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View attachment 7916360I have a Tika T3 in 300 WSM
Have only put 30 rounds through it.
I’m not near the shooter as those in this audience but I will learn to be. I have a Vortex Diamondback 6X24X50 on it with a 10 MOA Rail.
It’s a shoulder Canon.
With a limb saver butt pad after 30 rounds I was DONE!
I figure it’s good to learn on before I spend bigger $$$
It was not sarcasm at all...Not sure of this is sarcasm. Lol. I haven't made it thru all 6 pages of responses yet.
I didn't actually check before posting that, I was going off of memory.
I pulled up my notes. With factory hornady I'm getting 2606 fps in the Tikka. I am getting 2751 in the waypoint. So I'm actually getting 145 fps difference, not 170. Should have checked earlier.
@MobyJust as a suggestion, that rifle is probably not a good setup to "learn on".
Light rifle with a heavy recoiling cartridge might lead you to develop bad habits that will take work to unlearn.
That is a great hunting rifle, but if you want to do learning and shooting longer strings, I'd suggest you get something more in the .308 / 6.5cm / .243 or something in that class that you can enjoyably shoot at the range and put 20 to 40 rounds in the target without feeling beat up.
I was originally looking at a Christensen arms, but after messing with the waypoint and hearing horror stories of some warranty/ customer service issues, I figured I would give the waypoint a chance. I'm glad I did. They announced multiple caliber options but originally only released the 6.5 creedmoor. I loved it so much that I just had to have one in 308. But I couldn't find one anywhere. So I decided to build a 308 as similar as I could. For my build I used a:It was not sarcasm at all...
The waypoint is a viable entry.. interesting, and well....I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet...
I'm re-intrigued...
Sound the Charge.
Seekins is another yet to be mentioned...I have no direct experience with them....Seekins HIT is under 2k also. Quick change barrel. Cheap replaceable bolt head. Cheap prefits from the factory. Flat bottom action because that apparently matters to some people.
Absolutely. I've heard good things about these rifles. I have no personal experience with this gun. But i do with many of their other products and they are top notch!Seekins is another yet to be mentioned...I have no direct experience with them....
Yeah the Waypoints are good looking rifles...but I don't think they're available in left-handed... If so, I would have been more interested in them, since their initial release...you know, for diversity and all... And I've always liked the name... To be honest, I still just can't believe no one has brought this up yet... And you know what, I think they guarantee 1/2 out the box too, I COULD BE WRONG about that... Maybe it was .75...? At any rate...,I was originally looking at a Christensen arms, but after messing with the waypoint and hearing horror stories of some warranty/ customer service issues, I figured I would give the waypoint a chance. I'm glad I did. They announced multiple caliber options but originally only released the 6.5 creedmoor. I loved it so much that I just had to have one in 308. But I couldn't find one anywhere. So I decided to build a 308 as similar as I could. For my build I used a:
defiance action $1,000
Prefered barrel blanks Carbon fiber wrapped barrel $830
Grayboe Phoenix stockwith M5 DBM: $886
Triggertech special trigger: $193
So for a base rifle, without optic like you would get an out of box waypoint... I paid $2,909 and that doesn't include all the shipping on parts, wait times, etc.
I forgot to mention earlier that the waypoint already comes with a Triggertech trigger from the factory.
So yeah, for a factory gun, it's expensive. But I can't build a rifle like it for cheaper or even anywhere near the same price.
Waypoint is in the center. My build is by itself.
Looks like the HIT went up...they start at 2100Seekins HIT is under 2k also. Quick change barrel. Cheap replaceable bolt head. Cheap prefits from the factory. Flat bottom action because that apparently matters to some people.
