This might be a good case to take to the Supreme Court

[diverdon]

https://www.waynedupree.com/veteran-automatic-rifle-prison/



Imagine purchasing a gun 40 years ago, and now well into your elderly years, you’re being sentenced to seven years in jail.
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That is where Alfred Pick finds himself today after a federal judge handed down a prison sentence for a mistake he made close to 40 years ago. Pick purchased a collector’s item that matched a firearm he used when he was in the Army. He served as a lieutenant and was also decorated for this service in the war.

The automatic gun is illegal for U.S. citizens to have but Pick had it in his possession, locked away in a visible case, inside of his home.

Pick’s home was raided by the ATF last year which found the gun and charged him with possession of it while adding marijuana charges to the list. His wife had died just two weeks before this incident.

“This gun was very rare at that time it was rare to see one so he instantly had a connection to it,” said Pick’s attorney Ryne Sandel. “Over the course of his life he and his wife and collected about 14 weapons, many of them were collectors items.”
“He was a gun collector and it was probably the piece de resistance of his collection… he had shown it to me. I’ve never seen it taken it out of the case,” said Shackelford.
Friends of the vet showed up to support him after he pleaded guilty in a Plano federal courtroom and was sentenced to 87 months in prison by a judge.
“He’s had it all these years never robbed a bank or done anything with it,” said Shackelford. “Somebody that made one mistake and now 50 years later, he’s paying a really big price for it.”​

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Pick received the United States military third highest award — The Silver Star, for over 100 combat missions and serving as a POW.

His friends say that he should have received a lighter sentence when you add everything up including his service to the country.

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Factors that his friends and attorney say should have led to a lighter sentence. This man must not have a lot of money because a rich person would not have to go through this. I was telling a friend of mine, poor people go to jail while rich people usually do not. Maybe I should add rich; political individuals usually do not find themselves sitting on the inside of a jail or prison if they do something illegal.

I see this as a mistake, but I also see this as jealousy. Someone must have tipped off the officials for this to happen. If Pick had that gun for close to 40 years and nobody did anything or knew anything except for his friends, someone had to have turned snitch.

I just don’t get how the ATF would just pick this time out of history to “raid” this man’s home looking for the firearm. Does that make sense to you?

 

[FS1]

He must have mentioned it to a Evilcrat.

 

[pmclaine]

What was it?

I'm guessing M16 or M2 carbine.

Glad people are recognizing our two tiered justice system and hope it is making them fighting mad.

 

[Pappakap]

I wish the BATF would stick their nose into criminals possessing illegal firearms business the way they stock their nose in law abiding citizens business. At least then they’d be useful for something.

 

[ArmyJerry]

the BATF needs to be shut down , it is prohibited in the Constitution and is an illegal federal agency.

I wish the BATF would stick their nose into criminals possessing illegal firearms business the way they stock their nose in law abiding citizens business. At least then they’d be useful for something.

 

[diverdon]

I wish the BATF would stick their nose into criminals possessing illegal firearms business the way they stock their nose in law abiding citizens business. At least then they’d be useful for something.

Perhaps they would, if that served their agenda. Oh but wait, criminals only attack ordinary people and each other but the law abiding, hard working Vet, he just might attack a member of the political elite who is in violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution.

 

[diverdon]

the BATF needs to be shut down , it is prohibited in the Constitution and is an illegal federal agency.

A good start to shutting them down would be the Supreme Court overturning laws that violate the second amendment.

 

[splean]

What was it?

I'm guessing M16 or M2 carbine.

Glad people are recognizing our two tiered justice system and hope it is making them fighting mad.

I believe it was an M14 with the serial number ground off.

 

[Pappakap]

I’d settle for Trump passing a safe hearing act during his first term. The deregulation of suppressors is top on my list. Second would be not needing paperwork to have a rifle shorter than the arbitrary bullshit 16”.

 

[diverdon]

I’d settle for Trump passing a safe hearing act during his first term. The deregulation of suppressors is top on my list. Second would be not needing paperwork to have a rifle shorter than the arbitrary bullshit 16”.

President Trump can only sign it if congress passes it, and then another congress and another president could reimpose the regulations. If the SC overturns the entire law then future congresses could not pass a law that limited your rights. Look at how Row vs Wade works.

 

[pmclaine]

I believe it was an M14 with the serial number ground off.

Yep that would fit the time frame.

Some douche must have turned him in.

Heard similar story of a gun collector that had an M2 from his fathers time in service and another collector turned him in.

