Suppressors Thunder Beast lead times...

[SBT GMG]

As of early March, a shooting buddy of mine ordered an Ultra7 from Bison Tactical, that Fred was able to locate from another dealer. Find a dealer willing to do a little searching, or look yourself and you'll likely find what you want. It cost $100 extra, due to forms/transfer/shipping, but in the end saved roughly a years time based on estimates of TBAC's lead times on new production delivery.
There may be other cans that can do the job that you want done. I don't have any experience with Banish, I have lots of experience with older designs that I wasn't happy with for precision shooting. I recently picked up my Ultra 7 and an impressed with that, so far.
The fact that TBAC has a year backlog in this supressor rich market is probably the biggest indicator of who is making the best product at this time.

 

[pucker]

The fact that TBAC has a year backlog in this supressor rich market is probably the biggest indicator of who is making the best product at this time.

Bingo... you always pick the restaurant with a full parking lot.

 

[LG65CM]

Just asking. I and my shooting partner have started discussing getting suppressors. Old ears getting older. TBAC's seem to be the most often recommended in threads and is being favored by us, regardless of wait times. Which brings me to my question-

In this thread it seems like the main objection to the Bannish is it's threaded and a person said with aluminum tubes this thread would wear. I went to the Co's websitet and their suppressors are made with Titanium alloy. Would this make a difference in thread wear and tear objection?

I kinda like the idea of being able to disassemble the suppressor and being able to clean it. But am just beginning to learn about suppressors. Sorry if I am in anyway hijacking the thread. Pun intended. Thanx , lg

 

[Lunchbox27]

Just asking. I and my shooting partner have started discussing getting suppressors. Old ears getting older. TBAC's seem to be the most often recommended in threads and is being favored by us, regardless of wait times. Which brings me to my question-

In this thread it seems like the main objection to the Bannish is it's threaded and a person said with aluminum tubes this thread would wear. I went to the Co's websitet and their suppressors are made with Titanium alloy. Would this make a difference in thread wear and tear objection?

I kinda like the idea of being able to disassemble the suppressor and being able to clean it. But am just beginning to learn about suppressors. Sorry if I am in anyway hijacking the thread. Pun intended. Thanx , lg

22 LR and/Pistol suppressors : Go for a user serviceable, take down suppressor

Rifle calibers: Sealed/welded baffle suppressor

There are a ton of rifle suppressors on the market, however when it comes to precision, repeatability, and customer service, Thunderbeast leads the way. They also offer one free cleaning a year.

 

[Supersubes]

Just asking. I and my shooting partner have started discussing getting suppressors. Old ears getting older. TBAC's seem to be the most often recommended in threads and is being favored by us, regardless of wait times. Which brings me to my question-

In this thread it seems like the main objection to the Bannish is it's threaded and a person said with aluminum tubes this thread would wear. I went to the Co's websitet and their suppressors are made with Titanium alloy. Would this make a difference in thread wear and tear objection?

I kinda like the idea of being able to disassemble the suppressor and being able to clean it. But am just beginning to learn about suppressors. Sorry if I am in anyway hijacking the thread. Pun intended. Thanx , lg

The poster thinks a dirty can shoots poorly due to buildup, and needs to be squeaky clean for best performance. Then he defeats his own argument by necessitating a multi-piece can. As if that’s somehow straighter and more repeatable than a fully welded can that’s known for being very straight to begin with. I’m sure the Banish is a good can, his justification for it is just lacking imo.

 

[Zak Smith]

Hi,

Suppressors - Thunder Beast vs?

Is Bannish a new name from Mack Bros.?

www.snipershide.com

^^ Here's a post I did that laid out the reasons we make our main-line rifle cans as not take apart.

 

[deersniper]

Hi,

Suppressors - Thunder Beast vs?

Is Bannish a new name from Mack Bros.?

www.snipershide.com

^^ Here's a post I did that laid out the reasons we make our main-line rifle cans as not take apart.

Hire some men and machines! I just ordered a dominus lol.

