This is not my idea of an "Adoption" (Vet loses life savings to crooked cops/DEA)
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Fuck that shit. I'm sorry but I've always been one to think ANY time they ask to search you should say you need a warrant. I hate to think about what I would have been saying on that video.
To the part about the warrant I think of it as a paper trail that they must go down AND have to respond to in court. Any Judge that would have signed that warrant would be DAMN sure to clear it up ( I would hope ) to return the cash without a court case.
To the part about the warrant I think of it as a paper trail that they must go down AND have to respond to in court. Any Judge that would have signed that warrant would be DAMN sure to clear it up ( I would hope ) to return the cash without a court case.
BS....they need either Reasonable Suspicion or Probable Cause. Which is EXACTLY why he asked him if he would allow the LEO to search the vehicle. He "really" didn't have PC to proceed with the search.
The LEO had RS for the "traffic stop". He didn't have RS for ANYTHING else until he started asking questions. Only when answered by the driver does it start the RS for (insert question and answer).
Example:
"Hey do you have drugs in the vehicle?? Yes. " RS and PC now in play.
Answer "No" and the LEO is now on the fence to HOW to proceed. IF he REALLY thinks there's drugs in the car he gets a dog to do an "open air search" outside the vehicle. Dog alerts to the positive....RS and PC are met....vehicle search is on.
Dog doesn't alert the LEO is in a pickle. Maybe MORE questions trying to trip you up, but in the end he may have to let the driver go.
It is things like this that plant the seed of distrust between the two camps. (civilians and LEO's)
I would LIKE to think that such a situation doesn't exist. Alas, I live in the real world.
Do you?
I would LIKE to think that such a situation doesn't exist. Alas, I live in the real world.
Do you?
Not anti law enforcement, but never, ever trust a cop.
Pretty sure the one trooper was playing it safe. Stated he has receipts....SGT was like hit it with the dog....Why?? Cause he KNEW the dog would alert. Classic move to "keep pushing" for something to use for PC to seize (insert item). SGT needed the dog to alert cause if the dog didn't react....he HAD to let the guy leave with the cash. No PC would have been found without the dog alert.
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What if that dog was trained to alert on large sums of cash
In a way, they are...
New study: Up to 90 percent of U.S. paper money contains traces of cocaine - American Chemical Society
American Chemical Society: Chemistry for Life.
www.acs.org
I bet they have dogs that can tell the difference between Hundreds and Ones!
In the video: LEO already had the cash in hand. No reason to "need a dog" to do a search thru the brush (as in the video).
Now let's say the driver didn't consent to the search, stated he had no "large sums of cash", LEO still has "thoughts this guy is hauling drug proceeds"....sure the LEO could stretch the limit of RS with "needing the dog" for an open air search. Dog shows up, alerts, LEO now says..."Okay do you want to change your answer since I now have PC for cash with the dog alert."
Your question even proves the SGT LEO was acting in bad faith. Cause either the dog is trained in cash/drug detection...or one of the two. Since the cash was in hand he HAD to prove it was "drug money"..hence the "drug dog" exits the vehicle.
Otherwise it's tantamount to planting evidence. Cash in hand...why did you need a "cash detecting dog search"....used the thought it was "drug money" now becomes the catch all....dog hit on the "drug laced cash". PC met.
SGT has PLENTY of experience to "reasonably know" the cash would be hit by the drug dog. He most likely sees it 100's of times in training and real world.
Now let's say the driver didn't consent to the search, stated he had no "large sums of cash", LEO still has "thoughts this guy is hauling drug proceeds"....sure the LEO could stretch the limit of RS with "needing the dog" for an open air search. Dog shows up, alerts, LEO now says..."Okay do you want to change your answer since I now have PC for cash with the dog alert."
Your question even proves the SGT LEO was acting in bad faith. Cause either the dog is trained in cash/drug detection...or one of the two. Since the cash was in hand he HAD to prove it was "drug money"..hence the "drug dog" exits the vehicle.