 

[diverdon]

Yep that would fit the time frame.

Some douche must have turned him in.

Heard similar story of a gun collector that had an M2 from his fathers time in service and another collector turned him in.

Sad story there.

 

[MtnCreek]

The court would side with the government on this.

 

[Pappakap]

Well at least we got one more conservative on the SC despite their best attempts to stop it. It helps balance out Obama’s token confirmation. Of course I still believe Scalia’s death was a hit job that the libtard media refused to report on but that’s another tangent for another thread.

 

[ArmyJerry]

the courts are as corrupt as the rest of the government, not to be trusted with power they think they have. FISA demonstrates this as ell as douche bag Roberts

 

[diverdon]

The court would side with the government on this.

By the time it worked it's way up RBG will be replaced.

 

[ArmyJerry]

RBG is looking to have the life span of a goddam vampire,,,,hell that makes sense now.

 

[bigdaddydmd]

News story I read reported he purchased a M14 with the serial number ground off. Funny, how the house was raided two weeks after his wife's passing. Bet it was in-laws that turned him in.

 

[MtnCreek]

Unregistered MG in violation of '34 nfa.
Obliterated serial # in violation of '68 gca.
Pot.

No way in hell any gun rights group would take that; it's a loser. Probably 8:1 against with the current court.

 

[TanktheFrank]

Further reinforcement of the "keep it to yourself" aspect when it comes to what you have, regardless of legality. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he knew exactly what he had and that it was not legal, and showed off his coolest piece to the wrong person. Either he spouted off to the wrong person or he showed the wrong collector/ enthusiast, because how many people can tell the difference between a select fire m14 and an M1A? Yes there are features that differentiate them that are obvious to those in the know, but you're average Joe probably couldn't tell.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Fuck Ronald Reagan, biggest sellout, more gun laws amnesty that lost Cali.

 

[RyanScott]

Fuck Ronald Reagan, biggest sellout, more gun laws amnesty that lost Cali.

You don’t support the FOPA?

 

[RTH1800]

Someone did not like the will.

 

[Mooncake]

Unregistered MG in violation of '34 nfa.
Obliterated serial # in violation of '68 gca.
Pot.

No way in hell any gun rights group would take that; it's a loser. Probably 8:1 against with the current court.

This. Nobody is going to champion this case. It's unfortunate: he's in violation of unconstitutional laws, all of them, even the pot prohibition. I don't smoke it, but it's asinine that people go to jail for it. Being a war hero only goes so far -- I personally think it should go a lot farther but when you break a bunch of laws you go to jail.

 

[Fig]

You don’t support the FOPA?

Certainly parts of it I don't,...like all the bullshit Democrat amendments (bullshitted through by Charles Rangel) that poisoned it.

 

[diverdon]

Some douche must have turned him in.

Anyone wanna bet that it was not someone who came to his house to express their "condolences" after his wife's death? I hope the informant is eventually revealed.

 

[W54/XM-388]

This. Nobody is going to champion this case. It's unfortunate: he's in violation of unconstitutional laws, all of them, even the pot prohibition. I don't smoke it, but it's asinine that people go to jail for it. Being a war hero only goes so far -- I personally think it should go a lot farther but when you break a bunch of laws you go to jail.

The sad part about this, is there is a very good chance that before he dies the pot may no longer be a crime, but he will still be marked as a criminal for it, even though what he did might by that time be perfectly legal.

But then I'm one of the type that asks why rather than just saying "we'll it's a law somebody made so we must worship it".

 

[Fig]

As far as I'm concerned there are plenty of "Law and Order" Republicans, of the variety who are for the rigorous enforcement of any and every law on the books no matter how stupid or unconstitutional, are WORSE than leftist scum. In order to worship the law like that you have to worship the booger eating, moron politicians who write the law. You have to ignore how blatantly unconstitutional so many laws are, even when in direct opposition to our Constitution. Calling yourself anything but a fascist is a misnomer. You're a fucking rule following piece of shit with no set morals or principals.

Fealty to The Law is the job of lawyers and judges (which they fail miserably at all the time). State and Federal laws and statutes are not only NOT a substitute for ethics and morals, they are often in direct opposition to morality and our founding principals. Loyalty to them means you're a fucking idiot and nothing more. You're the kind of person who believes that if slavery or abortion is legal that makes it right, and I don't want to fucking know you.

Honestly, this makes me angrier than the Aunt Tiffa shit. At least those communists are honest about wanting to destroy our country. Rule following Republicans are worse than sheep. There is no one easier to manipulate, or who had failed in citizenship more completely all they while believing they are the "good guys" because they never fail to obey.