 

[TNhuntsman]

As soon as the 22 takedown shows in stock, I'm ordering one, hopefully that will be soon, the stamp wait is long enough already.

 

[Zak Smith]

Best way to find a 22 TD is to see which dealers recently got some and who is about to get some

Thunder Beast Arms Corporation [TBAC] | Availability

 

[Zak Smith]

Hire some men and machines! I just ordered a dominus lol.

We are, all the time. Some big new exciting machines coming online about now

 

[USMC mustang]

Looking at buying a Thunder Beast Ultra 7” 30 cal, but my local dealer here in MI never sold them so they don’t stock them. Other dealers that I called are out of stock. With the lead times being something like Jun 2021 what other suppressors should I be looking at that are comparable to the ultra 7” in performance, weight, length, and price?

MIke High has Ultra 7s in stock now

 

[LeftyJason]

We are, all the time. Some big new exciting machines coming online about now

What machines? Some of us are interested in the hardware.

 

[Zak Smith]

The 2nd most recent was a MX-330, the first most recent is a secret...

 

[LeftyJason]

The 2nd most recent was a MX-330, the first most recent is a secret...

Sweet machine! When you can let us know. There is some awesome stuff out there.

For everyone else to see one check out this video. They show a mx330 starting at the 18:34 mark.

This channel goes lots of cool places and shows American manufacturing (even Area 419).

 

[Zak Smith]

We have the pallet loader and the gigantic tool changer on that one. It's awesome.

 

[Smith1175]

MIke High has Ultra 7s in stock now

Really? I just checked on their site and it says they are out of stock...

 

[deersniper]

Accessories - Tbac ultra 7, ultra 9, ultra 223

Hey I have a tbac ultra 7 with a small scratch that hat has maybe 100 rounds threw it ($950 obo), and tbac ultra 9 with lesss than 20 rounds threw it. ($975) both with muzzlebreaks and a 223 ultra 7 direct 1/2x28 threads($800).

www.snipershide.com

 

[USMC mustang]

Really? I just checked on their site and it says they are out of stock...

Call them, they just received them a few days ago. The website hasn’t been updated.

 

[Smith1175]

Accessories - Tbac ultra 7, ultra 9, ultra 223

Hey I have a tbac ultra 7 with a small scratch that hat has maybe 100 rounds threw it ($950 obo), and tbac ultra 9 with lesss than 20 rounds threw it. ($975) both with muzzlebreaks and a 223 ultra 7 direct 1/2x28 threads($800).

www.snipershide.com

I messaged that dude a few days ago and haven't heard back.

 

[chrome]

...but it is all BS as best I can tell. So are their claims about accuracy. There isn't a can out there that can keep up with, much less beat, my Banish as far as accuracy goes....

@LG65CM - take this post above with a huge grain of salt. It a extremely biased, N=1 based experience, unscientific statement, and goes against the larger consensus in the suppressor industry.

 

[usmc45]

Yeah, but...but....but his is better. To each their own, some guys love their Quigley Ford and are convinced S&B are over priced shit. My Grandpa always told me there no arguing with stupid. You'll lose every time. Seriously though, as long as these guys are happy with their gear, good for them.

 

[chrome]

Yeah, but...but....but his is better. To each their own, some guys love their Quigley Ford and are convinced S&B are over priced shit. My Grandpa always told me there no arguing with stupid. You'll lose every time. Seriously though, as long as these guys are happy with their gear, good for them.

Totally, no problem with everyone having their favorite kit, I am biased towards certain brands with this hobby. But I try not to make vacuous, unscientific claims about those brands that are only supported by poorly crafted, narrow, first hand experience that goes against larger consensus, especially to brand new shooters/users who are trying to learn.

