Just got to try out my trash panda that is in jail. Shot it on my noveske n4 pdw "Ghetto Blaster" in 300 blackout. I was satisfied with its suppression with subsonic ammo but quickly realized it was not going to be my choice for supersonic .308. So I'm in the market for my next can for precision work. Has anyone ran the Thunder Chicken and the Ultra 9 side by side and what are your opinions?
Suppressors Thunder Chicken vs Ultra 9 on .308
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All I have ever used is Thunderbeast. They are the gold standard for precision rifle suppressors for a reason. As an added bonus, I don’t have to put up with any silly pre-pubescent millennial focused PR hype from the owner of the company. Can’t speak for the competitors cans, but I’ve never had any reason to try anything other than a TBAC.
Curious why you say q over TBAC on the gas gun. Both ti, and an adjustable gas block addresses any backpressure issues.
From what i understand, gas coming back due to a suppressor is coming back through the chamber as much or more as through the gas tube. An adjustable gas block won't fix gas coming back through the chamber, and may actually make it worse. (Unless you run superlative arms bleed off gas blocks)
With that being said, Q runs pretty large bore diameters in their cans. This sacrifices some sound suppression, but lets more gas escape from the muzzle as opposed to the chamber. Combined with the large diameter of the cans themselves, that leads to less back pressure.
That's my understanding. I could be wrong. I have a thunder chicken and i use superlative arms bleed off gas blocks. Once tuned, there is little to no gas coming back my way. Granted, i don't do mag dumps and push everything to the ragged edge, but during normal strings of fire, the gas is a non-issue with my setup.
That doesn't mean a TBAC would perform any differently with the same setup. I don't have any experience with them, so i can't say.
I still think it would make a difference with or without an adjustable gas block. The same volume of gas is going to be produced no matter what. That gas is going to go the path of least resistance. With a standard gas block, more will go through the gas tube. With a "normal" adjustable gas block, less will go through the gas tube, but more will be behind the bullet until either the bolt unlocks or the bullet leaves the muzzle. In either case, the quicker you can lower the pressure in the suppressor, the less gas will escape from the chamber. With the superlative set to bleed off, excess gas is leaked which lowers pressure behind the bullet.
In practice, it may all happen so fast that you can't tell the difference. I don't know... if you have the right buffer, your bolt should stay locked long enough to let the gas out the muzzle first. Like you said, at that point, it doesn't matter whether it's a superlative or any other adjustable gas block. The minimum amount of gas was used through the gas tube to cycle the action, and the rest went out the front. But i don't know how quickly pressure in the bore and suppressor returns to atmospheric pressure. If the bolt unlocks before the bore and suppressor pressure equals zero, some gas is coming back out of the chamber.
I may try running my superlative gas blocks set to restrict instead of to bleed off to see if i can even tell a difference.
In practice, it may all happen so fast that you can't tell the difference. I don't know... if you have the right buffer, your bolt should stay locked long enough to let the gas out the muzzle first. Like you said, at that point, it doesn't matter whether it's a superlative or any other adjustable gas block. The minimum amount of gas was used through the gas tube to cycle the action, and the rest went out the front. But i don't know how quickly pressure in the bore and suppressor returns to atmospheric pressure. If the bolt unlocks before the bore and suppressor pressure equals zero, some gas is coming back out of the chamber.
I may try running my superlative gas blocks set to restrict instead of to bleed off to see if i can even tell a difference.
So what exactly are the q cans obtaining from all this extra girth. Both the ultra and the chicken are within an inch of each other in length, but the chicken having more volume from the diameter. The consensus seems to point toward the ultra being the quieter of the two. This only leaves a design difference in baffling. I have seen a cross section of the q cans but not tbacs; so i cannot comment on their internals.
You are both on the right track, but here is the missing part: delayed unlock. The AGB delays the unlocking of the chamber, letting it get to a lower pressure before uncorking. A lower back pressure can still matters to a point, because you can only delay the unlock so much with an AGB. So in an extreme example comparing say an OSS (which I don't recommend) to an old SiCo Saker, both with an AGB. The OSS chamber will be at lower pressure when it unlocks, even though both are unlocking later than they otherwise would without an AGB. While the AGB will make the Saker a lot more bearable and a lot quieter to the shooter than otherwise, the OSS will still be at lower chamber pressure when it unlocks and will therefore be a bit less gassy and quieter to the shooter. The same is true of the Q, which has the additional advantage of extra volume and isn't heavy as fuck and loud as fuck at the muzzle like the OSS (although the Q isn't quite as low back pressure). Suppressed nation has some interesting videos showing just how much quieter AGBs make ARs, it is in the 3-6db range with traditional cans, but the lower back pressure designs still are a little ahead (although you can go too far with that like OSS did).
That is why I made the recommendation I did. Now Superlatve vs. other blocks there hasn't been enough testing but supposedly the SA will be a bit quieter.
That is why I made the recommendation I did. Now Superlatve vs. other blocks there hasn't been enough testing but supposedly the SA will be a bit quieter.
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