be thinking about what was important to folks in this country in the early 1800's. Spent about 20 minutes with them before propagation went to shit, they did not have digital ability or a key so mother nature cut us off.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I honestly don't know how you get things like the above in your head. I see zero evidence of what you say being true. Absolutely none.

I think what he means is the right has and still does try to play by the rules where as the left will lie, cheat, steal, do what ever it takes to get there agenda accomplished they dont follow any kind of rules because they threw out what little rules they actualy followed many many moons ago they don't even try to hide it anymore mainly because they know they got the MSM to run cover for them and most low information voters have the memory and attention span of a drunk monkey.

As Palmetto said, we still try to play by the rules, in short, they don’t. If you think we aren’t running scared as a whole then I can’t point it out to you. There is anti gun legislation coming down the pike everyday. So much so that we run around on boards like these and say things like, get all you need right now because you wont be able to get it after 2020. Or we say buy more ammo as if we ain’t going to be able to get it. Let’s see mag bans, AWBs and so on being expanded. Red flag laws being expanded, people running around asking what state they can move to because their state has turned commie etc. if you think that isn’t running and acting scared then I don’t know what is. It certainly isn’t the acts of people on a winning side.

And while we are all worried about scrounging money for parts kits and Ammo or whatever or trying to fight this political BS we are missing out in life, family and the pursuit of happiness. Frankly, I’m sick of it. Do you have any idea how many gun related companies were bumped off of Shopify this week because they are taking an anti gun stance. Shopify doesn’t want to do biz with anyone gun related. That’s fine but I seem to recall a bakery among other small businesses that wouldn’t serve a gay couple or do this or that that were ran out of business and castrated before the public eye more or less. How is it ok for one side to be able to pick and choose who they can serve while the other can’t. And don’t give me no shit about them being a protected class. Gun owners are protected in the BOR as far as I’m concerned, yet we don’t act like it. No sir, I would not call anything we have going for us right now, winning unless you live in South Dakota. We either start making up our own rules or concede to the fact that it’s just a matter of time before this place is more fucked up than Venezuela.

 

[Fig]

Those poor ass backwards colonists talked a lot of shit, protested (we opened fire on them in Boston) and a few did some civil disobedience, but it wasn't till the Governor tried to confiscate all the weapons that they were moved to violence and actually fought back....
-Jonny English 1789

If they try to disarm us too fast I think they will get resistance. Their only play to avoid a real shit show is to do it slowly. This is entirely antithetical to the instant-gratification generation they've been cultivating. I think they're fucked and there's gona be a reset, and it won't be a "John Brown", martyr thing like you imagine. It will be more of a State's Governor and Legislature giving the middle finger salute to the Feds. Two can play at the "color of law" game. Federalism is part of the checks and balances even though it doesn't get talked about much, and the States Legislatures have been neutered since the 17th Amendment.

This is how it started last time, and this is what will motivate the populous to resist this time. No, there wont' be pitched battles like in the Great Rebellion, but the political impetus for the Second Great Rebellion will also be States resisting would be rulers, and it will very likely be the same democrats who refuse to abide by an election. From Bush vs Gore to today they have not accepted a single loss, and it will only take them a nudge to go full coup next time.

It's gona be on one way or the other. They cant' help themselves.

 

[308pirate]

As Palmetto said, we still try to play by the rules, in short, they don’t. If you think we aren’t running scared as a whole then I can’t point it out to you. There is anti gun legislation coming down the pike everyday. So much so that we run around on boards like these and say things like, get all you need right now because you wont be able to get it after 2020. Or we say buy more ammo as if we ain’t going to be able to get it. Let’s see mag bans, AWBs and so on being expanded. Red flag laws being expanded, people running around asking what state they can move to because their state has turned commie etc. if you think that isn’t running and acting scared then I don’t know what is. It certainly isn’t the acts of people on a winning side.

And while we are all worried about scrounging money for parts kits and Ammo or whatever or trying to fight this political BS we are missing out in life, family and the pursuit of happiness. Frankly, I’m sick of it. Do you have any idea how many gun related companies were bumped off of Shopify this week because they are taking an anti gun stance. Shopify doesn’t want to do biz with anyone gun related. That’s fine but I seem to recall a bakery among other small businesses that wouldn’t serve a gay couple or do this or that that were ran out of business and castrated before the public eye more or less. How is it ok for one side to be able to pick and choose who they can serve while the other can’t. And don’t give me no shit about them being a protected class. Gun owners are protected in the BOR as far as I’m concerned, yet we don’t act like it. No sir, I would not call anything we have going for us right now, winning unless you live in South Dakota. We either start making up our own rules or concede to the fact that it’s just a matter of time before this place is more fucked up than Venezuela.

What is this WE shit? Speak for yourself. You don't speak for ME or anyone else here.

 

[SilentStalkr]

What is this WE shit? Speak for yourself. You don't speak for ME or anyone else here.

Fair enough. I’m just making an observation of the reaction I see from the gun community as a whole. It doesn’t really matter who “we” actually is, I don’t see the gun community making any real gains. If you know of some, other than South Dakota then please enlighten me.

 

[308pirate]

Fair enough. I’m just making an observation of the reaction I see from the gun community as a whole. It doesn’t really matter who “we” actually is, I don’t see the gun community making any real gains. If you know of some, other than South Dakota then please enlighten me.

My state, Ohio, has been nothing but a steady and continuous march of 2A progress since I move here in 2004 and there's more to come every single session in the statehouse.

I'm not going to list everything but suffice it to say we are better off than the "gunshine state" (FL)