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Thunder Beast Suppressors.
- Thread starter BigTy313
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If you can get your hands on one the only downside I've experienced is the wait time for stamp approval.
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What’s your use for it? For precision or hunting use, I say go for it. If you want something for subsonic use I would look at the omega.
I have the ultra 7 and my friends have the omega. For precision shooting there is very little difference (assuming Area419 mounts used on everything). The ultra 7’s subsonic performance is not very good and no where close to the omega. Then again that’s not what the Ultra 7 is designed for.
I got use for hunting and PRS which is why I chose the ultra 7.
I have the ultra 7 and my friends have the omega. For precision shooting there is very little difference (assuming Area419 mounts used on everything). The ultra 7’s subsonic performance is not very good and no where close to the omega. Then again that’s not what the Ultra 7 is designed for.
I got use for hunting and PRS which is why I chose the ultra 7.
I am on the same page as you are, I want it for hunting and eventually PRS. When I can find the time.
This^^^ Have 4 TBAC cans including 2 Ultra 7's and can't go wrong with them. Finding one is another issue.
I saw the Dominus cans as well you will have to post on here as well on how they preform side by side.
No huge difference. The Dominus is shorter, fatter, and quieter but only by small amounts. The Dominus was designfor reduced back pressure for AR use but it helps reduce to the “push” on a bolt action as well.
TBAC states that only the SR version is full auto rated since is has second retention but the CB version can handle it “at your own risk”
The improvements to the gen 2 ultras are pretty fricken impressive too. On paper it doesn't seem like much, but they shaved 18% off of it which makes the new U7 nearly the weight of the old U5. It’s quieter also. Crazy considering gen 1 was the lightest in the class by a margin to begin with.
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The omega may be quieter, but the tbac feels a whole lot nicer when swinging it back and forth between steel targets. The longer the barrel, the bigger the difference. I know it's only 4 1/2 oz, but when it's at the end of the barrel it's a big deal. To me anyway.
I'd give up a few db in sound suppression to shave off a few ounces from a suppressor any day. If tbac came out with a suppressor that was louder and lighter I'd probably swap out the ultra.
IMO, the biggest mistake people make when choosing a suppressor is focusing too much on minute differences in sound without focusing on dimensions, weight and POI shift, whether it's for a 300blk sbr or a precision rig.
I actually think the tbac is hands down the better choice for subs. I'd only opt for the omega if you're launching supers down range fast, and if you can afford to do mag dumps of 5.56 or 300blk right now, fuck it. Get both. And maybe a few more.
I dont think anyone will be able to afford that right now. I agree, the weight is one big factor that I just bought one. It took some calling but I found one just waiting for it to ship.
It really is a great can. You'll like it a lot. I have zero brand loyalty and I'm friggin' impossible to please. I can find something I don't like or want to change with just about every firearms purchase I've ever made. The ultra 7 is one of just a few exceptions.
If I had to pick it apart, I'd say the biggest downside is that it heats up pretty fast shooting supers on a semi.
Good to know, my plain is mainly hunting with a bolt gun so that wont be an issue fo me.
Hey, nice MI buck ya got there in your profile pic! He’s a beaut.! I hunt Washtenaw County in the LP and Schoolcraft County in the UP!
A bit of a thread resurrection here:
I have seen TB Ultra 7s and 9s on bolt guns, so I know how they perform in that realm. But how do the TB Ultras do with a gas gun? Specifically a 5.56 AR with a 16ish barrel? I see that Thunder beast discontinued the 223 Ultra and now recommends the 6.5 Ultra 7 Gen 2 as the replacement for the 223.
BTW: To clarify, I am talking about how the can affects rifle function. Not so concerned with actual sound suppression, I know that is going to be good either way.
I have seen TB Ultra 7s and 9s on bolt guns, so I know how they perform in that realm. But how do the TB Ultras do with a gas gun? Specifically a 5.56 AR with a 16ish barrel? I see that Thunder beast discontinued the 223 Ultra and now recommends the 6.5 Ultra 7 Gen 2 as the replacement for the 223.
BTW: To clarify, I am talking about how the can affects rifle function. Not so concerned with actual sound suppression, I know that is going to be good either way.
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TBAC are great cans, the only downside is that they don't use 1.375x24 threads, so mounting options are proprietary to TBAC mounts only. So, if you're invested in other brand's mounts, there might be a downside to the TBAC.
They're also rather pricey compared to some other brands. But TBAC is one of the best on the market as far as quality goes. If it weren't for the proprietary QD mounting, and the fact that you can NEVER find direct-thread U7 or U9 cans in stock anywhere, I would have one. Maybe someday I'll come across a DT U7 or U9 .30 caliber can, and I'll buy it.