Otherwise it's tantamount to planting evidence. Cash in hand...why did you need a "cash detecting dog search"....used the thought it was "drug money" now becomes the catch all....dog hit on the "drug laced cash". PC met.
SGT has PLENTY of experience to "reasonably know" the cash would be hit by the drug dog. He most likely sees it 100's of times in training and real world.
There is not a shred of paper currency in circulation that has not been drug tainted......well maybe when it comes right from the reserve but other wise its all tainted.
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In a way, they are...
New study: Up to 90 percent of U.S. paper money contains traces of cocaine - American Chemical Society
American Chemical Society: Chemistry for Life.
They already have dogs trained to alert on large sums of cash.
Yep cause god knows there's NEVER been evidence in court that has been cross contaminated.
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Money sniffing dogs are trained to detect the specific ink used in printing paper money. The exact composition of legal tender, including the formula for ink, is a closely guarded secret, but these dogs can sniff out bundles containing hundreds or more of individual notes (no one cares about the smaller number of bills most of us carry around). U.S. currency is printed on cotton/linen fiber instead of wood fiber used for paper, and it will have the scent of the people who’ve handled it. Training dogs to detect cash is a lot trickier than training a dog to detect drugs or bombs because money has an abundance of smells from a whole lot of people.
Fuck them and fuck them some more. Those fucks need to be put in the ground.
The alleged defendant should have a right to defend himself against the warrant. Set evidence for warrant should be presented to the defendant and allowed to appropriately defend himself prior to said warrant.
Any officer or judge trying to deny a defendant they're right to counter the warrant should be treated like a terrorist and appropriately disposed of
What I was joking about if the fact the dog cannot tell the difference between 870 Hundred dollar bills and 870 One dollar bills.
The dog can’t determine the sum of money.
Nevermind…
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I picked up your sarcasm. I have two teenagers, it’s a second language for me
He answered all the questions honestly..( 3:00-4:00 in the video)...the defendant waived the warrant by providing verbal permission to search the vehicle.
He just got wrapped up by the LEO policy for enforcement in the area. He was TOO trusting in the LEO at the scene...to which the SGT LEO "pushed" for the seizure by bringing in the dog.
Actually, point of law says it does ( At least here in Texas). If any time a peace officer calls a judge for a warrant the alleged defendant regarding said a warrant has every right to defend himself against said warrant. Cops don't like this and they'll try to lie to you arrest you and diminish your rights prior to your legal right to present your side in front of the judge.
First things first. If you think cops have the right to search your car or home or even your back pack without cause that will stand up in court you are a complete fucking idiot. You always have the right to say No and there is no reason on earth to say yes. Cops are some of the least trustworthy people on earth. As soon as that cop said, "hey man you are a vet, I'm a vet, let me fuck you over". He should have shut up and asked for a lawyer. You could see that cop scumbagging him a mile away.
In the early 1990's when seizing shit started kicking off my Dad was driving back to Florida from visiting his father in Brooklyn and got stopped by a North Carolina thug cop for speeding. The crooked scumbag cop saw a green military tool bag in my dad's car and concluded from looking at it, zipped closed that it was dangerous, removed my dad at gun point and seized it. It had a 1911, spare mags, my dad's meds and spare cash. He arrested my dad for carrying a loaded gun. My Dad hired a lawyer, went to court and stopped the seizure of the bag's contents because it was a warrantless search and got everything returned. The DA argued that crooked cops had special insight into zipped bags and suitcases that allowed them to determine they had contraband in them. Yeah, my dad was driving 10-15 over the speed limit so he should have gotten the speeding ticket. A brief examination of all of the tickets this guy wrote for the previous two weeks showed not one single North Carolina resident had received a ticket from him. Like the Nevada cop, he was robbing travelers on the highway. The judge ruled in my dad's case that with no visible signs of a firearm, drugs or contraband goon cop had no probable cause.