Looks like the HIT went up...they start at 2100
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I have 3 of them. I was a long time 308 hold out. I spent alot of time behind 7.62 and thought it was one of the best cartridges. After shooting out the barrel in my M24 after 16,000 rounds, I sent it to Josh Kuntz at Patriot Valley Arms for a rebarrel. He asked if I was interested in 6.5 I respectfully told him no, that I wanted to keep my M24 as correct as possible.Yeah the Waypoints are good looking rifles...but I don't think they're available in left-handed... If so, I would have been more interested in them, since their initial release...you know, for diversity and all... And I've always liked the name... To be honest, I still just can't believe no one has brought this up yet... And you know what, I think they guarantee 1/2 out the box too, I COULD BE WRONG about that... Maybe it was .75...? At any rate...,
I like that LaRue....I always like to see an armalite pattern rifle...as opposed to, "the other"
How do you feel about that Ruger? Honestly, I've never paid alot of attention to them...
Super nice... Yeah, I was familiar with left handed gun's website... I didn't know they were closing..I have 3 of them. I was a long time 308 hold out. I spent alot of time behind 7.62 and thought it was one of the best cartridges. After shooting out the barrel in my M24 after 16,000 rounds, I sent it to Josh Kuntz at Patriot Valley Arms for a rebarrel. He asked if I was interested in 6.5 I respectfully told him no, that I wanted to keep my M24 as correct as possible.
However, his recommendation made me start looking harder at the 6.5 CM. So, the RPR was my first step into the creedmoor world.
It is definitely a long, heavy, pig that kinda grew on me. It is relatively comfortable once set up to match your length of pull. Shoots really well. Modular enough to set its hooks into you and make you want more than what it offers. It was a really good entry drug... I mean gun, into the chassis world. In the end, my wife liked it so much that she had to have one in 6.5 cm as well. She used hers to win a "half mile challenge" shootout against a number of other local shooters and take home the win.
That then lead me into getting one in 338 lapua that I still have new in box and have never shot. I was trying to be nice to a buddy and hooked him up with magnum primers for his hunting ammo.... I didn't look before giving him a stack of primer trays and accidentally gave him every one of my magnum primers, and now I haven't been able to find any more.
If it was just 300 wm, I would throw a LR primer in and call it a day... I don't think I want to do that with 338 lapua though. I better wait till I have magnum primers before I shoot it.
I say it's a good entry gun because as good as it is, I ended up figuring out what I personally prefer in a chassis gun. For some, it's perfect as is. For other, it's not. I ended up building a rifle around a MDT ESS chassis with side folder. Similar in format to a RPR, but alot more modular as far as parts and building it to your own liking.
You mentioned being left handed. We had a gun store here in Texas called Left Handed Guns. Unfortunately they just closed permanently on Tuesday, however Rock Island Auction House has come in and is purchasing all of the firearms. I don't know when they will post them, but they are about to have hundreds of left handed firearms. It was a really neat store. I had never seen left handed .50 cals or half the stuff he had in that store. It was incredible. Just a thought.
That`s totally unacceptable. I would have tried to communicate to someone "upstairs" at Savage about that. Any executive worth his/her salt in a company that sells products to customers understands that customer service AFTER the sale will make or break that company. American consumers understand that problems can happen with ANY product. They are amazingly forgiving IF they are taken care of and their issue is taken care of in a quality fashion.I tried to make use of their customer service, and Savage told me nicely to not bother sending it in as they would likely just hold it and then ship back 4 months later without doing anything. At least they were polite in telling me to pound sand.
I like mine! T3x TAC A1 Yep it’s Left Handed and 1/2” at 200..out of the box, the wait on a custom action, good smith (not one in my area) I guess I could of waited a year to get a better put together if I could find parts…no this one eye guy probably ain’t going to shoot a mile unless I set up an a freeway somewhere lol…Well the smooth action does contribute to consistency...
And the receiver itself is definitely stiffer than a 700 action.
They do have amazing triggers...
They perform better in cold weather/extreme conditions...
Tikka realizes that the slowest minimum twist to achieve stability is the best, and does not jump on the super fast twist bandwagon... That says a lot right there, 1 - 11 is plenty enough to stabilize 200 grain in a 30 cal..., For example...
The recoil lugs, have long since been improved...so that's a non-issue...
TIKKAS HAVE THE FASTEST LOCK TIME, that you will find in a factory rifle... And it is not uncommon to achieve 0.5, from a factory Tikka...