They're also rather pricey compared to some other brands. But TBAC is one of the best on the market as far as quality goes. If it weren't for the proprietary QD mounting, and the fact that you can NEVER find direct-thread U7 or U9 cans in stock anywhere, I would have one. Maybe someday I'll come across a DT U7 or U9 .30 caliber can, and I'll buy it.
Depends on purpose of rifle. For precision, my experience with my 30 P1 is that there is no rival. My only complaint is that after transitioning to a gas gun, the blowback/"dirtiness" is pretty high with TBAC. Mine is used for hunting exclusively, so it isn't that much of an issue, except that hunting pigs in Texas I can have some fairly high volume of fire outings. I just know I need to clean the rifle after every outing, preferably every 20 rounds. Otherwise I start to have issues with function of rifle, primarily stoppages due to a very dirty chamber.
But that is my only complaint. It has served me well for the last ten+ years.
If I was going to shoot high volume as the primary purpose of the GAS rifle, I would go with something else, probably a surefire. With a bolt gun it wasn't an issue.
You're probably going to get the same amount of back pressure as any other can. Keep in mind it's not full auto rated, so mag dumps aren't a great idea. If its going to be a dedicated gas gun can, I'd probably be looking for an OSS to reduce the back pressure or some other full auto rated can if you need quieter than the OSS.
I have both Ultra gen 1 & Omega
omega is a great can
for bolt gun primary use id go Ultra gen 2
Direct thread on every can, less tolerance stacking and no need to mount or spend $$$ on expensive mounts
The only quick release for suppressors I like is Surefire, but I would not use them for Bolt guns
get two (One for bolt, one for gas gun) if you can afford it and do the work/wait once
Use a trust.
use some kind of cheap thread protector on barrel when your suppressor is not installed if using direct thread
it's worth the wait.
omega is a great can
for bolt gun primary use id go Ultra gen 2
Direct thread on every can, less tolerance stacking and no need to mount or spend $$$ on expensive mounts
The only quick release for suppressors I like is Surefire, but I would not use them for Bolt guns
get two (One for bolt, one for gas gun) if you can afford it and do the work/wait once
Use a trust.
use some kind of cheap thread protector on barrel when your suppressor is not installed if using direct thread
it's worth the wait.
Personal choice here, and others will likely disagree but unless youre hunting or otherwise shooting without earpro
id go with the 7" model to save some weight and handles slightly better sliding in and out of barricade type stuff
also go with .30 cal/.308 model as it allows you more options in what the can will shoot- more flexibility for the future- unless you KNOW its a dedicated competition can and will only ever shoot little pills
a few DB louder but easy tradeoff if youre wearing earpro all the time anyway
(6.5 or 5.56 is a smaller hole... .308 or .300 anything is no go shooting out of those models)
.30cal cans will shoot .223 5.56 6mm 6.5 .300 .308
and obvious, but dont shoot .22lr through a centerfire can
id go with the 7" model to save some weight and handles slightly better sliding in and out of barricade type stuff
also go with .30 cal/.308 model as it allows you more options in what the can will shoot- more flexibility for the future- unless you KNOW its a dedicated competition can and will only ever shoot little pills
a few DB louder but easy tradeoff if youre wearing earpro all the time anyway
(6.5 or 5.56 is a smaller hole... .308 or .300 anything is no go shooting out of those models)
.30cal cans will shoot .223 5.56 6mm 6.5 .300 .308
and obvious, but dont shoot .22lr through a centerfire can
I looked at that option, but maybe I should have included a bit more detail in my first post. I am looking for as light as possible for a Run n Gun carbine. The Ultra Gen 2 5 & 7 are easily the lightest cans at 6 & 8 oz., and the 5 is available right now. The Dominus CB is 9.6oz, which I could probably live with that extra , if anyone had them available. Anything else, including the Dominus SR, jumps to a minimum of 12.5oz.
Run n Gun as in centerfire biathlon. Run 5k (3.3 miles) or sometimes longer with a pistol and carbine, carrying all your ammo and equipment. Weight is a big deal, as you are carrying everything the entire competition. Most use an AR carbine, as do I.
How many shots in your string of fire?
How long between strings?
Distances to targets?
Do you have to run a suppressor? More weight... more carbon in an AR, back pressure, longer and less wieldy, (I've never done biathlon so excuse my ignorance)
How long between strings?
Distances to targets?
