Tikka T3 research

[landtoy80]

Re: Tikka T3 research

I like the idea of a 260 Rem barrel import but for the $$$ wouldn't a quality aftermarket or match grade longer barrel cost about the same? Or is the quality of the 260 Rem Tikka factory barrel as good or better than an after market barrel?

 

[wes1]

Re: Tikka T3 research

I am in for the Tactical Bottom metal as long as it takes the AI 223 mags.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: landtoy80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the idea of a 260 Rem barrel import but for the $$$ wouldn't a quality aftermarket or match grade longer barrel cost about the same? Or is the quality of the 260 Rem Tikka factory barrel as good or better than an after market barrel?
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Tikka factory barrels are very good. Are they are good as a quality match grade barrel, NO.

But here is the rub. Tikka Varmints sell for around $800. US. Sure I can buy one in 308, throw the factory barrel away (or sell it), and invest $700.-$800 or so in a new Kreiger barrel(that figure includes, barrel, fitting, installing chambering, and trueing). I've just doubled my costs. And I still have the factory Tikka stock, plastic mag, trigger guard, bolt shroud.

That's why so many get a Remington 700, and just rebuild it. Cost of a factory Tikka 260 is the driver. If I can buy it in the $800. range, and put another $800. into stock, and DBM system, and other upgrades, I've invested $1600. and saved the cost of a new match barrel.

I can take any good Remington action, and make a 260 rem tactical shooter out of it for $2400. or so (less bases, rings and optics). There is no good reason to spend that same amount to get a Tikka tactical shooter. Is it inherently better than the custom Remington? I don't think so.

Thats why a factory HB 260 Tikka is so attractive, with it can get reasonably accurate 260, for less money than a custom Remington, in a caliber Remington does not offer us.

And that's the attraction, and why a rebarreled Tikka holds no attraction for me. Only the relatively cheap factory Tikka can possibly deliver, at the price I'm willing to pay.

Thanks,

Bob

 

[Peepaw]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: landtoy80</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the idea of a 260 Rem barrel import but for the $$$ wouldn't a quality aftermarket or match grade longer barrel cost about the same? Or is the quality of the 260 Rem Tikka factory barrel as good or better than an after market barrel?
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Tikka factory barrels are very good. Are they are good as a quality match grade barrel, NO.

But here is the rub. Tikka Varmints sell for around $800. US. Sure I can buy one in 308, throw the factory barrel away (or sell it), and invest $700.-$800 or so in a new Kreiger barrel(that figure includes, barrel, fitting, installing chambering, and trueing). I've just doubled my costs. And I still have the factory Tikka stock, plastic mag, trigger guard, bolt shroud.

That's why so many get a Remington 700, and just rebuild it. Cost of a factory Tikka 260 is the driver. If I can buy it in the $800. range, and put another $800. into stock, and DBM system, and other upgrades, I've invested $1600. and saved the cost of a new match barrel.

I can take any good Remington action, and make a 260 rem tactical shooter out of it for $2400. or so (less bases, rings and optics). There is no good reason to spend that same amount to get a Tikka tactical shooter. Is it inherently better than the custom Remington? I don't think so.

Thats why a factory HB 260 Tikka is so attractive, with it can get reasonably accurate 260, for less money than a custom Remington, in a caliber Remington does not offer us.

And that's the attraction, and why a rebarreled Tikka holds no attraction for me. Only the relatively cheap factory Tikka can possibly deliver, at the price I'm willing to pay.

Thanks,

Bob



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Hey Bob...bare with me for a few, since I am a rookie @ these parts...but what is teh attraction to a 260? Again, it might be a completely "idiotic" question on my part (even though, to me, the ONLY stupid question, is the one that goes unasked), but since I have no clue (and hence, not afraid to admit it) would like to know. Reason I am asking is, you mentioned spending @ $2500 (if I read that correct, which I might not have) for a 260, and would like to know the reason in spending that kind of money on that rifle???