The plastic magazines are upgradable to the metal ones...with a visit to the Beretta store.
Tikka has figured out, that it is better to put their money into a rock solid receiver/barrel/trigger system; rather than into a stock that they know is probably going to be changed out right away...
...and Tikkas are probably the most reliable push feed action on the market... certainly with some of the best extraction...
They have very decent recoil pads...
The receiver is, normally, as a group, as close to a factory blueprint as you would normally find... So much so that it really does not pay to have a Tikka receiver blueprinted after the fact...
I haven't heard from anyone about how well their rifles kill. I just spent over a month in South Africa and Mozambique with a 50-year old (used on-line) Remington .458 Win Mag from their old custom department and a 10-year old CZ African Safari 550 in.375 H&H. Shooting reloads I came back with 15 very dead big game including a Cape, a Hippo, a Leopard, and most of the biggest plains game, some in duplicate and all in trophy categories. I had no wounded or missing, when I shot it it died. One could not have asked for more from a rifle, no jams, no sticky bolts or failures to feed. My rifles always seem to take a beating in the Land Cruisers and yet perform flawlessly. If your Tikka can do that then fine but the proof is in the killing not talking how pretty or range cool they are.
There.
Come on Man, I've been dealing with savage for over 30 years and even in the lean years I've never been told that by any CS personnel.I tried to make use of their customer service, and Savage told me nicely to not bother sending it in as they would likely just hold it and then ship back 4 months later without doing anything. At least they were polite in telling me to pound sand.
I haven't heard from anyone about how well their rifles kill. I just spent over a month in South Africa and Mozambique with a 50-year old (used on-line) Remington .458 Win Mag from their old custom department and a 10-year old CZ African Safari 550 in.375 H&H. Shooting reloads I came back with 15 very dead big game including a Cape, a Hippo, a Leopard, and most of the biggest plains game, some in duplicate and all in trophy categories. I had no wounded or missing, when I shot it it died. One could not have asked for more from a rifle, no jams, no sticky bolts or failures to feed. My rifles always seem to take a beating in the Land Cruisers and yet perform flawlessly. If your Tikka can do that then fine but the proof is in the killing not talking how pretty or range cool they are.
There.
ZermattWho makes an action as smooth as a tikka for $900 bucks?
Well, I have a stock 308 Tikka stainless lite and these are the 5 shot groups I am getting at 100 metresYour the only one in the world who would take a begara over a tikka
Tikkas have one of the best factory triggers out there
Well, I have a stock 308 Tikka stainless lite and these are the 5 shot groups I am getting at 100 metresI'd much rather spend less than $500 more and get into something worth a crap.
ARC Nucleus with a prefit................
Bighorn Origin with a prefit................
Trigger Tech is the only trigger worth mentioning.............
AICS mags.
Anybody's decent bottom metal.
Lapua Brass (Finland Rocks!!)......
Rock on.
Bighorn origin 6mm ARC in a Bergara HMR Stock. Trigger Tech Primary (July 4th special).....1.5 lbs
First 50 rounds of Factory 105HPBT Horn Black.........
Avg group sub 1/2 MOA at 100yd
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Total cost to me was $1900
200 yd groups with factory ammo in 5MPH left to right
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100 yard break in groups
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ARC Nucleus 2.0
22-250 Ackley 1/8 Twist "Savage Small Shank 26".....Wilson Blank Full Bull from "Urbanrifleman"...........shout out Brad" Hell of a barrel for $270 shipped.
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This rifle cost me $1500 to put together.
Black Friday $750 Nuc..............gotta love it.
All that is so true! My Tikka has pressed in dow pins that won’t move and the rail is pressed on and then two high grade torque screws that secure it to the receiver. Shit don’t move..yes that is the factory taking a few extra steps and a few more Pennies to do it right….While there is certainly some truth to this, under this logic, you wouldn't mind mounting the wheel on your truck with some quarter inch lag bolts... So long as theyre torqued properly....
The fact of the matter is, you can apply more torque to the larger fastener...which will in turn, remain tighter for longer...theoretically... OR, be able to withstand more impact, for longer durations... Hence, not allowing your amount to become loose... And it does not take it being so loose that it giggles, only a little bit off of spec...