 

[22-Dasher]

Silencer Central (fka Dakota Silencer) has been producing suppressors designed for the user to take apart and clean for 15 years. Neither on this site or any other have I ever heard of anyone having any problems with threads wearing out. However, I do think it is wise to keep those "take apart" threads clean and lightly lubricated. I use pure silicone grease, which works splendidly, one reason being the precision with which the baffle stack compression-seals against the back of the tube and against the end-cap when you snug it down tight. The fit of the baffles to each other is also very tight. When I disassemble I find very little carbon on the outside of the baffle stack, meaning very little gets to the "take apart" threads, esp. when compared to how much carbon gets on the mounting threads.

Having had a sealed suppressor for years and a user-serviceable suppressor for a couple of years I think the user-serviceable is much better. The makers of sealed cans dream up theoretical problems with user-serviceable cans (like the "threads wearing out" or "the baffles getting loose"), but it is all BS as best I can tell. So are their claims about accuracy. There isn't a can out there that can keep up with, much less beat, my Banish as far as accuracy goes.

It's also nice to know that if I get carried away with my rate of fire and toast the back baffle it is a cheap and easy to just replace it, as opposed to a sealed can which must be cut apart to replace a baffle (and you will be paying for it because you exceeded their maximum temperature limit).

Anyway, your idea is correct -- user serviceable is the way to go unless you want one rated for a high rate of fire and/or super-short barrels, or you want something bigger than 30-cal.

Well I think you have clearly ignored direct orders to let your opinion, thread hi-jacking, and obviously false statements go. It’s time:

 

[usmc45]

Totally, no problem with everyone having their favorite kit, I am biased towards certain brands with this hobby. But I try not to make vacuous, unscientific claims about those brands that are only supported by poorly crafted, narrow, first hand experience that goes against larger consensus, especially to brand new shooters/users who are trying to learn.

Totally agree with you. I was being a bit of a smart ass. He needs to talk about TBAC lead times or leave the thread.

 

[EnXCess]

I can't get behind his benchrest suppressor logic or the claim that TBAC suppressors don't shoot well but strictly speaking he's not wrong for reccomending or speaking about another suppressor.

Not to mention that I was responding to LG65CM's questions about take-apart suppressors, which had nothing to do with "lead times," and that several other people had responded to.

 

[hk401]

We are, all the time. Some big new exciting machines coming online about now

is that mean I will get my dominus SR serial number faster ?

 

[Zak Smith]

Hey, just to clarify, in my post about why our mainline centerfire cans are not take apart, I did not mention the threads wearing out. I think other people were arguing about that. I would classify "threads wearing out" as a "mostly" theoretical problem. It is possible for threads that get used a lot - ESPECIALLY TITANIUM THREADS - to get "boogered up". And yes, they can loosen up a little bit over time (ie, the thread mounting threads). But the other things I mentioned are 100% not theoretical. They are all reasons that we've experienced, tested, analyzed, etc with our cans and others. You can choose not to believe me if you want, I guess.

The logic that we are QUOTE "dreaming up theoretical problems" as reasons for people to buy sealed cans, because we make sealed cans, is majorly screwed up. It is easier to build screw-together/take-apart cans. It costs less. We already make at least a couple models that are "take apart." So the idea that we are somehow logistically locked into building sealed suppressors so we make up reasons that they are better makes no sense. We make them because we think they are better, when all the aspects of performance that we care about are taken into account, and our testing has borne this out.

 

[Zak Smith]

is that mean I will get my dominus SR serial number faster ?

Almost certainly yes...

 

[EnXCess]

It is possible for threads that get used a lot - ESPECIALLY TITANIUM THREADS - to get "boogered up". And yes, they can loosen up a little bit over time (ie, the thread mounting threads). But the other things I mentioned are 100% not theoretical. They are all reasons that we've experienced, tested, analyzed, etc with our cans and others. You can choose not to believe me if you want, I guess.

Okay, you came to one conclusion. The guys that make take-aparts came to another -- that whatever the advantages of welded cans, they are not as accurate as a (good) take-apart, due to the welds in the baffles. You think strength is paramount, they think accuracy is. That will vary between users, I'm sure.

But is that weld disruption true? I have no idea. Could just be marketing hype. But what I do know is that my take-aparts are extremely accurate.