 

[Peepaw]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wes1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am in for the Tactical Bottom metal as long as it takes the AI 223 mags.

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I like this rifle...very nice.

 

[Matthais_31]

Re: Tikka T3 research

The attraction of the .260, and many of the 6.5mm calibres, is the high BC of the bullets. The 139g .260 Scenar has a BC of around .615 (compared to 0.505 for the 155g Scenar in .308) and can be launched faster than many of its .308 counterparts. It also has less recoil, whilst providing good barrel life. All of these features make it a very attractive round for those wishing to shoot out to longer distances.

Matthais_31

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Hey Bob...bare with me for a few, since I am a rookie @ these parts...but what is teh attraction to a 260? Again, it might be a completely "idiotic" question on my part (even though, to me, the ONLY stupid question, is the one that goes unasked), but since I have no clue (and hence, not afraid to admit it) would like to know. Reason I am asking is, you mentioned spending @ $2500 (if I read that correct, which I might not have) for a 260, and would like to know the reason in spending that kind of money on that rifle???</span></span>

Peepaw,

That's a good question. The 260 Remington, with a 140 grain bullet, has a similar ballistic profile as a 300 Win Mag. And it does so without the recoil, muzzle blast,and overall cost, of a magnum.

I find that very attractive. The problem is Remington does not see fit to produce a factory SPS, LTR, XCR, PSS, Varmint or heavy barreled anything in 260 Remington.

The only quality factory heavy barreled 260 Rem's come from Tikka. And Beretta will not import them into to the US.

So how do you get a heavy barreled 260 remington. Well you build it.

To build a tactical 260, you mix the following ingredients:

Rem 700 SPS $550.
Custom match barrel $295.
5R rifling, just because: $30.
Chambering, Threading and installing: $270.
Since the barrel is off, you might as well true the action for optimum accuracy, so Level II trueing: $175.
Manners Stock, MCS-GAT: $455.
MCS-Mini Chassis, which includes a DBM system, and does not require you to have your rifle Bedded, and takes AICS mags: $360
3 sling swivel studs: $19.50

Now your at $2145. But you've got a silver stainless barrel, and a black action, so it might not look pretty, so dump another $160 into it for full Cerakoting, and your at $2305.

And since you already spent, $2305. you might as well go whole hog, and have your stock painted with your favorite camo, like a nifty 5 color Flectarn (my personal fav..) for a tiddy $195. from Manners when your order your stock.

By golly that's $2500. right on the nose. And that's how you turn a $550 factory Rem 308, into a $2500. 260 Rem, that's eye catching candy, and functional to boot.

Does everybody need as $2500. 260 rem? Wanting and needing are two different things. I want a 260 rem, but I also don't want to spend $2500. to get there. I also don't want a Savage, as I have my standards to uphold. Now a Savage can but turned into a accurate and function rifle.

But like the slightly over-weight and not so pretty girl that might make someone a great wife, I like to take my chances on a more racer model.

IMHO and YMMV,

Bob

 

[Peepaw]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matthais31</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The attraction of the .260, and many of the 6.5mm calibres, is the high BC of the bullets. The 139g .260 Scenar has a BC of around .615 (compared to 0.505 for the 155g Scenar in .308) and can be launched faster than many of its .308 counterparts. It also has less recoil, whilst providing good barrel life. All of these features make it a very attractive round for those wishing to shoot out to longer distances.

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Ah, cool...did not know that...AT ALL! In fact, to sound even more naive, did not know that a smaller cal bullet could travel faster than a larger cal bullet (like explained above) Is it because in teh diameter of teh bullet, is the reason being? The .260 being a smaller bullet in diameter, facing less resistance is why?

Since I am so new to all of this, and since I am a car guy, I try and use car analogy's...

take a car at bonneville salt flats, and take a truck or say a 55 Chevy with aerodynamics of a brick, takes ALOT more power to travel the same speed then say a a Corvette or a streamliner...again because of beter aero's, and hence, same reason for teh .260/.308 comparsion? And is also reason why less recoil, because it is taken less "power" to accelerate the smaller bullet?