Meanwhile in Florida, I was home visiting in the 1990's and the Merrit Island cops had stopped an older guy in a Mercedes for rolling a stop sign or one of the usual scam tickets. They demanded to search the car and found $1,000,000 in the truck in a briefcase. They promptly seized it and would have simply divided it up among themselves and stole it, but the old guy had a lawyer on speed dial. So they "seized it" and while they fought about it in court, the sheriff used the proceeds from investing it to buy a new boat and a couple of cars for the department. Eventually they were ordered to return it, WITH INTEREST and they were on the news complaining. It seems the guy was worth millions and regularly carried large sums because he liked his money like Scrooge McDuck.
Hitler, Stalin and Castro did not fire all the cops when they seized power. They simply changed he laws and the cops gladly enforced them.
In the early 1990's when seizing shit started kicking off my Dad was driving back to Florida from visiting his father in Brooklyn and got stopped by a North Carolina thug cop for speeding. The crooked scumbag cop saw a green military tool bag in my dad's car and concluded from looking at it, zipped closed that it was dangerous, removed my dad at gun point and seized it. It had a 1911, spare mags, my dad's meds and spare cash. He arrested my dad for carrying a loaded gun. My Dad hired a lawyer, went to court and stopped the seizure of the bag's contents because it was a warrantless search and got everything returned. The DA argued that crooked cops had special insight into zipped bags and suitcases that allowed them to determine they had contraband in them. Yeah, my dad was driving 10-15 over the speed limit so he should have gotten the speeding ticket. A brief examination of all of the tickets this guy wrote for the previous two weeks showed not one single North Carolina resident had received a ticket from him. Like the Nevada cop, he was robbing travelers on the highway. The judge ruled in my dad's case that with no visible signs of a firearm, drugs or contraband goon cop had no probable cause.
Meanwhile in Florida, I was home visiting in the 1990's and the Merrit Island cops had stopped an older guy in a Mercedes for rolling a stop sign or one of the usual scam tickets. They demanded to search the car and found $1,000,000 in the truck in a briefcase. They promptly seized it and would have simply divided it up among themselves and stole it, but the old guy had a lawyer on speed dial. So they "seized it" and while they fought about it in court, the sheriff used the proceeds from investing it to buy a new boat and a couple of cars for the department. Eventually they were ordered to return it, WITH INTEREST and they were on the news complaining. It seems the guy was worth millions and regularly carried large sums because he liked his money like Scrooge McDuck.
Hitler, Stalin and Castro did not fire all the cops when they seized power. They simply changed he laws and the cops gladly enforced them.
Policy isn't law.
Never trust police to do the right thing or be on your side.
“Civil asset forfeiture” is simply theft and should be prosecuted and dealt with on the streets as such
Hence why RS and PC need to be met. He wasn't using policy as "law", moreover using the law to effect policy in my mind.
I'm not anti-LEO in any way but I sure as shit know when to start talking...even better when to shut the fuck up.
Driving home one afternoon some State Trooper following me along what wasn't an unusual route for State Troopers since it connected pretty easily to multiple major roadways. When I was turning onto my side road to head home, he hit the lights.
Trooper stated he pulled me over for the beer can that flew out my truck bed ( a soda can in the roadway that went UNDER my truck) , and that HE couldn't read my tag. I was in my military duty uniform, stated I've been driving almost an hour, that can was UNDER my truck....then I said you can't read my plate?? He just walked off.....literally just walked away...said nothing else.....Cause he knew by the cam and audio what he had admitted to.....having bad vision.....hence no RS or PC to move forward.
LMAO....cause in all honesty I couldn't blame him for the tag. The last letter was distorted due to how the dark blue background swallowed up the black tag numbers. To which he can't pull me over for NOT being able to read a clean tag. There sure as shit was NO WAY he was going to prove I had been drinking or had beer in the truck bed....cause it just wasn't there.
Are they still LEO when acting outside of the law?