Could "they" produce 6-48 fasteners of a higher grade that could compete with 8-40? Yes I'm sure they could, but it would not be cost effective... If you did that you might as well just make 8-40 screws of a higher grade.. but as it is, it is more accepting to just make larger diameters screws... And believe it or not, the threading also plays a part in all of this...
Zermatt sells complete rifles for under $900 bucks? That’s news to me.Zermatt
You've obviously never hunted Africa, you haven't talked to any of the safari guides or exhibitors at Safari International's show's, and are spewing jealous ignorant bull squirt. I'll be at the January Nashville show, will you? I guess I'm on the wrong forum.
...so you admit there's a large fanbase spewing the mantra: it has to be a Tikka ... And paying those boutique prices...We get the same c**p here in the UK "it has to be a Tikka" look at the target from my "TAC A1" it makes me want to puke ! yes Tikka's are decent but they aren't that good ! A local smith who was also fed up with the hype recently posted pic's of the problems he encountered when re barrelling Tikka's mainly tenon threads and action face's being well out of true. Their mags completely suck and not every Tikka is accurate I have seen a number that struggle to make 1/2 MOA with load development. I have also seen a brand new Tikka that had to be sold as a donor rifle owing to the throat being chewed up. Under $2000.00 I wish here in Europe thanks the the European price fixing Mafia they retail at $2300.00
Hey that is pretty neat...For you lovers of all things Tikka . Great knives . Associated by name only , but a very cool Tikka .
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Ahti Tikka #9610
The Tikka, or "Woodpecker", is a neat whittling knife with a smaller blade but a full-size handle. This knife comes with a sheath that hangs from a stout strap. Item Details: Blade Length: 2 1/2" (62 mm) Blade Width: .68" Blade Thickness: .130" Handle Length: 4 1/4" Weight In Sheath: 3 oz.ragweedforgestore.com
That's a huge downside to the Tikka route... I fully agree with that... I wish someone made either a 1018, or a38 steel bottom metal for the Tikkas...OP, if you are left-handed
please know that your options with regard to a Tikka compatible chassis VERY limited
Unless you're OK with a KRG bravo, expect a slim selection with a long wait
If you're lefty, I would strongly consider an Origin lefty action for the R700 clone compatibility
Oh I fully agree.I haven't heard from anyone about how well their rifles kill. I just spent over a month in South Africa and Mozambique with a 50-year old (used on-line) Remington .458 Win Mag from their old custom department and a 10-year old CZ African Safari 550 in.375 H&H. Shooting reloads I came back with 15 very dead big game including a Cape, a Hippo, a Leopard, and most of the biggest plains game, some in duplicate and all in trophy categories. I had no wounded or missing, when I shot it it died. One could not have asked for more from a rifle, no jams, no sticky bolts or failures to feed. My rifles always seem to take a beating in the Land Cruisers and yet perform flawlessly. If your Tikka can do that then fine but the proof is in the killing not talking how pretty or range cool they are.
There.
There's my favorite jif..haha
Well I dunno... This been kind of my position all along... If a rifle performs, it performs if you have confidence in the rifle for whatever purposes, well then you have confidence... But. ... Would I be utilizing a Tikka on a super badass African hunt... I dunno...maybe... I would probably be looking more towards a custom built m98 (commercial).... And it wouldnt have to be one of the $5,000 actions....OR, I suppose a Sako wouldn't be out of line.....maybe in addition, to the m98; for different plains game...If you legit hunted all those, I'm guessing just the permits alone for the animals were north of $200,000 and that's before you get into all the rest of the travel, lodging, guide and airfare costs as well as the costs for preparing and shipping trophies and such.
It wouldn't be hard to hit $500,000 or more for a month long trip doing that. Granted you could figure out how to do it all on the cheap for a fair bit less.
So going back to this, first off folks here on this thread are mostly talking about target / range rifles and probably hunting large deer at the most.
Also considering we are talking about $1000 to $2000 rifles, this is a thread for the poors / budget conscious / value minded etc.