 

[Peepaw]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Hey Bob...bare with me for a few, since I am a rookie @ these parts...but what is teh attraction to a 260? Again, it might be a completely "idiotic" question on my part (even though, to me, the ONLY stupid question, is the one that goes unasked), but since I have no clue (and hence, not afraid to admit it) would like to know. Reason I am asking is, you mentioned spending @ $2500 (if I read that correct, which I might not have) for a 260, and would like to know the reason in spending that kind of money on that rifle???</span></span>

Peepaw,

That's a good question. The 260 Remington, with a 140 grain bullet, has a similar ballistic profile as a 300 Win Mag. And it does so without the recoil, muzzle blast,and overall cost, of a magnum.

I find that very attractive. The problem is Remington does not see fit to produce a factory SPS, LTR, XCR, PSS, Varmint or heavy barreled anything in 260 Remington.

The only quality factory heavy barreled 260 Rem's come from Tikka. And Beretta will not import them into to the US.

So how do you get a heavy barreled 260 remington. Well you build it.

To build a tactical 260, you mix the following ingredients:

Rem 700 SPS $550.
Custom match barrel $295.
5R rifling, just because: $30.
Chambering, Threading and installing: $270.
Since the barrel is off, you might as well true the action for optimum accuracy, so Level II trueing: $175.
Manners Stock, MCS-GAT: $455.
MCS-Mini Chassis, which includes a DBM system, and does not require you to have your rifle Bedded, and takes AICS mags: $360
3 sling swivel studs: $19.50

Now your at $2145. But you've got a silver stainless barrel, and a black action, so it might not look pretty, so dump another $160 into it for full Cerakoting, and your at $2305.

And since you already spent, $2305. you might as well go whole hog, and have your stock painted with your favorite camo, like a nifty 5 color Flectarn (my personal fav..) for a tiddy $195. from Manners when your order your stock.

By golly that's $2500. right on the nose. And that's how you turn a $550 factory Rem 308, into a $2500. 260 Rem, that's eye catching candy, and functional to boot.

Does everybody need as $2500. 260 rem? Wanting and needing are two different things. I want a 260 rem, but I also don't want to spend $2500. to get there. I also don't want a Savage, as I have my standards to uphold. Now a Savage can but turned into a accurate and function rifle.

But like the slightly over-weight and not so pretty girl that might make someone a great wife, I like to take my chances on a more racer model.

IMHO and YMMV,

Bob




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LMAO!!! Thanks Bob for teh clarification. Again, me being a rookie at all of this, was jus twondering why...and since I did not know that a 260 can be so "potent" was wondering why all teh fuss. But, with you explanation (as well as the technical info shared above your post, which I can't see his name right now as I type this) I can see why...makes sense to me.
So, that begs teh question then....WHY buy a .308? because of teh barrel? That it is a heavy barrel more specific? Granted, I figure it simply has to do with the bigger bullet doing more "damage" though as well, right? Leaving that bigger "hole"?

Thanks for putting up with the rookie


Yes, my "the" comes out alot of times, "teh"...just poor typing is all, sorry.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Peepaw,

Why buy a .308? Another good question. Simply put, a 308 Winy is never a mistake. It will shoot very well out to 1000 yds. It is available from the factory in many different configurations, and many different price points. Good 308 bullets are everywhere. Good 308 Brass can be had, and fairly cheap. Great factory ammo exists in copious quantities for the 308 Win.

The 260 on the other hand, does not come cheap. No factory HB 260's exist in the US, for moderate prices. Brass is expensive, and harder to find. Good 6.5 bullets are around, but your choices are a bit more limited. The is some great 260 factory ammo, but you will pay dearly for it, and it's a bit harder to find, and again your choices are more limited.

A 260 is a reloaders dream, as is the 308. But if you don't reload, the 260 becomes harder to feed, even if you do, it's a bit harder in $ to keep feed.

Alot of us learned to drive in a plain 4 door Chevy. A 260 is more like a Corvette.