Does innocent until proven guilty sound familiar???
To your question: When the State AG or Local DA are calling the shots hence "policy on policing"....you can see where the problems really are started.
As in the video above: Do you REALLY think the trooper is the one that thought up that wonderful plan all on his own?? Nah...he's just following along with the winds and seas of "justice" cause we all know those things change over time.
The first trooper has been told his actions are within the law. To even the point HE so states, the guy has receipts..he doesn't really see where he can proceed or why maybe........to the SGT...he's just trying to make a "big bust" and move up in rank/pay.....send in the dog...cause he knows the dog will hold water in court even if the decisions the SGT made are "wrongful"....you still got to prove intent....Hence the sea swallows justice for the defendant alive...allowing the whole system to remain even when the defendant has his money back.
Think about it. We want to blame the LEO for "being outside the law"...we have RS, no PC. Ever ask yourself WHY the DEA guy didn't show up??? I'm betting had he arrived on scene he would have let the guy ride off. The DEA was clean in that his hands were not part of any of the seizure....he didn't care....sure trooper seize the cash....knowing the courts will either give it back or keep it....DEA has bigger things to focus on.....State Trooper can answer for the whole mess if it's bad.
While we want a perfect justice system we allow these "policies" to go uncorrected. I mean there's NO punishment for the AG or local DA who formed the whole thing. THAT'S the problem...not the LEO's on the ground. for the most part anyway.
So the Marine carried his life savings because he didn't trust banks from stealing or losing it and the cops pull him over and steal it. Are we Mexico yet?
Highway Patrol Highwaymen.
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My dad was a cop. He told me to never trust the cops, never talk to the cops more than answering their questions and keep that simple. He had a drawer with like 20 little pistols called throw down guns. Cops aren’t your friends.
If I can’t use stupidity as a defense cops shouldn’t be able to ether.
seeds of distrust. they used to be seeds, now they are the giant frigging redwoods of distrust.
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"I was just following orders"
"I'm just doing my job. I'm protecting my pension"
Yeah I knew a cop who had a collection of pistols he called "throwaways" plus a bunch of other stuff like weird batons, saps, switchblades, cane swords all stuff he found on the job at one time or another. He was a policeman from way back in the way old days and had all sorts of crazy stories.
Same here, father was HFD, HPD... Basically told me the same thing... as did an uncle in the FBI and another uncle in a different acronym agency
all i will say is i was a LEO for 2 years. quit doing that, because i didnt like what i saw.
I'm not anti-cop. I've worked with them a lot in different jobs in the past. But I use to house sit for the chief of police when I turned 16. He always said the answer is always no. He said never let anyone search your car.
Although he did let me drive his wrangler and I could dig thru his safe to play with his toys. So maybe his judgment was off. Idk.
Although he did let me drive his wrangler and I could dig thru his safe to play with his toys. So maybe his judgment was off. Idk.
Read a story by an old time Border Patrolman about how a fellow BP encountered a known smuggler and known 'bad hombre' from the other side of the Rio Grande on a bridge. The bad hombre reportedly had a gun and either pointed it or shot at the BP agent who pulled his own gun and shot the bad guy. There was no gun found on the bridge so either he never had one or it fell off the bridge into the canal.
They sent a boat out next day and trolled with a magnet to see if they could locate the gun and when they pulled the magnet up it was covered in cheap throwdown guns.
The border patrol agent needed a throwdown gun that day, to throw it down on the body of the dead ombre. That’s always been my interpretation of the term.
Just “bless the hero’s for stealing the peons savings” and move on- we are probably one post from witnessing sore sissy clit pig syndrome.
And even if the hero’s did steal a mans life savings just remember how they protected everyone during the riots!
And even if the hero’s did steal a mans life savings just remember how they protected everyone during the riots!
I remember them kneeling, lying down and washing feet. Protecting...not so much.
The dogs alert when they are told. It has nothing to do with drugs. It has to do with the opportunity to steal cash.
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