 

[diverdon]

Unregistered MG in violation of '34 nfa.
Obliterated serial # in violation of '68 gca.
Pot.

No way in hell any gun rights group would take that; it's a loser. Probably 8:1 against with the current court.

If you want to overturn those unconstitutional laws (as I do) then you will need to find a case where someone was convicted of breaking them then assert that the laws themselves are contrary to the Constitution. That should not be all that hard as they are.

 

[MtnCreek]

I agree with you, but I don't think the majority of the SCOTUS agrees with us. Even Scalia stated in (I think) Heller that some regulation was permissible. Thomas would likely be the lone vote to overturn the NFA or GCA as unconstitutional. Gorsuch (spelling?) might make two. I'd rather have no new ruling than another ruling upholding the NFA as constitutional.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Actually you shouldn't attack the small fry of the NFA, what you should go for is the actual root of so much evil in our country.
The government being able to twist the (utterly stupidly given) near unlimited ability to tax, into a perversion where they unconstitutionally ban or control things by making a law that you need to pay a tax just to have something regardless of commerce and then refuse to let you pay the tax and then go after you for not paying the tax.

You might actually get a lot of support in that, as you could drag in a whole bunch of other supporters from people not usually associated with our cause & get that overturned, then all those laws based on it go out the window and the politicians have to try to get new ones passed.

 

[ArmyJerry]

nope its illegal and not needed either, the 2nd amendment is clear, why would I need some scumbag ti write a separate law restricting and infringing on the 2A? you fucktards that insist on settling somewhere between slave and serf are just as big of a problem as those trying to enslave us so grow a goddam pair of fucking balls and stop the slow motion surrender ferkrissakes.

You don’t support the FOPA?

 

[Fig]

Actually you shouldn't attack the small fry of the NFA, what you should go for is the actual root of so much evil in our country.
The government being able to twist the (utterly stupidly given) near unlimited ability to tax, into a perversion where they unconstitutionally ban or control things by making a law that you need to pay a tax just to have something regardless of commerce and then refuse to let you pay the tax and then go after you for not paying the tax.

You might actually get a lot of support in that, as you could drag in a whole bunch of other supporters from people not usually associated with our cause & get that overturned, then all those laws based on it go out the window and the politicians have to try to get new ones passed.

We can’t roll 100 years of abuse back all at once peacefully. We have to chip away at it.

 

[RyanScott]

Certainly parts of it I don't,...like all the bullshit Democrat amendments (bullshitted through by Charles Rangel) that poisoned it.

I agree but it was that or nothing.

nope its illegal and not needed either, the 2nd amendment is clear, why would I need some scumbag ti write a separate law restricting and infringing on the 2A? you fucktards that insist on settling somewhere between slave and serf are just as big of a problem as those trying to enslave us so grow a goddam pair of fucking balls and stop the slow motion surrender ferkrissakes.

So you’d like to go back to having to register ammunition sales?

 

[ArmyJerry]

why do you think you can chip away peacefully, there is zero evidence that works, ever, not even with trump.

We can’t roll 100 years of abuse back all at once peacefully. We have to chip away at it.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I'd like them to enforce that with armed agents of the state. that would bring clarity to a lot of skardey cat half free hand wringers who are on their knees and looking to leave a shitty legacy of serfdom/slave life for there children. if you find yourself begging for rights you dont have any.

I agree but it was that or nothing.

So you’d like to go back to having to register ammunition sales?

 

[Fig]

Well, the drip/drip of socialism is working for them. We ought to have the same program of rolling their shit back all the way to the New Deal bullshit.

But, we may not have to. Entitlement spending is already 70% of the budget. Interest rates don't have to climb much till mandatory spending exceeds 100% of our revenue, at which point ANYTHING else is borrowed money. They're bankrupting us a lot faster than we can roll their socialism back. Honestly the problem may correct itself if we have economic collapse because out government couldn't control it's budget. That would set things right for a couple of generations.

 

[MtnCreek]

Well, the drip/drip of socialism is working for them. We ought to have the same program of rolling their shit back all the way to the New Deal bullshit.

But, we may not have to. Entitlement spending is already 70% of the budget. Interest rates don't have to climb much till mandatory spending exceeds 100% of our revenue, at which point ANYTHING else is borrowed money. They're bankrupting us a lot faster than we can roll their socialism back. Honestly the problem may correct itself if we have economic collapse because out government couldn't control it's budget. That would set things right for a couple of generations.