So the 308 is the entry level caliber by default. Just like you first car is usually more like the plain Chevy, and not a Corvette.

A 260 has lots of performance, but performance has a price. A 308 will do it all, for less.......and less is sometimes more.

Bob

 

[steve123]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Dang Peepaw,I should have known to talk to you in car language,LOL

Good job explaining Bob !

Just for your info.....6.5x55 and 260 rem are almost identical ballisticly.That's why I've been pushing 6.5x55.Start off with a Corvette so you won't have to turbo charge a slow,"boring but adequate cavalier".........

Steve

 

[kwild]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Why are you guys now discussing a remington rifle in the tikka research thread? Start a new one and try not to hijack Petes thread anymore then it has already. HOWEVER, thanks for answering the 260 question. I always wondered the same thing.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Tikka T3 research

kwild,

Yes, your right, we did get side tracked a bit, but in a weird way, I'm really drumming up the awareness and demand for a 260 Rem Tikka, customized by Roedale.

Peepaw's questions allowed me to compare and contrast a fully custom Rem 700 260 (and it's associated costs), and a stock Tikka t3 in 260, that is then customized by Roedale.

I don't know if Pete can do it, but raising awareness, and possibly demand, might make it a more attractive proposition for him.

So although the comments got off track, my motives were not completely altruistic. I really want a 260 Tikka Varmint, with furniture and enhancements by Roedale......Please.....

Thanks,

Bob

 

[landtoy80]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Well, I don't want or like the Rem 700. I want a Tikka T3 260. If it costs me $2500 to get one built the way i want, so be it. I was looking into the Tikka and others for a 260 build but with Pete's upgrades, I am sold on the Tikka. My son as a Tikka T3 SS 30-06 and its smooth as glass. I switched to shooting left hand and luck be it, the left hand Tikka sells is SS, just as I wanted.

When I started looking for a 30-06 for my son and replacement for my right hand Vanguard VGX 30-06, the only action I liked was the Tikka T3 and the Vanguard/Howa. And luck be it again, they are inexpensive too...until you convert them to 260 Rem.

With all the upgrades from Pete, would I be better to wait to have a LEFT HAND Tikka built until I have all the LEFT HAND (hint, hint) parts in hand or will the parts swap out with out shipping the rifle back to my gun smith across the country?

 

[Peepaw]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Peepaw,

Why buy a .308? Another good question. Simply put, a 308 Winy is never a mistake. It will shoot very well out to 1000 yds. It is available from the factory in many different configurations, and many different price points. Good 308 bullets are everywhere. Good 308 Brass can be had, and fairly cheap. Great factory ammo exists in copious quantities for the 308 Win.

The 260 on the other hand, does not come cheap. No factory HB 260's exist in the US, for moderate prices. Brass is expensive, and harder to find. Good 6.5 bullets are around, but your choices are a bit more limited. The is some great 260 factory ammo, but you will pay dearly for it, and it's a bit harder to find, and again your choices are more limited.

A 260 is a reloaders dream, as is the 308. But if you don't reload, the 260 becomes harder to feed, even if you do, it's a bit harder in $ to keep feed.

Alot of us learned to drive in a plain 4 door Chevy. A 260 is more like a Corvette.

So the 308 is the entry level caliber by default. Just like you first car is usually more like the plain Chevy, and not a Corvette.

A 260 has lots of performance, but performance has a price. A 308 will do it all, for less.......and less is sometimes more.

Bob

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Now we are getting somewhere (VERY SORRY TO HIJACK OP THOUGH....whoops) BUt, I guess you coudl say I am "keeping the thread alive???" or at teh very least, we ARE talking about info that pertains to the original thread, in a very small way...

OK, understand about the .308 vs .260 now, thanks..makes ALOT more sense to me.
Well, right now, NO, am not reloading. Eventually I see myself reloading, yes...but one thing at a time. I DID find a 1000 yard range close to my house (bout 30-40 minutes is all)...was thinking was heading 1 hour+ to a range, until i found this one.