I guess I just get tired of people claiming this or that welded can is "more accurate" than my take-aparts. I am frequently shooting right beside guys shooting every kind of can ever made. Some of them are very serious shooters, spending lots of money and time trying to develop tack-drivers. I just don't see them doing any better than I do with my take-aparts. Most don't do as well.

I am doing load development on my newly rebarreled rifle (7mm bore) using the 30-cal take-apart I recently got. I got the 5-shot groups at 100 yds down to this yesterday and called it good, because I think I am going to have to buy a new trigger if I want any hope of doing better. It's just too much of a fight to keep the + on the money all the way through the release.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I'll raise you five rounds.

 

[Zak Smith]

You think strength is paramount, they think accuracy is.

I'm pretty sure neither "them" nor us would think that statement is correct. I've written quite a bit about the various reasons why the Ultras (and 30CB's, 30BA's, 30P-1's, and 30P's before that) are welded. *One* reason is that if you hold everything else equal they are stronger. So you conclude that "TBAC thinks strength is paramount." That's taking like literally 3 words out of hundreds and using it to summarize our cans' purpose.

But is that weld disruption true?

No idea what this means, but we'll put our run-out against anybody's. One of the reasons our cans are accuracy is that they are straight.

Also, there is a lot of false equivalence going on in your posts. Here's an example. You are shooting like 0.4 ish groups. That's an accomplishment, and I'd say that anybody who is doing that has a very good rifle and is a very good shooter. Most rifle owners cannot do that. There are also a lot of cans out there, and most centerfire cans do not come apart (which is also a clue to something, but leave that aside for now). There are also a lot of inaccurate centerfire cans. But the conclusion you make from your observation is categorically that take-apart centerfire cans are better than fully welded centerfire cans, which is an errant conclusion from that data.

 

[Zak Smith]

Since now we're apparently editing posts to change the substance after that fact, I'll reply to that too:

that whatever the advantages of welded cans, they are not as accurate as a (good) take-apart, due to the welds in the baffles.

Does the manufacturer actually claim this? I mean, I don't see it in their marketing materials but maybe I missed it. I think you're just making it up.

A manufacturer would not use this logic because it would tell everyone that they don't know how to, or lack the technology to, weld a baffle stack together without warping it.

 

[Zak Smith]

And to be clear, here is where you said they actually came to this conclusion

The guys that make take-aparts came to another -- that whatever the advantages of welded cans, they are not as accurate as a (good) take-apart, due to the welds in the baffles.

 

[c ward]

Ha ha, all you 100yd group shooters. I'll raise you 200yds

Ultra7 on a Tikka and McGowen barrel
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Ultra 7 on an AI and Proof barrel
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Ultra 7 on a Bighorn TL3
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Ultra 7 on a 223 shooting ammo loaded on a 650
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I have full confidence that ThunderBeast cans shoot well. I could dig back through my phone and pull out a ton of great groups shot with my Ultra 7. Shooting 5rd .4" at 100 isn't that special.

And this is that dirty bastard with the brake stuck in it and what was it like 6 oz of carbon ??

 

[c ward]

But the evangelist keeps preaching dirty cans won't shoot , how can that be ?

 

[SRPowah]

Almost certain he works for them and just too scared or unprofessional to disclose it. I have talked to a couple of their salesman at AgShows up in the Dakotas and they both acted exactly like him. Almost word for word arguments that they gave me in person, more than once. My favorite was when they gave their long ass sales pitch just for me to tell them I am going with an Ultra 338. They don't offer a .338 suppressor. Instantly turned into a TBAC hit piece about why my selection is bad, but wouldn't tell me why their AAC recommendation was better. Just said its a better can. lol

I am not sure what their problem is. I like the idea of the Banish 30. I almost purchased one for my stepdad. Perfect for his uses. Its just a prettied up form 1 can at this point though.

To keep it on point, glad the wait time might be shrinking as I am hoping to place two TBAC orders this summer if finances work out.