If you can convince them to reduce their birth rate to below replacement and import millions / yr of freedom loving people, the drip/drip method might work. Worked on us.

Collapse is the way it will get corrected. Or maybe just changed and not really corrected. No telling what will come after.

 

[RTH1800]

BTW,

If said rifle was in fact an M14 the removal of the SN and fun switch would have been very conspicuous. The guy knew he was breaking the law. Someone who liked his wife but not him turned him in as soon as she was gone.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Entitlement spending is already 70% of the budget. Interest rates don't have to climb much till mandatory spending exceeds 100% of our revenue, at which point ANYTHING else is borrowed money. They're bankrupting us a lot faster than we can roll their socialism back. Honestly the problem may correct itself if we have economic collapse because out government couldn't control it's budget. That would set things right for a couple of generations.

If it gets to the point that the problem "corrects itself", it's going to be a really bad time for everyone except the elites.
Imagine what will happen if everybody woke up and found their social security gone, all entitlement programs gone, all your "private" IRAs and 401ks vanished & your money that you thought you had frozen in the bank with no idea when you might get it back. But taxes are still due and higher than ever.....

If you think that's far fetched, you might want to go visit Greece, Cyprus, Ireland and have a little talk with some of the working class folk.

It will get worse than depression level bad, in the end it may fix things for a couple generations, but the generation that has to pay the bills all the others stacked up will be really hurting. And probably even after they set things right some ungrateful Grandchildren will be busy messing the whole thing up again.

You'll notice that the Fed which was helping the messiah keep interest rates stupidly low for his whole reign has now started ratcheting up the interest rate hikes rapidly under Trump... almost like somebody wants to see if the market can be made to crash to hurt Trump...

 

[Fig]

Well, if you are in your mid 40s and think you're going to get all that SS money they stole from you I have a bridge to sell you.

There is no way to unfuck that Ponzie scheme. It was built to fail. The bill is about to come due, and it is my generation X that is going to pay the piper, and anyone paying attention has known this since high school, so any bitching will be utter crap. We didn't do this, but we're going to pay for it, and once we do if it isn't set right then we deserve to fail.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Well, if you are in your mid 40s and think you're going to get all that SS money they stole from you I have a bridge to sell you.

Don't count on getting to keep your IRA and 401k money either, you'll find it all suddenly evaporates as you are locked out of it if things go really bad on the market. (thanks to some nice financial "reforms" regulations snuck in). That's if the government doesn't step in to "help" and "save" you by taking it all away from those bad bankers and putting it under the control of the government "for your own good" to be dived up as they see fit.

 

[W54/XM-388]

We didn't do this, but we're going to pay for it, and once we do if it isn't set right then we deserve to fail.

By the time you get around to realizing you are paying for it, they hope that you are old, weak, frail & easy to kill off in the hospitals / nursing homes. They plan to have a huge mass of Communist indoctrinated youth that are happy to dispose of you as the useless old people. Unless the right people are in charge, there won't be any "setting it right" rather just an excuse to move onto the next Communist utopia.

 

[EXTREMEPREJUDICE]

By the time it worked it's way up RBG will be replaced.

We can only hope!

 

[RTH1800]

They already have a huge group of communist youth ready to launch.

 

[TheGerman]

If:

My wife had just died.

I'm 70+ years old.

I have a machine gun.


Going to jail over some bureaucrats bullshit is not in my future.

 

[ArmyJerry]

by now you should have enough ammo, if not, Darwin will fix that.

They already have a huge group of communist youth ready to launch.

 

[diverdon]

If:

My wife had just died.

I'm 70+ years old.

I have a machine gun.


Going to jail over some bureaucrats bullshit is not in my future.

I doubt he has another machine gun and most likely the BATF took the one he had. Yet you do make an excellent point, perhaps the deep state selected him for enforcement hoping to generate martyrs and talking points.

 

[woogie_man]

Isnt shackleford the name dale gribble uses in king of the hill.

 

[308pirate]

Don't count on getting to keep your IRA and 401k money either, you'll find it all suddenly evaporates as you are locked out of it if things go really bad on the market. (thanks to some nice financial "reforms" regulations snuck in). That's if the government doesn't step in to "help" and "save" you by taking it all away from those bad bankers and putting it under the control of the government "for your own good" to be dived up as they see fit.

You have to be willing to liquidate and withdraw before things reach that point. Worry about tax penalties later. If you get lucky there will be no one left willing to collect that tax due to the on the job risk.