 

[Peepaw]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dang Peepaw,I should have known to talk to you in car language,LOL

Good job expalining Bob !

Just for your info.....6.5x55 and 260 rem are almost identical ballisticly.That's why I've been pushing 6.5x55.Start off with a Corvette so you won't have to turbo charge a slow,"boring but adequate cavalier".........

Steve

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LMAO!! Yep, start talking cars, and I can understand more clearly. Well, it IS all starting to add up for me, and hence, getting closer to making that purchase. I do think (probaly 90% chance) that I am sticking with the .308 though. I have been to my local Wal Mart (1 mile away) and checked thier shelves, plenty of .308 cartridges on teh shelf. While its not THAt big of a deal, but is nice knowing that basically anystore I walk into, will probaly have .308 onteh shelf. And besides, I also know that I am not needing anything "faster" than a .308 at this time anyways. Now, i understand the "growing into" it, and teh "buying once" theory, but still feel that the .308 will suit my needs and what I am trying to accomplish with THIS rifle, will be more than adequate.

Now, later on down the road....I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

 

[Peepaw]

Re: Tikka T3 research

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why are you guys now discussing a remington rifle in the tikka research thread? Start a new one and try not to hijack Petes thread anymore then it has already. HOWEVER, thanks for answering the 260 question. I always wondered the same thing. </div></div>


Yes, sorry for hijack. Blame the rookie (me) We can get back on topic and i will start my own thread. Again, sorry.

 

[gergely]

Re: Tikka T3 research

sure would like to see it. I agree with the comment about increasing aol. I love the action, barrel, trigger, but would like to dump the plastic shroud, trigger guard and magazine. I'm reluctant to put $500 in a manners stock unless I can dump the weak links in the t3.

 

[NIMROD777]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Pete

Is there any news on the replacement mag system & bolt handles going on your web site?

 

[kwild]

Re: Tikka T3 research

After getting my 700p in 338 lapua is will be staying with the stock setup on my tikkas. After using the AI type metal magazines the tikka system is much better. It is smooth and quiet. The metal mags are very clumsy, very loud and not the greatest or easiest to load in the rifle. I also know that if I drop a mag, especially loaded, the mag wont dent. And I doubt it would break.

I think you should still develop a system Pete but these are things I have found with Remingtons new system which are very similar to what is out there now. The shroud I want to replace as soon as you have them ready.

 

[NIMROD777]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Hay Pete you there <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NIMROD777</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pete

Is there any news on the replacement mag system & bolt handles going on your web site?

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[Eagle_Eye]

Re: Tikka T3 research

can i order bottom metal and mag's for the .300 WM T3 yet?

 

[NIMROD777]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Pete
whats the news on your replacement bits???<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NIMROD777</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hay Pete you there <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NIMROD777</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pete

Is there any news on the replacement mag system & bolt handles going on your web site?

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[Fx1]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Pete maybe you need to market these parts better in the UK since tikka is popular here.

Also the price seems too high.

i got a billet trigger guard, bolt handle and picatinny rail made up for £100 inc shipping from USA for my sako quad from rimfire technologies.

atm your bolt handle is 40 euros compared to a similar one for 20$ and 75 euros for the shroud totals £100 which is a lot for two tiny parts.

id really be interested in Tikka parts if the price was right. if its going to cost this much though ill just pony up for the Sako 85 problem solved.

 

[jrob300]

Re: Tikka T3 research

Hey Pete,

You may or may not be aware of what others are offering...


http://www.hss.net.au/product_info.php?cPath=63&products_id=763

John

 

[Fx1]

Re: Tikka T3 research

My god! £1075 for a £550 AICS stock!!!!!

 

[bignada]

Re: Tikka T3 research

If you want a .260rem in a Tikka, look at MT Guns. Mac Tilton does match barrels in .260 rem and 6XC; but for the Tikka 595 and 695 actions...

No, it ain't a T3; it's much better and all for about $1500