This is not a 'cop bashing' thread,

[Sean the Nailer]

As the title states, this is not a "Cop Bashing" thread. Nor is this a controversy-inspiring thread. This is quite simply, what us law-abiding civilians are dealing with. For your own opinions, and jump to your own conclusions.

RCMP members found hunting on the job, falsifying details - Manitoba - CBC News

My question is, what charges, fines, and 'time' would any of you "law abiding citizens" face, if you had actually broken the law and committed these same acts? What are the rules where you live, and how different are they from us up here?

 

[thrusty]

First of all.... In the States, PETA would be out for blood for this one. Gov. agency hunts while on the job...folks would be burned at the stake. Just depends on the political climate at the time....right now liberals are on a gun-control frenzy, so it would not turn out so good.

 

[kraigWY]

I can only say what would happen at my department:

If the hunting was legal, and I had all the permits and licenses I'd been fired.

If the hunting was illegal I would have been fired and prosecuted for the game and fish violation.

Then again I worked for a department that would fire you if you took so much as a free cup of coffee, from a place that sold coffee. However if the coffee was free to everyone, such as most auto parts or gun stores, then I too could drink coffee.

 

[39-Ret]

The department that I retired from would fire you and pursue criminal charges. Just because you wear a badge dose not make one immune from the law and prosecution.

 

[High Binder]

Happened in Boulder not too long ago. A cop shot an elk in a neighborhood and then called in his buddy cop (both on the clock) to help him clean/truck it. The city held a candlelight vigil for the elk which is funny as hell and the cops caught a lot of hell for it. I dunno if they were fired or not or what.

 

[nomad07]

The constable falsifying reports should be fired and prosecuted for tampering.
The guy hunting? Slap on the wrist is fine, if memory serves Lac Brochet is bumbfuck middle of nowhere...the RCMP have historically had a hard time getting anyone to work the northern areas muchless to top notch(not to knock it but its from their own admissions) constanbles. The guy was probably bored off his ass, and that type of "abuse" used to be a job perk, since the majority coudn't wait to transfer south. At least according to my constable buddies and former bush pilots.


Sean correct me if im wrong or if things have changed in the last few years since i've been back but historically cops in Canada don't have the same aggressive relationship that occurs here. Not judging, just its somewhat different...or was.

 

[thebolt]

I've spent some time in Canada and their punishment is very different and much more lenient than the US. They look at things very different than we do and we can't compare what they do there to how we handle things here.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Nomad, et al

The cops up here are descent, for the most part. The few problems that I have with them, are that they avoid the ranges like there's no tomorrow. The officers that I know, only shoot 'to qualify' once a year. There was a few times where I've shot with them at the ranges, and each time they sucked. The mentality of "proficiency with firearms" is looked at as more of a "employment nuisance". Once in a while, I'll run into an 'elitist' bastard who thinks he's the cock-of-the-walk and as a civilian, that just sets me off. But that doesn't happen often at all.

But then there are your "Game Wardens" or "Ministry of Fish and Wildlife Constables". The few run-ins that I know of was more "authoritarian" than anything dealing with the police/rcmp. Encountering them on open water is a farce, so I'll leave that for another time. On land, they have the right to arrest, detain, confiscate, search, seize, and fine.

One of the rules of hunting in Canada, is that no aircraft is allowed to be used in the hunting process. Period. One can use the plane/helicopter as transport to/from the camp, but not to 'look for' the game.

At all.

They have so darn many laws, rules, regulations, ordinances, and whatever else they want to call their "Godly Edicts".

I'm not saying some of it isn't necessary. But they have the ability to enter a person's home, and search their freezer if they 'suspect' that there is illegal game in it. At the same time, if one is caught doing anything illegal while hunting or fishing (by the warden) they seize the vehicle, camper, all the camp equipment, your firearms, fishing tackle, and anything else that they 'deem' was/could have been used in the process.

It really does pay to keep your nose clean, up here. Them 'dudes with badges' almost seem to want to throw their authority around. But when a Police officer, or RCMP constable do wrong, they get 5-10 days suspension, at worst.

Don't get me wrong. Burglars, Murderer's, Rapist's, Molester's, and Poacher's. Hang 'em, shoot 'em, plug 'em in, and stick 'em. That's what I think. But at the same time, for us law abiding citizens,,,, lets even the playing field a bit, eh?

Is that dis-jointed enough for you all?

 

[nomad07]

Sean,
From what I remember Canada has always been more of a police/big brother state than people wish to admit.
Plus in regards to cops and guns, i still remember the debate as a kid when they were still wondering if all constables even needed guns...
Agreed on the part that they should be treated like private citizens, but historically the canadian govt has done a lot of things to infringe on rights.....remember the 90s where the 401 was closed with checkpoints to search for contraband cigarets? Although some bullshit reason was given.
I will always remember the words of my first year law proffessor.... The Canadian political system is setup so that with a majority goverment, you have an Elected Dicatatorship.

The reason most canadians dont care, is the cradle to the grave govt support we recieved. But as the system breaks down under its own weight you are starting to see patterns of violence rise and mimic US cities, as evidenced in Vancouver and Toronto.

As you know the little publicised and touted fact.... Canada has about 11million long guns, which for a country that has "no guns" is huge. Yes its highly restricted, but at the end of the day civillian:govt armement at full deployment is 150:1
The govt would be screwed in an uprising....

Happy May 2-4 buddy!