 

[SBT GMG]

About 2.3" 5 shot group with a .308 custom bolt gun that I built, with a Ultra 7. Berger 175gn, 457 yards. A little under .5moa. The group below was basically the same load with a 175 SMK. I'll try again when it's not breezy....

 

[SBT GMG]

That Ultra 7 is not dirty, just got it a couple weeks ago. About 80 rounds use. So far, so good.

 

[c ward]

Cleaning the can has nothing to do with accuracy there has been no difference in accuracy in any of the TBAC cans I own from brand new to 5 ish oz of carbon build up .

 

[EnXCess]

Since now we're apparently editing posts to change the substance after that fact, I'll reply to that too:

Does the manufacturer actually claim this? I mean, I don't see it in their marketing materials but maybe I missed it. I think you're just making it up.

A manufacturer would not use this logic because it would tell everyone that they don't know how to, or lack the technology to, weld a baffle stack together without warping it.

Or perhaps they see advantages to having take-apart baffles.

No, I did not "make it up." From their website, talking about the history of the Varminter:

"Accuracy enhancing due to no welding, all parts of The Titanium Varminter 2.0 are custom fit together to ensure no stress factors which are created by traditional welding of other higher mass production silencers. Tube started as a solid titanium bar and was then machined down to increase tube thickness beyond standard available tubing, again working to pull heat from the blast quicker. Baffle structure started with a solid bar, CNC machined from proprietary corrosion resistant SS alloy for maintenance-free use and limited lifetime warranty."

 

[EnXCess]

Almost certain he works for them and just too scared or unprofessional to disclose it.

Gosh, well then I should receive my first check from them soon, right? Instead of me just sending them money?

Since you spend so much time talking to their "salesmen" maybe you could mention that check request for me.

 

[Zak Smith]

Wow! They actually said that. Also if their baffles are SS but tube Ti, they don't really have an option to weld them in the first place.

 

[EnXCess]

That was the model they were making 10 years ago. Everything is Ti now.

 

[Lunchbox27]

How about this... watch the two videos below and repeat what Ray does. Film yourself shooting a 5 shot group at distance (700-1000 yards). After each shot, take the Banish 30 off, disassemble, reassemble until you have fire all 5, then move out to the target un-edited and show us. A simple request that would back up everything you are saying the Banish is capable of.

TBAC’s reliability, accuracy, and repeatability has been proven. I have yet to see any proof that matches what you have claimed the Banish can accomplish.

 

[JMGlasgow]

I waited 8 months for a serial # from TBAC, and I'm glad I did. I'm local to them and the people there have been nothing but helpful with questions. They also made sure my paperwork packet was in order and all the i's dotted before sending it to the alphabet's.

 

[c ward]

How about this... watch the two videos below and repeat what Ray does. Film yourself shooting a 5 shot group at distance (700-1000 yards). After each shot, take the Banish 30 off, disassemble, reassemble until you have fire all 5, then move out to the target un-edited and show us. A simple request that would back up everything you are saying the Banish is capable of.

TBAC’s reliability, accuracy, and repeatability has been proven. I have yet to see any proof that matches what you have claimed the Banish can accomplish.

Not gonna happen . The evangelist has ignored these videos and requests to duplicate in other threads and just ignored all the groups that others posted up since it didn't confirm his beliefs .

 

[pucker]

Ugh...this thread is about TBAC lead times.

 

[22-Dasher]

Thread should be renamed. “101 Reasons Why NOT to Buy A Banish Suppressor”. Actually there is one very good reason right in this thread why I wouldn’t even consider it.

 

[Sportin Wood]

I got my 22 take down serial number 2 weeks ago and I'm waiting on a serial number for my Dominus. Ordered in February. The wait now starts as I sent in the application for the 22 last week.

 

[hk401]

I got my 22 take down serial number 2 weeks ago and I'm waiting on a serial number for my Dominus. Ordered in March. The wait now starts as I sent in the application for the 22 last week.

What is your estimated time for the Dominus?