Big game rifles are something much different than what is being talked about here.
There is also no point pulling out some .458 win mag to hunt a 200 pound deer unless you just want to.
Also many of these suggestions are for things that will be used for target shooting / shooting sports, and having a nice older Ruger in .458 Win Mag myself, at least for me and anyone that has shot it, the agreement is this is NOT something you try shooting prone or sent a whole bunch of shots downrange with just for fun.
We are pretty much talking about very different shooting / equipment scenarios.
Same goes for the range,...or for anything else..This is such a strange take. If your rifle functions well and can place bullets in the vitals at the range you’re shooting it can kill. The brand stamped on the receiver has basically nothing to do with it.
Thats an interesting entry... I love typically like Sauer rifles... Specifically the older Sauer 200... Gorgeous.What about the Sauer 100. Under a thou. Blaser owns them
Maybe he went through other channels, or already has business/other ties to those regions... Or some type of on going permit situation somehow... Iiiii duuuuno...Do you mind then letting us know how much you spent all told for your safari?
How much were all the animal permits?
Last time I went to the Dallas Safari Club expo and spent the day talking to exhibitors, the prices for doing all the big game in Africa were crazy expensive.
I've never done it because I simply can't afford it and probably never will be able to justify the expense vs. having a comfortable retirement.
Lol. Yeah, it's a bit of a trainwreck.. but I suppose I kind of wanted that. .Being a sad bloke, I’ve read this start to finish, 5 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
However the OP was a valid question, my 2 cents:
Ive shot 3 Bergara’s 2 in 308 and 1 in 6.5cm. All three shot well and were a decent fit for me. I put one in 6.5 on my list, did a bit of shopping around and got taken by a great deal in a new Tikka Tac A1 in 6.5 cm.
lighted the trigger spring, dropped an Athlonn Ares 4.5x30x56 and a Fortmeir Bipod. Off to Bisley a couple of weeks later and after 100 yard zero we moved to 200.
I just bought a Tikka CTR in 223, dropped it in a MDT Oryx, just waiting for my next days shooting.
Ive shot one of the 308 Begara’s recently and it still shoots well, I do better with the Tac a1.
I have a Ruger that shoots less well and a Lithgow that shoots almost as good.
I don't know the model number, but left handed guns had some left handed Sauer rifles in stock before closing. I would check with Rock Island. I'm sure they are still doing inventory. I wish I knew when the rifles would be posted. I will look and see if I have pictures. I took photos of some rifles and prices last time I was there. That's one I was interested in even though it was left handed. He had a hell of a price on it and I almost bought it even though I'm right handed.Thats an interesting entry... I love typically like Sauer rifles... Specifically the older Sauer 200... Gorgeous.
I don't think the Sauer 100 is available in left hand.. at least, not with a left-handed bolt/ejection port... I don't like discriminatory practices, such as that.... Haha.
I sometimes see the Sauers' sister rifle, the Mauser M18, as low as $399... That might make a great deer rifle, or general camp rifle for some... I like the fact that they're available in 8x57IS ....a very misunderstood cartridge.
I don't have any personal experience with either of those rifles.
They are slow with factory ammo. They are throated long. A handloader can just seat the bullet out further and fill the case. Takes care of it.Tikka barrels are known to be slow, even if accurate
South of 100K US for two hunts with the same PH, 25 days boots-on-the-ground total. When you hunt on private ranches there are no permit fees (S.A.). Mozambique charges permit fees but the PH takes care of all that in the package offer far in advance. Mozambique package was specific on what was to be hunted, S.A. was many trips to different ranches (friends), first in Limpopo Provence (Thabazimbi area) and then returned after the Mozambique hunt to Mpumonga Provence again to large ranches (up to 18 thousand acres).Do you mind then letting us know how much you spent all told for your safari?
How much were all the animal permits?
Last time I went to the Dallas Safari Club expo and spent the day talking to exhibitors, the prices for doing all the big game in Africa were crazy expensive.
I've never done it because I simply can't afford it and probably never will be able to justify the expense vs. having a comfortable retirement.