Do you have to run a suppressor? More weight... more carbon in an AR, back pressure, longer and less wieldy, (I've never done biathlon so excuse my ignorance)
I have an Ultra 7 .223 can (with the TBAC brake mount) and I shoot it ONLY on semi's. In fact I switch it across 3 guns - a JP barreled precision AR-15 (MK12 Mod 0 clone), a SCAR 16 10.5' SBR and an LMT piston 12" SBR. Function in all is flawless with the can. I've never had any issues whatsoever and I usually shoot all three guns 99% of the time suppressed. Accuracy with the precision AR with the Ultra 7 can is great. Of course any can is going to heat up if you're doing mag dumps. But I don't notice any real issues if I'm just shooting normally. I've run a couple of full mags shooting at steel targets at a fairly moderate rapid fire pace and had no issues with accuracy or function.
I also have an Ultra 9 .30 can that I use on 4 different rifles (all with the TBAC brake mounts). 2 bolt guns (a .308 and a .260 Rem AI-AT) and 2 semis (.300BO AR and a .260Rem AR-10). Again function and accuracy is exceptional with the can on.
The one thing I really like about using the TBAC brake mounts is the accuracy is very repeatable when you take a can on and off. My return to zero after I put the can back on after using it on another gun is pretty much spot on. And the brakes themselves are excellent by tehmeselves when not running the can - which I do when I'm shooting in a comp. It's the best of both worlds.
I personally would not buy any other suppressor based on my experience with TB.
Rifle stages can vary widely. You can have anywhere from a single shot, up to maybe 20-30 in rare instances, though it seems maybe 10-15 is usually the max in a single stage. Stages are usually no more than 90 seconds. A year ago, I was seeing matches calling for as many as 100 rounds minimum, but now round counts are being reduced due to ammo shortages. Most are calling for 40-60 rifle rounds for the entire match. The fastest runners are doing a match in the 45-50 minute zone, depending on the particular match. So you are looking at a rate of fire around 1-2 rounds per minute across the entirety of the event.
Distances can be from 7-600yds. Though most of them don't go much over about 350yds. It really depends on the limits of the particular facility. Usually the longer distances are shot at 66-100% silhouettes.
A suppressor is not required, and most don't run one. But some do use them. However, ear protection must be carried and kept up with, so that is a consideration that may give an advantage to someone with a can.
The extra weight is a concern. So is the extra length, since there are obstacles to go over, under, and around. This is why the Ultra 5 looks so appealing to me. It only adds about 6oz and about 4-ish inches to the overall length. The question is whether or not the difference in recoil management, and the need to not carry full size ear-pro, is worth the weight.
BTW: I have not shot my first match yet either. But I am looking to get a suppressor on the way, considering the length of time involved.
This is good first-hand information. What have you done with tuning the gas on the various rifles, any adjustable gas blocks, etc?
To kind of ask the same question someone else already threw your way, have you done anything to try and mitigate the overgassing? Or did you just decide that, no more than you shoot it, you could live with the overgassing and just clean it more?
I have a couple of ARs that are so overgassed without a can, I can't imagine how dirty they would run with a can.
If it's a 223 you can use a bolt carrier that is gas adjustable. Bootleg makes 1. Strike makes an adjustable gas block that can be adjusted with a bullet tip or by hand that I really like. Neither are cheap but they work well. Right now there is nothing cheap anyway.
A couple of things...... the earpro issue is moot unless everyone else is also shooting suppressed. Shooting a can during a match when the guy next to you is shooting a 300Win mag with a Brake completely defeats any advantage of the earpro issue. 2nd, IF you are running a brake on your rifle - you have a significant advantage in speed and accuracy because you can stay on target and reacquire (or likely never have to) the target for quick follow up shots. When on the clock, every second counts. I find the recoils difference with running the TBAC brake w/o the can has significantly less recoil than with the can. Particularly on a large frame gas gun.
The SCAR has a switch block and the two gas precision guns have a JP detent adjustable gas block that allows me to tune the gun. I also run the VMOS (variable mass bolt carrier) and silent captured spring (SCS) on both the .223 and the .260 gas gun, so that helps the tuning tremendously of the gas guns with the can on. I tend to turn the gas way down when running suppressed just enough to allow it to cycle. The other two ARs (the LMT piston and KAC 300BO) are not adjustable - but they function flawlessly with and without the can. Probably overgassed a bit, but not much I can do about that.
There is only one shooter at a stage at a time. Shooting pistol is going to need ear pro, but you can get away with just plugs for that. Ear safe with a rifle requires more protection than just plugs unsuppressed. Even if you are waiting on someone in front of you shooting rifle you will be far enough behind them that plugs will be good enough.
Using brakes has its problems, though some do run them. You can about count on at least one shot during the event that will require you to lay on the ground, turn the rifle 90 degrees and shoot under something. If you have a brake, you are going to get a face full of dirt and grass when that brake vents the blast straight into the ground.
