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@Zak Smith this is excellent, thanks for the writeup. A while back (maybe at the introduction of the Gen 2 Ultra line?) there was a chart published that showed the 30 cal and 6.5 cal Ultras and the NR at the shooters ear from different rifles. I thought I saved it but can't find it. Is that chart still published and out there somewhere?Hi,
Based on what you already have and the presumption of not wanting to duplicate too much, I'd suggest these options:
1. Magnus or 338 Ultra Gen2. For maximum suppression period. The Magnus in CB or HUB mode is only 9" long, same as an Ultra 9, but way quieter. Let's not forget that 1.5"x9" long cans were the "standard full rifle suppressor" size until recently. The Magnus CB/HUB isn't any longer than this.
2. Ultra 5. For very small/light. Ultra 7 is almost as light but suppresses better.
3. Dominus-K-SR or Dominus-SR. For a fighting rifle.
To answer your questions specifically:
The Ultra 5, 7, and 9 are sort of in one "family", the 1.5" diameter. The 5 and 7 are very quiet for their size (volume) and weight, and are probably the best suppressing cans per ounce out there. The 338 Ultra and Magnus are sort of in another family, the 1.8" diameter design class for full size cans. The 338 Ultra just shares the Ultra name due to history. The Dominus-SR and Dominus-K-SR were made specifically for semi and full autos like the MK18, other SBR's, 308 SBR's and battle rifles, and don't share the same internal baffle design pattern of the Magnus/338Ultra. The Magnus internals aren't better or worse or newer or older than the Gen2 Ultra/Magnus baffles, it's just that to get the level of suppression we wanted in the Dominus-SR (ie the length specification) and have it work well on gas guns, we had to go a different baffle design.
Ultra 7 vs. 9, I'd say a better question is Ultra 7 vs Magnus. In that case, Magnus for max suppression in a .30 cal can. The Ultra 7 if you want good suppression but more compact.
The SR mount is the best mount we make. It had the same accuracy/repeatability as CB/BA/DT but mounts quicker and has a secondary lock. This is the lock we submitted on the 338 Ultra SR that AI submitted to ASR with. The way it works it is impossible for it to be "off by one" click, like many mounts that have accuracy problems. The SR mount permits cans that are otherwise good for F/A firing schedules to be rated F/A on mount retention also. The CB mount is sufficient for almost all precision rifle and semi auto shooters. It has better retention than a DT setup. The HUB mount on the Magnus is an experiment for us and is intended for people who already have an investment in another mount system and know that that system meets their needs (ie, it's on you).
Yes, a DT can is more likely to loosen vs. a CB/BA/SR suppressor.
So would you say the Dominus is preferable to the Magnus on a gas-fed platform? Not concerned about full-auto rating, purely on gas system operation.The Magnus internals aren't better or worse or newer or older than the Gen2 Ultra/Magnus baffles, it's just that to get the level of suppression we wanted in the Dominus-SR (ie the length specification) and have it work well on gas guns, we had to go a different baffle design.
I actually have a Dominus K-SR and I’m considering picking a Magnus, but my chief concern is interoperability between gas powered platforms without adjustable gas (e.g. KAC, ignoring the muzzle device problem for this conversation) and my bolt guns.Between the Dominus-K-SR, Dominus-SR, and Magnus-SR, I pick the one solely based on how quiet I want it to be, vs. how much overall length I can put up with. The Magnus is overall quieter than the Dominus by quite a bit. The port pop might be louder on the longer can, but that impulse is very short compared to the overall outgassing of the suppressor (which is significantly quieter on the Magnus). This is on uppers than either run fine suppressed or are tuned to run with an Ultra5 or Dominus-K-SR (ie, a short can).
To answer your question with a different criteria, the Dominus-SR is probably my favorite on a gas gun overall because it's not too big but suppresses well.
I went with the Magnus-HUB for my AR10, and bought direct thread as well as the DA Xeno, we will see which one I like better. I did not care about length, this gun is not built for run and gun. I have a SBR 300BLK suppressed for that.Between the Dominus-K-SR, Dominus-SR, and Magnus-SR, I pick the one solely based on how quiet I want it to be, vs. how much overall length I can put up with. The Magnus is overall quieter than the Dominus by quite a bit. The port pop might be louder on the longer can, but that impulse is very short compared to the overall outgassing of the suppressor (which is significantly quieter on the Magnus). This is on uppers than either run fine suppressed or are tuned to run with an Ultra5 or Dominus-K-SR (ie, a short can).
To answer your question with a different criteria, the Dominus-SR is probably my favorite on a gas gun overall because it's not too big but suppresses well.
If you're interested, shoot me a PM & I'll explain to you what I did to solve this exact problem on an SR-25. I don't know that it's THE way to do it, but it looks good & has been working fine thus far.I actually have a Dominus K-SR and I’m considering picking a Magnus, but my chief concern is interoperability between gas powered platforms without adjustable gas (e.g. KAC, ignoring the muzzle device problem for this conversation) and my bolt guns.
A bootleg adjustable carrier will solve this problem. I run them on my SR15's and Colts. Gemtech did or does make a 7,62 adjustable carrier as well.I actually have a Dominus K-SR and I’m considering picking a Magnus, but my chief concern is interoperability between gas powered platforms without adjustable gas (e.g. KAC, ignoring the muzzle device problem for this conversation) and my bolt guns.
Nope don't need to be timed. I actually locked the brake into my suppressor to just turn it into a direct thread.Do the cb mounts have to be timed if you are not planning to shoot the rifle without the suppressor on the mount. Don’t want to loctite the cb to barrel, may want to shoot the rifle without suppressor and don’t want a brake on it
So just tighten the cb to barrel and screw the can on and should be gtg? I assume you used high temp loctite to lock them togetherNope don't need to be timed. I actually locked the brake into my suppressor to just turn it into a direct thread.